Losing weight / gaining muscle - female

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  • toshie333
    toshie333 Posts: 295 Member
    so is this still correct if i want to lose body fat % and gain some muscle through weights?
    I am aiming for that lean muscular look....
  • toshie333
    toshie333 Posts: 295 Member
    Im slightly confused between weight loss & gaining muscle vs changing body composition.....

    I want to drop body fat and gain some lean muscle. is this possible how i am training?
    I thought i would lose fat anyway through heavy lifting as it requires calories to fix them once torn etc.
    Should i be dropping the fat first then building the muscle after?
    Ive heard that doing both at the same time is one of the hardest hence why im eating at a defecit. (although im not sure i trust such a big number!)

    3 sessions of HIIT x 20-25 min.

    Not sure if i should be doing 3-4 full body weight lifting sessions or split upper/lower?

    I am eating at a defecit to drop fat. apparently my TDEE is 2190 (however this is a scary number)
    BMR around 1350-1400.


    Currently weigh 132lb.
    female. 24 years. 5.4ft

    Protein is high (as in 150g a day)
    Fat is about 50g
    Carbs under 60g...
    around 1200 cals eating clean.

    Thank you all again !!!
  • 1200 calories is way too little with all that exercise. I would personally increase your calories to about 1600 which would leave you with a net of 1200-1300. You need to fuel your body properly to be able to build muscle. I am currently in Stage 6 of The New Rules of Lifting for Women and I have lost fat and built muscle while eating 1600-1800 calories a day.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Im slightly confused between weight loss & gaining muscle vs changing body composition.....

    I want to drop body fat and gain some lean muscle. is this possible how i am training?
    I thought i would lose fat anyway through heavy lifting as it requires calories to fix them once torn etc.
    Should i be dropping the fat first then building the muscle after?
    Ive heard that doing both at the same time is one of the hardest hence why im eating at a defecit. (although im not sure i trust such a big number!)

    3 sessions of HIIT x 20-25 min.

    Not sure if i should be doing 3-4 full body weight lifting sessions or split upper/lower?

    I am eating at a defecit to drop fat. apparently my TDEE is 2190 (however this is a scary number)
    BMR around 1350-1400.


    Currently weigh 132lb.
    female. 24 years. 5.4ft

    Protein is high (as in 150g a day)
    Fat is about 50g
    Carbs under 60g...
    around 1200 cals eating clean.

    Thank you all again !!!
    "Eating clean" doesn't matter. Your macronutrients and total calories are what matters when dealing with body recomposition.

    Protein and fat sound fine. There's no need to restrict your carbs so low. You need some to fuel your workouts. You won't get as strong if you can't lift as much! Your body will be just fine keeping your energy level low too, so that you're too pooped to destroy it too much.

    Dropping the fat first (while preserving muscle mass) and then building muscle after is usually the most efficient way it's done. You won't be gaining muscle on such a deficit. If you're in that much of a deficit, your body will just sacrifice that muscle tissue and not expend the energy and raw materials to repair it. This has the added "benefit" (from your body's self-preservation perspective) of lowering your BMR. More calories it can devote to protecting things like brain, heart, and other organs.

    You will gain some water if this workout routine or this level of intensity is new to you.

    The workout split won't affect your body recomp. Only losing fat will do that.

    TL;DR: workout sounds fine, macros sound fine except for carbs, eat slightly more calories (1600-1800) and have more patience.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Do you follow the recommendations mfp gave you? In my case the amount of calories where way to low. I took two weeks to find my basal metabolic rate and subtracted 500 cals. If you don't loose or gain any weight on 1700 cals the 1200 cals you chose should work just fine.
    I'm not a huge fan of low carb because I think you're losing to much strength in the process. If you don't have any negative experience with it, go ahead. As long as you consume less calories than your body needs to maintain weight you'll lose weight, no matter what you eat.
    As for your workouts, definitely keep lifting heavy. I don't know why people suddenly switch to small weights when they want to cut.
    Additionally heavy weights will definitely favor fat oxidation due to an elevated metabolism.

    EDIT: You don't even need to do HIIT, consume less calories than your body needs and you'll loose weight. If you want to eat mor however, HIIT is a good thing because it will get you "extra calories to consume". ;D

