Carbs vs Calories

If you cut carbs without cutting calories, you will not lose weight.

If you cut calories without cutting carbs, you will lose weight.

The answer is indisputably "calories".

That's not true.... you can cut carbs, and replace the calories from carbs with Protien.
Assuming the person is already eating at some sort of deficit.

If you cut carbs without cutting calories, you will not lose weight.

If you cut calories without cutting carbs, you will lose weight.

The answer is indisputably "calories".

That's not true.... you can cut carbs, and replace the calories from carbs with Protien.
Assuming the person is already eating at some sort of deficit.

If you cut carbs without dropping into deficit, you won't lose weight.

If you are eating at maintenance and replace carbs 1:1 with protein, you won't lose weight.

If you cut calories so you're in a deficit, without dropping carbs, you will lose weight.

The answer remains indisputably "calories".

My apologies, I misread where the post was going.

I didnt meant to emply it wasnt indisuputable "calories" which it is. However, you can lose weight by cutting carbs even when compensating with protein/fat but the loses will not be great. I meant to state that technically the point wasn't accurate whereas practically its not relevant.

My apologies, I misread where the post was going.

WTF are you doing, man? This is the internet, FFS, you don't apologize, you lash out with ever more outrageous claims!

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Cheers, mate.

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Meant to say "BRO YOU DONT KNOW SCIENCE CARB GOOD YALL EAT MORE FISH ITS GOT PLENTY OF INSULIN IN IT" something like that hehe

When cutting carbs and increasing fat intake (keto) you stay satisfied and therefore don't consume as many calories.

This has worked for me. 70lbs down in a little over a year.

Calories! I've been dieting since I was 12 years old in that time I've tried every fad diet there has been. This time I actually did some research and listened to the mean people here on the boards to show me I needed to do more research, because all I had to do was create a reasonable calorie deficit, don't overly restrict or give up anything.

Guess what it seems to have worked I've lost a little weight in a years time, while not driving my family insane, or making myself totally miserable that I wanted to give up. I eat fast food, pizza about once a week, pasta, and ice cream on a nightly basis.

What I've learned is portion control and moderation. I've also learned that there is no quick fix and that I'll be living this way the rest of my life, and I'm okay with that because I haven't given up anything.

Calories in vs Calories out its the biggest secret out there

the purpose to reducing carbs is to reduce the amount of insulin in your bloodstream
since insulin is the hormone which builds adipose (i.e. fat) tissue, it makes sense to not give insulin the chance to store more fat for you since it is fat that you are trying to lose.
so keep carbs under say 100 grams per day, and certainly avoid the high glycemic types of carbs (bread, potato, rice, grains, sugar, honey, fruit juices, HFCS, etc). while you can eat whole fruit, there's no need for it really. it's calorific, higher carb and fructose is hard on the liver. but overall if you reduce carbs it is much easier to lose fat tissue.

Fats and protein can cause an insulin response....

Certain fats will not.....
But protein will

I have successfully lost good amounts of weight on low cal (just under 100lbs) and low carb (56lbs). The low cal was so restrictive I put a good chunk back on - hence the low carb which came a few years later.

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Lowering your Calories isn't restrictive at all. You just eat less of the things you already eat. Low carb is, by its very nature, restrictive. Sure, I guess you could just eat less of the high-carb foods you currently eat and replace them with more (or higher) protein and/or fat foods. But, with low carb, you pretty much can't eat but a tiny amount of certain foods (bread, pasta, potatoes, etc) without taking up your carb allotment for the day.

I mean, whatever works for you, but what you said above is completely backward.

I dont believe in a cut it all out approach, just a reduction e.g. two slices of toast to one.

You just cut out 100kcal. But keep both eggs?

Still get the protein and less kcal.

Do it the other way around and you lose some protein, plus youll be more hungry and probably eat more later in the day anyway.

Most of the negative opinions of low CHO diet are because they are associated with extremely restrictive ketogenic diets. While theres plenty of evidence these work, the evidence still holds strong for far less restricted diets.

I agree with what you're saying. The issue I was attempting to raise is that many people, when they go to a low-carb diet, cut out entire foods, such as pasta and potatoes (since they were mentioned, aka restriction), as opposed to simply eating less of them. By all means, keep protein and fat where they need to be and lower carb intake. But that doesn't necessarily mean "low-carb."

Anybody who thinks it's just about calories should check out Sam Feltham's 21-day experiments where he eats a huge surplus of calories (5700) on a LCHF, typical American, and a vegan diet for 21 days each and gets vastly different results.

To sum it up, he gained about 3 pounds but lost inches on his waist in the LCHF, gained about 15 pounds and gained inches on his waist with the typical American diet, and is about halfway through having gained over 7 pounds and gained inches on his waist with the vegan diet.

Anybody who thinks it's just about calories should check out Sam Feltham's 21-day experiments where he eats a huge surplus of calories (5700) on a LCHF, typical American, and a vegan diet for 21 days each and gets vastly different results.

To sum it up, he gained about 3 pounds but lost inches on his waist in the LCHF, gained about 15 pounds and gained inches on his waist with the typical American diet, and is about halfway through having gained over 7 pounds and gained inches on his waist with the vegan diet.

Lol Feltham, that was such a rigorously controlled "experiment"

No, but Taubes is about to do one that is.