Females and Fat-Acceptance Movement.
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Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.0 -
It's the "we're better because we're fat" that I have a problem with and seems to be the prevailing point in the fat acceptance movement.
The stidy they base the "we're healthier" thing on is actually about women who are about 10-15 pounds over a "healthy" BMI, not women who are obese or morbidly obese.
See that's interesting to me. I was thinking more along the lines of the Dove ads instead of this nonsense. That being said, I still see a lot of creepy fat aggression in this thread...which is troubling.0 -
You know, not sugar coating thing might not work for some women. It is all fine and good for men to say being fat is unhealthy, disguising and unattractive, but what does this do? It sure as hell wouldn't motivate me! However, being accepting of any side is also over the top. I wish less effort was put into judging or accepting, and more put into EDUCATION. Teach how to be healthy, teach self confidence in the form of "you can do it, anyone can be healthy", and learn how to find your identity as an individual instead of being a skinny ***** or fat cow.0
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Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe0 -
I don't want anyone to accept me being fat, because I don't accept it. But if I can't even be 5'7" 140 without superficial people saying I am 'fat', then I feel like bashing heads lol. I have been all weights and people are most unfair to average weight ladies. They pick at every tiny thing. From pot bellies to cellulite when the truth is 140lb is a healthy, touchable weight for my height.0
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I think it's because women are expected to be beautiful and skinny much more than men. Society will mock fat men of course, but fat women are pretty much invisible. Society in general focuses much more of female bodies and beauty than male bodies.0
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Also, fat bashing sucks. It's SO counter productive to always hear im the media how unattractive and undesirable I am due to my weight. An example of this is HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. No fatties, no fatties, no fatties. I can see why someone who wants to stay big (not me) would fight back with an acceptance movement. But again, I am against both bashing and accepting movements.0
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That all comes from the Barney character and the others think he's a jerk for how he treats and views women.Also, fat bashing sucks. It's SO counter productive to always hear im the media how unattractive and undesirable I am due to my weight. An example of this is HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. No fatties, no fatties, no fatties. I can see why someone who wants to stay big (not me) would fight back with an acceptance movement. But again, I am against both bashing and accepting movements.0 -
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That all comes from the Barney character and the others think he's a jerk for how he treats and views women.Also, fat bashing sucks. It's SO counter productive to always hear im the media how unattractive and undesirable I am due to my weight. An example of this is HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. No fatties, no fatties, no fatties. I can see why someone who wants to stay big (not me) would fight back with an acceptance movement. But again, I am against both bashing and accepting movements.
I know it seems like this, but unfortunately I have watched every episode of the series. Ted (The reasonable compassionate looking for love character) is also very against fatties. He is not as open about it, but it does come out in a few episodes. Lily also expresses how AWFUL life would be if she were fat. For her life wouldn't only suck, she acts as if life would be over.0 -
From what I gather, there are two sides to the "fat acceptance" movement:
(1) One is more body acceptance oriented and encourages women and men to not be so hard on themselves and stop holding themselves to unrealistic expectations of beauty. TBH, I see less of this than the second, and I don't know why it's even called "fat" acceptance if it's just body acceptance.
(2) One seems to have a vitriolic hate of fit/lean/thin people and seems to promote obesity.
I really don't know why we should have a "fat acceptance" movement at all. No one should be treated as though they are less valuable as person because of their weight, but the truth is that most of the Western world has a systemic problem with rapidly increasing obesity rates. 64% of Americans are now overweight, and 43% of Americans are obese. This should not be swept under the rug or just "accepted" as the new "norm." We should be fighting to reverse it. Accepting fatness as somehow "healthy" does a huge disservice to everyone.0 -
Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
Yup, you are right. 23 inch waist, goodness!0 -
I've also watched every episode, several times. I never really got that out of the show.
That all comes from the Barney character and the others think he's a jerk for how he treats and views women.Also, fat bashing sucks. It's SO counter productive to always hear im the media how unattractive and undesirable I am due to my weight. An example of this is HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER. No fatties, no fatties, no fatties. I can see why someone who wants to stay big (not me) would fight back with an acceptance movement. But again, I am against both bashing and accepting movements.