    I think you mean TDEE (total daily energy expenditure). Your BMR is your baseline caloric needs - the absolute minimum you need to eat to survive.
  • rkquade
    rkquade Posts: 17
    Check out the 6 Week Shortcut to Shred plan on Bodybuilding.com. I followed the plan pretty closely for 6 weeks and dropped bodyfat and am more defined and I never ate less than 1,800 calories a day. The plan is macro based, so sounds like the plan you are looking for to lose the fat and gain muscle.
  • Rogiefreida
    Rogiefreida Posts: 567 Member
    OP, check out Jamie Eason's Livefit trainer on Bodybuilding.com. She lays out a very specific mealplan aimed at exactly what your goals are. I started it 9 days ago along with her lifting program. Not saying you need to follow her program, but her nutrition recommendations fit the goals you've described (they're my goals as well). I find that it fits my macros perfectly and is a really good guideline for someone still learning about nutrition like myself. It's got a great 12 week lifting plan as well. Worth checking out anyhoo.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    I think you mean TDEE (total daily energy expenditure). Your BMR is your baseline caloric needs - the absolute minimum you need to eat to survive.
    Yep, we caught that on page 1.
  • This is what i am trying to do, tone up as well as losing weight.
    You gotta remember your weight will go up and down a little bit.
    Have you thought about doing these challenges that you can do?
    More protein in your diet will also help a lot too

    xx
  • mantium999
    mantium999 Posts: 1,490 Member
    To the OP, a quick question to help the folks around here give you better guidance. Per your posting history, you have been defending your choice of eating between 1200-1300 calories per day, while you are constantly being given the advice to up your calorie intake, since July of 2012. So, out of curiosity, in the last 18 months how much weight have you lost? You didn't have much to lose to begin with, so if you are not close to your target by now, maybe you need to reassess your plan rather than seeking validation of it?
  • toshie333
    toshie333 Posts: 295 Member
    To the OP, a quick question to help the folks around here give you better guidance. Per your posting history, you have been defending your choice of eating between 1200-1300 calories per day, while you are constantly being given the advice to up your calorie intake, since July of 2012. So, out of curiosity, in the last 18 months how much weight have you lost? You didn't have much to lose to begin with, so if you are not close to your target by now, maybe you need to reassess your plan rather than seeking validation of it?

    Fair point. I haven't been counting calories etc as I just used to run and luckily I've stayed pretty consistent within half a stone but I'm wanting to now add some muscle so am keep to start taking nutrition a bit more seriously.

    It's not that I'm defending the 1200-1300. Id love to eat more and not put on fat.
    as said open to advice that's why here just putting a few debates out there. It's on my because I am wanting to lose body fat that I thought I needed to create the defecit to lose fat whilst maintaining muscle to the cut down bf % to then increase muscle after??

    Thanks to everyone that's posted so far.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    To the OP, a quick question to help the folks around here give you better guidance. Per your posting history, you have been defending your choice of eating between 1200-1300 calories per day, while you are constantly being given the advice to up your calorie intake, since July of 2012. So, out of curiosity, in the last 18 months how much weight have you lost? You didn't have much to lose to begin with, so if you are not close to your target by now, maybe you need to reassess your plan rather than seeking validation of it?

    Fair point. I haven't been counting calories etc as I just used to run and luckily I've stayed pretty consistent within half a stone but I'm wanting to now add some muscle so am keep to start taking nutrition a bit more seriously.

    It's not that I'm defending the 1200-1300. Id love to eat more and not put on fat.
    as said open to advice that's why here just putting a few debates out there. It's on my because I am wanting to lose body fat that I thought I needed to create the defecit to lose fat whilst maintaining muscle to the cut down bf % to then increase muscle after??

    Thanks to everyone that's posted so far.

    you do need to be on a deficit to lose weight- but you can lose weight in fat and in muscle (this is why we recommend strength training)

    but 1200 doesn't mean the RIGHT deficit. It might be too much. for me 1200 is barely survivable- I think my BMR is like 1500- so eating 1200 is torture and I lose a lot of everything- not just fat.

    So give it a shot for a few weeks and see what happens.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    1200 calories is way too little with all that exercise. I would personally increase your calories to about 1600 which would leave you with a net of 1200-1300. You need to fuel your body properly to be able to build muscle. I am currently in Stage 6 of The New Rules of Lifting for Women and I have lost fat and built muscle while eating 1600-1800 calories a day.

    +1
  • hannah_chan
    hannah_chan Posts: 3 Member
    Why does it matter what weight you are, if at the end you look better? If you lift heavy and build muscle, you may actually end up gaining weight since you are gaining muscle - but you will look a lot better.

    Secondly, 1200 calories is WAY too low. No one should be eating at 1200 calories. What are your stats?

    Unless you're a beginner, you cant gain muscle and lose weight at the same time. Pick one goal and focus on that first.
    If you want to build muscle, figure out your TDEE and eat at a surplus of around 250cals per day on average. For women, since we build muscle so slowly it's better to slow bulk to minimize fat gains. If you're trying to lose fat (i dont suggest eating 1200 that is too low) eating at a calorie deficit is the most important thing.

    In terms of macro split, don't do it by percentages. Do it like this -
    PROTEIN : eat 1 to 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight.
    FATS: 0.45 to 0.55g of fat per pound of bodyweight
    CARBS: fill the rest of your calories with carbs.

