Ketogenic-low carb diet??
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I think it's actually a pretty common occurrence if you frequent keto circles that people can easily drop weight, at least for a while, simply due to the satiety of the foods they're eating.
The reason for the "for a while" quick weight loss is that people are blowing out there glycogen reserves, which also happen to hold a lot of water.
It's not real weight loss, and those initial pounds will come back as soon as anything resembling a normal diet is resumed.0 -
Reddit has a really active Keto group.0
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this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
Low carb is not a fad diet. It is a great way for some people to move towards what we all desire. To feel fantastic. I can meet my macros and calorie goals by eating 4 pieces of chocolate cake and a few scoops of protein powder but that just wouldn't work for me a an individual. For me whole foods for life. Good luck to all.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
Low carb is not a fad diet. It is a great way for some people to move towards what we all desire. To feel fantastic. I can meet my macros and calorie goals by eating 4 pieces of chocolate cake and a few scoops of protein powder but that just wouldn't work for me a an individual. For me whole foods for life. Good luck to all.
Just curious, is this your belief when it comes to those talking about eating in a modest caloric deficit, while not cutting out any food groups? (IIFYM for lack of another term). If so I am thinking you don't understand where those of us that speak this way are coming from.... The vast majority of my diet consist of lean meats, veggie, fruits and whole grains but once my macro needs are met there is no extra credit to continue to eat said veggies and whatnot so instead I spend my remaining calories on those foods I like such as this evening it will be Reese's chocolate peanut butter cup ice cream. (portioned out to fit my remaining calories). None of us saying to eat the way we described mindlessly sit around eating donuts and cake all day.... Just my 2 cents.....0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
Low carb is not a fad diet. It is a great way for some people to move towards what we all desire. To feel fantastic. I can meet my macros and calorie goals by eating 4 pieces of chocolate cake and a few scoops of protein powder but that just wouldn't work for me a an individual. For me whole foods for life. Good luck to all.
I don't eat four pieces of chocolate cake a day and some protein power..I really do not know anyone who does that.
I eat about 80-90% healthy and then I fill in the rest with what I want - ice cream, pizza etc….tonight I will probably have a serving of gelato after dinner and maybe a drink, which is hardly four pieces of chocolate cake…
I said if low carb works for you great…it is just not a magical diet that is going to burn through fat…and if you can live the rest of your life by restricting carbs to 10% of your daily diet then more power to you …I will keep eating all the foods, and be happy with my progress...0 -
Seriously? If it was so "easy" and "legit" how do you think people gain weight in the first place? To each their own. Which seems to be a very difficult concept for you to grasp.
I suggest you do some reading about what the "low carb flu" is. For some people eating low calorie is torture. If it works for some people great. It doesn't work for everyone. Everyone knows that eating less and working out will get you to lose weight, but its a whole other thing to actually do it.I've done low carb/Atkins-ish for awhile and it really is what I can stick to for a long amount of time. For some reason I don't binge eat like I do when I don't eat low carb. I've tried low cal and its very difficult for me to stick with it. You may experience the "low carb flu" so don't let that stop you if it's something you seriously want to try to see if it's something for you to get to your goals. I actually have the opposite, when I eat low carb I have more energy and alertness almost right away.
Good luck! You may want to find a low carb or keto group on MFP that you can join. You also may want to find some ketone strips. (I didn't use them my first round of low carb and had a lot of success but I use them now just to see where I'm at and if I need to cut my sugar/carb intake or if I knocked myself out of ketosis)
does anyone else think that a diet that gives you a 'flu' is a good thing? I never understood why people want to torture themselves to lose weight when you can just eat in a calorie deficit and work out/move more….
Do what works for you. She will do what works for her. If she tries low carb but it doesn't seem to help her cut her calories then she can try harder to limit her cals overall. I will continue to do what works for me. I'm not torturing myself.
right. so restricting whole food groups is easy, but eating in a moderate 500 per day calorie deficit is hard….sounds legit...
people gain weight for a number of reasons …Eating in a surplus, emotional eaters, just plain old lazy, don't care about what they eat, don't count calories etc…..
Once you realize that you have come to a point where you have OVEREATEN yourself to obesity and realize that you have to make changes is when you are ready to start making sustainable long term changes. All I am saying is that once you reach that point what sounds easier to you:
Option 1 - Restrica almost all carbs to the point where you have a "carb flu" and then continue to eat like 10% carbs for the rest of your life and label said food as "bad"…then get a urine stick so that you can check your pee to make sure you are in "ketosis"…
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Option 2 - Create a 500 calorie daily deficit, hit macros, and work out more more and eat 80% healthy and 20% whatever you want (pizza, ice cream, bread, etc)…
Whatever you choose is fine with me..I am just saying that I have been doing option 2 for six years now and have had great success with it...