I know it seems like this, but unfortunately I have watched every episode of the series. Ted (The reasonable compassionate looking for love character) is also very against fatties. He is not as open about it, but it does come out in a few episodes. Lily also expresses how AWFUL life would be if she were fat. For her life wouldn't only suck, she acts as if life would be over.0 -
Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
I had Marilyn's numbers (although I'm only 5'5" and a DD) when I was about to be married (I had to be measured for my Wedding Dress and Going Away Outfit, and the dressmakers remarked on it several times.), back in 1990. 36-24-36. At the time, I was in a size 8 - 10. I'm about 15 pounds heavier (today) than I was back then, and everything has shifted around but I'm still in an 8 - 10! Our standards have shifted and shifted and shifted. . .0 -
Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
Yup, you are right. 23 inch waist, goodness!
She looks very curvy, but it wasn't because of extra padding. She had that frame you know? 22-23" waist with 35-36" hips and bust. For reference, today's models generally have 34-24-34 measurements or somewhere NEAR that. She was fairly close to conventional models, except for the height.0 -
I also don't think that it's all necessarily about fat acceptance, but accepting that you can be not perfect and still beautiful. When you look at magazines and models, it's hard to see that. They are literally the prettiest people in the world, and we see them on a daily basis. It can be hard to remember that you have beauty and value regardless of size, and that your imperfections make you a person.
A lot of people seem to get into this either-or mentality regarding weight loss and body acceptance. I am fat still, despite my weight loss thus far. I still think I'm pretty and love my body, but that doesn't mean there aren't a variety of reasons I want to lose weight, and am losing weight. I loved myself before starting this journey, and love myself during it. I trust that I'll still love myself after it. And that's the kind of message that I think these ads are trying to send out. Accepting and enjoying the way you are right now doesn't negate the need or desire to change yourself in the future.
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I think there's accepting yourself for who you are, flaws, bumps, lumps and all and making the best of your shape and your features, and then there's pretending that it is healthy to be morbidly obese. One does not necessarily equate to the other, and I shouldn't have to pretend that I think a woman who is morbidly obese is at a healthy weight to think and know that the woman herself can be attractive and a person of great worth at that weight. A woman's weight and figure shouldn't be synonymous with her merit as a person, but apparently they are in our society.0
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Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
I had Marilyn's numbers (although I'm only 5'5" and a DD) when I was about to be married (I had to be measured for my Wedding Dress and Going Away Outfit, and the dressmakers remarked on it several times.), back in 1990. 36-24-36. At the time, I was in a size 8 - 10. I'm about 15 pounds heavier (today) than I was back then, and everything has shifted around but I'm still in an 8 - 10! Our standards have shifted and shifted and shifted. . .
Whoops, just realized I was 36-24-34. . .
My hips have gotten very, very wide over the years, I gather. . .I can still wear my wedding dress (very full below the fitted bodice) though!0 -
Every blog and website I visited on this topic were always written by women. Why is that? Why aren't more men involved with this?
I think the better question is why aren't there fewer women involved with this?
Spend any amount of time in the fat acceptance blogging community, and you will come to understand that it's not about "loving yourself at any size." It's about castigating people for wanting to be thinner and healthier. Those people live in abject denial about the long-term consequences of being obese. They've thrown in the towel on their own lives, and they want to mock and scorn anyone who dares to do the opposite. It's how they rationalize just staying fat.
+1 with this. The media is guilty of this too, I've seen lots of articles published recently about how certain new clothing/underwear/dating websites etc measures up for "real women". Apparently all us girls who aren't carrying X+ body fat aren't "real women". Being made out to be some sort of inferior sub-species for having healthy levels of body fat is ridiculous.
I'm all for women embracing their shape, frame and height, and I completely acknowledge that we go through times in our life of change (pregnancy, babies, grief, depression, stress etc) where things get away from us. I'd never judge someone for being over weight, but I can't understand the mentality of deliberately and actively staying in a place dangerous to health.0 -
Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
I had Marilyn's numbers (although I'm only 5'5" and a DD) when I was about to be married (I had to be measured for my Wedding Dress and Going Away Outfit, and the dressmakers remarked on it several times.), back in 1990. 36-24-36. At the time, I was in a size 8 - 10. I'm about 15 pounds heavier (today) than I was back then, and everything has shifted around but I'm still in an 8 - 10! Our standards have shifted and shifted and shifted. . .