    Focus on big lifts such as squats, deadlifts, pullups, etc. dont even bother with isolation exercises like bicep curls
  • Quieau
    Quieau Posts: 428 Member
    If you eat below your BMR, (I'm told and have read in several reputable sources), you are just hurting yourself unnecessarily. Your lowest intake should be at BMR at least to ensure that you don't have your body adapt to your lower intake and slow your burn.

    Why slow the burn and then have a cheat meal when you can have what you want in the plan without it being cheating?

    I was skeptical too. But I'm 1/3 of the way to my goal and have lost a lot, and I am following the skinny people like a scientist following the wild animals, observing their habits and prowling their diaries.

    I think you should try 1400 net, making sure you eat back your calories. Then just see what happens in one month. You have to give it more than a week or two because your body is also adjusting to exercise and other factors and water fluctuations can play in.

    Lean bodybuilders EAT here, even and especially the ladies.
  • Always_Smiling_D
    Always_Smiling_D Posts: 118 Member
    My advise to you is to forget about the losing weight and concentrate on the losing inches - cuz you might end up being very frustrated if you are lifting heavy

    I went from a size 9 -11 to a size 5 in jeans - started at 156 and only went down to 143 -- I did so on a combo of weights and cardio, if I may say so myself I looked my best. You have to realize that 5 lbs of muscle is much leaner than 5 lbs of fat (no such thing as muscle weights more than fat)

    I would recommend checking out www.bodybuilding.com - awesome information when it comes to what you are already doing

    Best of luck to you
  • Quieau
    Quieau Posts: 428 Member
    You think you are creating the greater deficit by shaving a few hundred calories off a day so that you can lose fat, but when you eat below BMR you are going to lose muscle for sure --- which lowers your BMR, lowering your calorie burn 'round the clock, 24/7.

    So by trying to shave a few hundred off on the top of your balance sheet, you are cheating yourself of calories burned round the clock, perhaps even more than you're shaving.

    Not to mention all the other hazards of a very low calorie diet (1200 is the bare minimum for someone who is not into the activities you are into).

    Why would anyone make demands of their body and then refuse it the fuel and resources it needs to fulfill those demands? That's where things go wrong, sometimes TERRIBLY wrong (with your health) before you realize it and by then it could be too late to repair. You don't think about these things as much at your age, but when your friends start dying in their 30s from things like pickling their livers with alcohol, eating very low calorie diets for years on end, taking too many over-the-counter meds, stroking out from high blood pressure ... then you start paying attention. It's your one body. Trust me when I say there is much medical science still cannot fix. I recommend that you think in terms of long term performance of this body while you can.

    /oldladyrant
  • toshie333
    toshie333 Posts: 295 Member
    Great thanks all.
    Will
    Up to 1400 bmr to start to see how I get on then look to up
    Again.
    Goal is to lose fat first then build muscle but thought by adding in heavy weights it would compliment my fat loss...
    Thought this way I would b able to get some definition whilst I lose weight.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Great thanks all.
    Will
    Up to 1400 bmr to start to see how I get on then look to up
    Again.
    Goal is to lose fat first then build muscle but thought by adding in heavy weights it would compliment my fat loss...
    Thought this way I would b able to get some definition whilst I lose weight.
    Only losing fat will accomplish this. Do not take this to mean that you should *not* do heavy weights. Heavy weights (in conjunction with *enough* calories but a smallish deficit) will help you retain muscle mass, the prime mover behind your BMR.

    The takeaway we're hoping you'll get is modest deficit, heavy weights, and a *loooot* more patience.
  • missADS1981
    missADS1981 Posts: 364 Member
    i cant imagine lifting heavy on 1200 is easy or good to gain muscle, i could be wrong.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Great thanks all.
    Will
    Up to 1400 bmr to start to see how I get on then look to up
    Again.
    Goal is to lose fat first then build muscle but thought by adding in heavy weights it would compliment my fat loss...
    Thought this way I would b able to get some definition whilst I lose weight.

    Why would you want to lose fat and then build muscle, rather than retain what you have now?

    Building muscle is extremely hard, plus with being a female, you're even further behind the 8 ball when it comes to building due to the lack of testosterone.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    i cant imagine lifting heavy on 1200 is easy or good to gain muscle, i could be wrong.

    unless you are vertically challenged and like 100 lbs with a TDEE of 1000 -no one is gaining muscle on 1200. Even your average woman (average 5'5") would be hovering around 1500 for maintenance and then 1800+ for bulk.

    That being said- you aren't going to see a lot of strength gains on 1200.. I ate at 1200 (which is below my BMR) for about 4 weeks. I ate back 50-75% of my work out calories- which put my at a grand total for the day between 1500-1800 average.... I was a hot mess. I was lifting- and I wasn't losing but 4-6 weeks I wasn't making gains- and I was slow- and clumsy.

    It's hard. You get no where fast.