Option 1 for sure. But not for everyone.
LOLZ really?????0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
Low carb is not a fad diet. It is a great way for some people to move towards what we all desire. To feel fantastic. I can meet my macros and calorie goals by eating 4 pieces of chocolate cake and a few scoops of protein powder but that just wouldn't work for me a an individual. For me whole foods for life. Good luck to all.
I don't eat four pieces of chocolate cake a day and some protein power..I really do not know anyone who does that.
I eat about 80-90% healthy and then I fill in the rest with what I want - ice cream, pizza etc….tonight I will probably have a serving of gelato after dinner and maybe a drink, which is hardly four pieces of chocolate cake…
I said if low carb works for you great…it is just not a magical diet that is going to burn through fat…and if you can live the rest of your life by restricting carbs to 10% of your daily diet then more power to you …I will keep eating all the foods, and be happy with my progress...
Ok. I will revise my statement for you. I could meet my macros and calorie goals by eating mostly fruits and veggies and lean protein and a small percentage of foods such as pizza, ice cream, chips but that is just not for me as an individual. For me whole foods for life"!0 -
I've done low carb/Atkins-ish for awhile and it really is what I can stick to for a long amount of time. For some reason I don't binge eat like I do when I don't eat low carb. I've tried low cal and its very difficult for me to stick with it. You may experience the "low carb flu" so don't let that stop you if it's something you seriously want to try to see if it's something for you to get to your goals. I actually have the opposite, when I eat low carb I have more energy and alertness almost right away.
Good luck! You may want to find a low carb or keto group on MFP that you can join. You also may want to find some ketone strips. (I didn't use them my first round of low carb and had a lot of success but I use them now just to see where I'm at and if I need to cut my sugar/carb intake or if I knocked myself out of ketosis)
does anyone else think that a diet that gives you a 'flu' is a good thing? I never understood why people want to torture themselves to lose weight when you can just eat in a calorie deficit and work out/move more….
I tried carb cycling...about drove me nuts. What I hated (besides keeping up with what I could eat on certain days) was that "brain fog" feeling that I had. After two weeks I decided that any diet that left me in a "fog" was not for me.0 -
This diet is mainly used for individuals with uncontrolled epilepsy. It is started in the hospital because it is dangerous. I would not suggest this diet, what about the modified Adkins? This is also used for the same reasons and benefits but can be used safely.0
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The reason for the "for a while" quick weight loss is that people are blowing out there glycogen reserves, which also happen to hold a lot of water.
It's not real weight loss, and those initial pounds will come back as soon as anything resembling a normal diet is resumed.
Yep, all water weight, absolutely. Who knew I was a pond and not a person?
As for gaining it back, of course I will IF I go back to eating a "normal" diet. My "normal" diet gave me an extra 150 pounds - I'm done with that.0 -
Low carbs curbs you appetite I watched the bbc documentary.0
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does anyone else think that a diet that gives you a 'flu' is a good thing? I never understood why people want to torture themselves to lose weight when you can just eat in a calorie deficit and work out/move more….
^^This.
Yesterday, I had a breakfast burrito with cheese and a Smirnoff for dinner... This morning I lost a pound. Just sayin.0 -
does anyone else think that a diet that gives you a 'flu' is a good thing? I never understood why people want to torture themselves to lose weight when you can just eat in a calorie deficit and work out/move more….
^^This.
Yesterday, I had a breakfast burrito with cheese and a Smirnoff for dinner... This morning I lost a pound. Just sayin.
Yesterday, I had cheesecake pancakes for breakfast with raspberry puree and topped off my evening with a porterhouse, salad with bleu cheese and bacon, broccoli with cheese, a very tasty Merlot and a rum & DC. This morning, I was down 3/4 lb AND had a fasting blood glucose level of 89. Torture? No way, although my 10K run this morning with temps in the single digits was a bit extreme.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.0 -
A page ago, OP decided not to cut out all carbs, but to eat them in moderation because that would be a sustainable choice for her.
That seems smart to me.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.
the buthurt is strong in this one…
Just trying to offer people a more sustainable and realistic path…Life is about having options, so what matter is it to you if I provide people with an alternate path?0 -
Just make sure you have urine ketone testing sticks and are willing to test for large amounts of ketones. I was an undiagnosed T1 diabetic for months, and, because my body could not metabolize glucose, in a way, it was like I was on a ketogenic diet. Over time, the ketones built up in my body, and I went into diabetic ketoacidosis less than three months ago.
There is a risk of going into ketoacidosis with a ketogenic diet. The urine ketone sticks can help in determining when you need to get to the ER ASAP.
I did very low carb/keto for a couple of weeks there. I lost quite a bit and managed to focus on that over the physical effects that worried me a little. I asked about acidosis in the Atkins group and the risks of it and was totally torn apart for it and told I was an idiot.