Whoops, just realized I was 36-24-34. . .
My hips have gotten very, very wide over the years, I gather. . .I can still wear my wedding dress (very full below the fitted bodice) though!
I find this odd... perhaps it has to do with height. I'm 5'8" and 32-25-36 and a size 2/3.0 -
[qute]I find this odd... perhaps it has to do with height. I'm 5'8" and 32-25-36 and a size 2/3. [/quote]
Yes, height matters.
Size 8 for someone very tall will be larger (comparing waistbands) than size 8 for someone who's much shorter.0 -
Because men tell each other when they look fat and need to lose weight. No sugar coating.
Go to any male dominated fitness forum. There are no niceties thrown around.
Maybe not, but there is plenty of flouncing and butthurt. :laugh:0 -
Huh. This also works with Eating Disorder Awareness week.
The blogs I follow for "fat acceptance" is more of the type of yeah we're fat but why does that mean we have to be hidden away? Why do you think so many overweight people are afraid of the gym? Are we fat people supposed to avoid swimming because fit people are there and might be offended? Are we not supposed to go out to the clubs and enjoy ourselves because we jiggle?? Forget that, I may be fat but I'm still going to go out, have fun and get healthy. Your opinion of me doesn't make me who I am.
Learning to accept yourself for who and what you are goes a LONG way in getting healthy.
Quite nicely said!0 -
Possibly there is sooooo much more pressure on women to be thin, young-looking & beautiful and some women are standing up to say enough is enough.
^^^This. Also, a 400 lb man can look in the mirror, smile and believe he's the hottest thing for miles. A 103 lb woman looks in the mirror, cries and tells herself she's fat.
I've thought about this a lot. Here's what I think. The female fashion industry is basically run by gay males (I do NOT have anything against gay males. I acutally have a transvestite living in my home until he can get on his feet) if you don't believe it, watch "Project Runway." The gay males dictate that women be stick thin because that way they look more like men (look at the shapes of popular models - no body fat, no jiggling, broad shoulders, some muscle definition). I think if women took back the women's fashion industry, clothes would be made to look good on more realistically shaped women.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8 at her largest but she had CURVES!
Yea, maybe a dressmaker's 8 but not a vanity-sized Old Navy 8
And the fashion industry doesnt want women to look like men. They want women to look like hangers.
This! Today Marilyn might be more of a size 10 or12. Still one of the most beautiful women in history, in my opinion.
No. She would be more like a 4
http://jezebel.com/5299793/for-the-last-time-what-size-was-marilyn-monroe
I had Marilyn's numbers (although I'm only 5'5" and a DD) when I was about to be married (I had to be measured for my Wedding Dress and Going Away Outfit, and the dressmakers remarked on it several times.), back in 1990. 36-24-36. At the time, I was in a size 8 - 10. I'm about 15 pounds heavier (today) than I was back then, and everything has shifted around but I'm still in an 8 - 10! Our standards have shifted and shifted and shifted. . .
Whoops, just realized I was 36-24-34. . .
My hips have gotten very, very wide over the years, I gather. . .I can still wear my wedding dress (very full below the fitted bodice) though!
I find this odd... perhaps it has to do with height. I'm 5'8" and 32-25-36 and a size 2/3.
That's the point. If I was those dimensions TODAY, I'd probably be in size 4. (I'm short, with a short torso and long legs.) If you were your current size 24 years ago, you'd have worn an 8.0 -
Huh. This also works with Eating Disorder Awareness week.
The blogs I follow for "fat acceptance" is more of the type of yeah we're fat but why does that mean we have to be hidden away? Why do you think so many overweight people are afraid of the gym? Are we fat people supposed to avoid swimming because fit people are there and might be offended? Are we not supposed to go out to the clubs and enjoy ourselves because we jiggle?? Forget that, I may be fat but I'm still going to go out, have fun and get healthy. Your opinion of me doesn't make me who I am.
Learning to accept yourself for who and what you are goes a LONG way in getting healthy.
Quite nicely said!