Reseearching it was difficult as a lot of medical thought seems to say keto can cause acidosis but lots of research saying it cannot and actually can cure it?
Left me very confused and I upped my carbs a bit to come out of keto as just wasn't sure anymore.
I'm sorry they were rude to you. Atkins is high carb after the first two weeks and has less dealing with Ketosis.
Basically Ketosis and Ketoacidosis are two very very different things. Ketoacidosis is a very dangerous which is why the first person ended up in the ER. If you do not have diabetes you will not have anything to worry about with the Keto Diet.
As far a testing strips go (if you don't have diabetes) you only need them to verify if you are in ketosis. Even then they aren't always accurate because you might only have trace levels or you maybe using the ketones for energy (exercise) which would reduce what appears in your urine.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.
the buthurt is strong in this one…
Just trying to offer people a more sustainable and realistic path…Life is about having options, so what matter is it to you if I provide people with an alternate path?
Oh yea, I'm so butthurt by a dude-bro.....whatever.0 -
Everyone, repeat after me: "Atkins and high protein diets are NOT the same thing as Keto or high fat diets."
A ketogenic diet calls for high fat, moderate protein and very low carb consumption.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.
the buthurt is strong in this one…
Just trying to offer people a more sustainable and realistic path…Life is about having options, so what matter is it to you if I provide people with an alternate path?
Oh yea, I'm so butthurt by a dude-bro.....whatever.
no worries, I will keep offering people an alternate path to your disdain
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this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.
it's funny that you consider keto/paleo/etc (something that tells you exactly what you can and can't eat) equivalent to atheists whereas someone saying everything goes / do what you want / in moderation you can have everything is the evangelical ... early morning giggles are the best :laugh:0 -
...You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out...
While I completely, 100% agree with this statement, I have to ask... do you really think this is something that hasn't been considered previously?
I mean, the whole point of a ketogenic diet is that you can maintain a calorie deficit while maintaining satiety by setting the target macro for carbs to be as low as possible, and your response is that since you don't experience satiety problems with high carb diets, nobody does? Your advice consists entirely of "eat less, move more," which is exactly square one of any sort weight loss/health improvement regiment.
Obviously, "eat less, move more" is all you really need to lose weight. So why would anyone choose anything beyond that basic, common sense solution? You said yourself that abstaining from entire swaths of types of food sounds more difficult than having a modest deficit, so then why would anyone do it?Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Again, completely correct. Foods shouldn't be arbitrarily described as bad. Unless, for some reason, eating those foods contributes negatively towards your goals. For instance, I gather from your posts that your able to eat a small amount of some "unhealthy" food and feel satisfied with that. Some ice cream, couple beers, what have you.
I'm just guessing, of course, since I have no idea what that feels like. When I eat something that is sugar intensive, I somehow become less satisfied; I suddenly crave sugar and high-caloric items more than when I started. "Food addiction" sounds ridiculous, but it's really the only way I can communicate how I feel about eating carb-laden food.
Imagine for a moment that you're eating something, it's tasty, and you're full. Not just satisfied, but full. Uncomfortably full. Painfully full. Yet, some overpowering part of your brain is shrieking like a maniac that food is scarce, you have to eat now, because if you don't keep eating, there's a risk of dyeing of starvation later. Completely illogical, totally bull****, a leftover piece of instinct that's clinging to the primitive part of the brain long after it was necessary, like an appendix waiting to be infected. It sounds like your brain works better than mine, and I'm happy that you don't have to deal with something so incredibly annoying. For me, personally, I find that minimizing my exposure to carbs in general and simple refined sugars in particular to be helpful in avoiding the powerful urge to consume endlessly.Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
Probably not, but I have significantly more success maintaining a caloric deficit without carbs than with them. And like you said, maintaining a caloric deficit is what's needed for weight loss.0 -
this is all I have for you ..Keto, Low Carb, IF, etc are not some magical diets that burn through fat….all they are is tools to create a calorie deficit..
You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out. Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
^^^ THIS. This dude knows what he's talking about. Diets are for suckers. Develop lifelong sustainable and enjoyable habits and F the fad diets.
My eating plan isn't a "diet" or a "fad diet". I do plan to eat low carb for life, with a few cheat meals here and there to shake things up. I'm really getting sick of the keto-bashers on here. NO ONE is forcing any of you to eat keto/paleo/etc, so why come in EVERY thread about low carb and spout your talking points? It's getting bloody ridiculous!
so when someone posts in an open forum asking for opinions if they should do this, or that we can't suggest an alternate, easier approach?
Telling people they can't have an opinion on something because it hurts your low carb/keto sensitivities is even more ridiculous...