I would agree. I've got a lot more respect for the overweight people I see sweating at the gym, doing what they can to get healthy, than the girls who are there for chit-chat and to show off in a sexy new workout outfit that never sees a drop of sweat (yes I've seen them in person).0 -
Man looks for needy people or situation. Man creates a movement or social network for those people. Man makes motivation speeches and helps some of those people. Man then finds way to make money off the same people. Man has been doing this since beginning of time.0
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Being fat is a health problem. It isn't good for fat people and it isn't good for the rest of us either. I liked the comparison in Super Size Me, where he brought up the fact that people feel righteous in chastising someone for smoking, since it is killing them and endangering the health of those around them, but no one runs up and says something to a fat person chowing down on some supersized fries, coke, and burger. Then when they get health problems, we all feel the pain as insurance rates rise. The worst part is that they usually feed their kids like this too! I once saw a man telling his fat little girl that she couldn't have a shake if she didn't finish her chicken nuggets and fries! I wanted to call CPS. Sorry. That's definitely on the angry side of the spectrum for me, but I felt like ranting a little. Obviously some people have healthy issues that make them fat.
Actually, I have looked at some of the studies done and life expectancy is not shortened that much ( a few months to a year) for those who are pretty overweight to obese. My grandparents carried a few extra pounds, between 25-55 lbs, and my grandfather is in his mid 80's and my grandmother died at 82. My husbands skinny grandmother died at 87 or around that of cancer and she was very into healthy living. Of course, there are problems if you eat horribly and never move at any size. Personally, I just feel happiest when I am eating healthy, keeping my calories within reason, and exercising even if I don't lose weight, not that I won't try, but if I make healthy changes every year I can accept myself for that and feel like I am improving, even if the scale does not move as much as I'd like. Not gaining weight for me is a big achievement. Learning to eat health foods is an achievement. Not binging is an achievement. Health is a lifetime goal not really something that needs to happen overnight. Little changes over time will add up to a lot, IMO. I think sometimes people in the health and fitness industry pressure too much change too quickly and people gain the weight back and give up as a result.0 -
Quality of life is an issue, though. I mean, first being significantly (and even not significantly) overweight can be very physically uncomfortable. But more than that, I don't know a single obese person who hasn't developed major joint issues, even as early as in their 30s. When you're 30 years old and can't walk the length of a city block simply because you're overweight, that is a serious problem. It impacts how you live your life, what you can do for fun or even necessity.Being fat is a health problem. It isn't good for fat people and it isn't good for the rest of us either. I liked the comparison in Super Size Me, where he brought up the fact that people feel righteous in chastising someone for smoking, since it is killing them and endangering the health of those around them, but no one runs up and says something to a fat person chowing down on some supersized fries, coke, and burger. Then when they get health problems, we all feel the pain as insurance rates rise. The worst part is that they usually feed their kids like this too! I once saw a man telling his fat little girl that she couldn't have a shake if she didn't finish her chicken nuggets and fries! I wanted to call CPS. Sorry. That's definitely on the angry side of the spectrum for me, but I felt like ranting a little. Obviously some people have healthy issues that make them fat.
Actually, I have looked at some of the studies done and life expectancy is not shortened that much ( a few months to a year) for those who are pretty overweight to obese. My grandparents carried a few extra pounds, between 25-55 lbs, and my grandfather is in his mid 80's and my grandmother died at 82. My husbands skinny grandmother died at 87 or around that of cancer and she was very into healthy living. Of course, there are problems if you eat horribly and never move at any size. Personally, I just feel happiest when I am eating healthy, keeping my calories within reason, and exercising even if I don't lose weight, not that I won't try, but if I make healthy changes every year I can accept myself for that and feel like I am improving, even if the scale does not move as much as I'd like. Not gaining weight for me is a big achievement. Learning to eat health foods is an achievement. Not binging is an achievement. Health is a lifetime goal not really something that needs to happen overnight. Little changes over time will add up to a lot, IMO. I think sometimes people in the health and fitness industry pressure too much change too quickly and people gain the weight back and give up as a result.
Why limit yourself if you don't have to? Not being able to move without pain can't be fun. I don't understand encouraging that. You may live just as long as the skinnies, but are you enjoying that life to the extent you could?0
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