Oh please. Don't pretend like all you're doing is offering another alternative. You go into EVERY thread about keto/paleo/etc and you spout the same talking points. It's like an evangelical yelling at a bunch of atheists. It's annoying and makes you look like an *kitten*.
it's funny that you consider keto/paleo/etc (something that tells you exactly what you can and can't eat) equivalent to atheists whereas someone saying everything goes / do what you want / in moderation you can have everything is the evangelical ... early morning giggles are the best :laugh:
Well, at least Keto doesn't send you to hell for having cheat days......0 -
I think it's actually a pretty common occurrence if you frequent keto circles that people can easily drop weight, at least for a while, simply due to the satiety of the foods they're eating.
The reason for the "for a while" quick weight loss is that people are blowing out there glycogen reserves, which also happen to hold a lot of water.
It's not real weight loss, and those initial pounds will come back as soon as anything resembling a normal diet is resumed.
When I say for a while, I mean months, and I'm not talking about the loss of water weight during the first week or two - I'm talking about fat loss. This is due to these people eating a caloric deficit (at least for a while) simply because they are satiated so much more easily on a LCHF diet, relative to their previous diet. Of course, doing a LCHF diet without tracking your calories may not be ideal for a number of reasons, first and foremost being it doesn't build good habits like weighing your food and tracking your macros/total calories. But many people find they can achieve a caloric deficit simply by switching to this type of diet, which was my point to begin with.
As for "not real weight loss", I think what you mean to say is the big losses people see at first are mostly water weight and are not entirely fat loss and that's true. But that's not what I was referring to.0 -
...You can accomplish the same thing with a calorie deficit, hitting macro targets, and working out...
While I completely, 100% agree with this statement, I have to ask... do you really think this is something that hasn't been considered previously?
I mean, the whole point of a ketogenic diet is that you can maintain a calorie deficit while maintaining satiety by setting the target macro for carbs to be as low as possible, and your response is that since you don't experience satiety problems with high carb diets, nobody does? Your advice consists entirely of "eat less, move more," which is exactly square one of any sort weight loss/health improvement regiment.
Obviously, "eat less, move more" is all you really need to lose weight. So why would anyone choose anything beyond that basic, common sense solution? You said yourself that abstaining from entire swaths of types of food sounds more difficult than having a modest deficit, so then why would anyone do it?Sugar is not making you fat. Eating caloric surplus is. I just think it is not a good idea to label certain foods "bad" and then entirely restrict them.
Again, completely correct. Foods shouldn't be arbitrarily described as bad. Unless, for some reason, eating those foods contributes negatively towards your goals. For instance, I gather from your posts that your able to eat a small amount of some "unhealthy" food and feel satisfied with that. Some ice cream, couple beers, what have you.
I'm just guessing, of course, since I have no idea what that feels like. When I eat something that is sugar intensive, I somehow become less satisfied; I suddenly crave sugar and high-caloric items more than when I started. "Food addiction" sounds ridiculous, but it's really the only way I can communicate how I feel about eating carb-laden food.
Imagine for a moment that you're eating something, it's tasty, and you're full. Not just satisfied, but full. Uncomfortably full. Painfully full. Yet, some overpowering part of your brain is shrieking like a maniac that food is scarce, you have to eat now, because if you don't keep eating, there's a risk of dyeing of starvation later. Completely illogical, totally bull****, a leftover piece of instinct that's clinging to the primitive part of the brain long after it was necessary, like an appendix waiting to be infected. It sounds like your brain works better than mine, and I'm happy that you don't have to deal with something so incredibly annoying. For me, personally, I find that minimizing my exposure to carbs in general and simple refined sugars in particular to be helpful in avoiding the powerful urge to consume endlessly.Ask yourself this. Are you going to eat just about zero carbs/sugar for the rest of your life? I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong...
Probably not, but I have significantly more success maintaining a caloric deficit without carbs than with them. And like you said, maintaining a caloric deficit is what's needed for weight loss.
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I love eating LCHF its my lifestyle now love it..0
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If not already mentioned here, there's a very active group on reddit.com called r/keto. Check it out!0
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I am a type 2 diabetic and have been on the low carb/high fat diet for five months. Did I mention that I was a carboholic? You name it, I LOVED it--candy, cookies, muffins, pie, bread, pizza, chips... When the diabetes was diagnosed, I first gave up sugar and was surprised at how much more energy I had. Eventually, I had to give up grains, starches, and beans, because they made my glucose meter very unhappy. Three wonderful things happened: my next lab work came back with normal lipids and glucose, I stopped feeling hungry all the time, and my asthma disappeared. My doctor, who doesn't support low carb at all, is amazed at my success, as am I. I've lost 50 pounds so far, and am continuing to lose at a steady rate, about a pound per week. I would never consider any other way of eating now.0
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Good luck!!! You can do it if you ignore the naysayers. :happy:0
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