Sugar withdrawals

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  • gypsy_spirit
    gypsy_spirit Posts: 2,107 Member
    Great idea! Sugar is toxic and of no value nutrition wise. Once you avoid fast processing carbs and sugar and keep your blood sugar normal you will not crave it anymore. Good nutrition is crucial, however, and has a lot to do with cravings too.Your body cries for sugar because it is the fastest way for it to get fuel (glucose.) If any nutrients are missing (especially micro nutrients) you will continue to crave until your body receives nourishment. Please don't switch to artificial sugar as a substitute! This will trick your body into thinking it is receiving fuel, and when it doesn't get the real deal it will make you crave sugar all day long.

    I'm curious how much sugar the replacement foods (don't want to promote the name) in your diary contain. If sugar is toxic - are you still eating it?

    Please, if you want to give your opinion, that's fine. But scaring people with words like "toxic", "bodies crying for sugar", etc. is at very minimum misleading.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Sugar also leeches vitamins and nutrients from your body so look at it like a parasite. and yes it is as addictive as crack that is nhs information

    lol no …

    this is so ridiculous that I am not even going to engage you on it...
  • mamafairey
    mamafairey Posts: 6 Member
    no dont cut it out completely that would be poop. just dont have excess or give in to every craving. there is sugar in just about everything these days so you cant give it up completely.
    The link i copied and pasted from was from a book called the clean and lean diet.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    no dont cut it out completely that would be poop. just dont have excess or give in to every craving. there is sugar in just about everything these days so you cant give it up completely.
    The link i copied and pasted from was from a book called the clean and lean diet.

    so sugar is toxic, but it is OK to consume it…?

    that is like posting a warning at a lake that the water is contaminated but it is OK to swim….
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    Sugar also leeches vitamins and nutrients from your body so look at it like a parasite. and yes it is as addictive as crack that is nhs information

    lol no …

    this is so ridiculous that I am not even going to engage you on it...

    She's either trying to troll or beyond saving
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    http://tugunchiro.com.au/articles/sugar-is-one-atom-away-from-cocaine.html

    http://eatlocalgrown.com/article/11856-sugar-addictive.html

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/study-saccharin-and-sugar-found-more-addictive-cocaine

    http://www.myfitbodylife.com/sugar-and-cocaine-two-very-similar-drugs/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/researcher-sugar-addictive-cocaine-obesity-diabetes-cancer-heart-disease-article-1.1054419

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698

    These are just random -
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    Is it ridiculous because you don't believe it or don't want to believe it?
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    http://tugunchiro.com.au/articles/sugar-is-one-atom-away-from-cocaine.html

    http://eatlocalgrown.com/article/11856-sugar-addictive.html

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/study-saccharin-and-sugar-found-more-addictive-cocaine

    http://www.myfitbodylife.com/sugar-and-cocaine-two-very-similar-drugs/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/researcher-sugar-addictive-cocaine-obesity-diabetes-cancer-heart-disease-article-1.1054419

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698

    These are just random -

    The B.S. that people believe passes for information never fails to amaze me.
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    Thanks - it's a long article, it may be a bit before I can respond. :)
  • CynthiasChoice
    CynthiasChoice Posts: 1,047 Member
    Quitting sugar is like quitting smoking in the sense that the "addiction" is twofold. There is the craving your body has to fulfill energy demands and maintain blood sugar levels, and there's the craving your mouth and brain have to fulfill the hedonistic desire and comfort that sweet foods provide. Although these two things are somewhat linked biologically, overcoming them has to be attacked differently. Eating fruit, artificial sweeteners, dark chocolate, etc. can and will help reduce your bodies needs for simple carbohydrates over time by reducing your spikes in insulin and blood sugar levels, but it will not allow you to overcome the "habit". It's kind of like the nicotine patch or those vapor cigarettes. Your only solving half the problem. I see alot of people say they're eliminating sugar only to pound fruit, or diet coke, or frozen bananas with peanut butter. That's not really getting to the heart of the issue which is that the goal is to create a lifestyle where sweet flavors are not part of your everyday diet. Just because fruit is natural does not mean it's healthy. Bacon is natural too. Yes, fruit has vitamins, but you can get those through vegetables and without the calories and blood sugar spike and without cultivating one's dependence..

    I'm not being argumentative here - truly - I'm just wondering if you know: Which vegetables can replace the nutrients in an orange, grapes, papaya, or blueberries? Is there a website you can direct me to? Thanks.
  • IronSmasher
    IronSmasher Posts: 3,908 Member
    How does protein cause insulin spike? I don't understand...

    We know.
  • IronSmasher
    IronSmasher Posts: 3,908 Member
    Dailymail.co.uk/femail - the UK's version of The Onion (I wish).
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    "Insulin doesn’t just regulate blood sugar. It has other effects as well. For example, it stimulates your muscles to build new protein (a process called protein synthesis). It also inhibits lipolysis (the breakdown of fat) and stimulates lipogenesis (the creation of fat)."

    So far, I totally agree. When your blood sugar is high, insulin's job is to use that sugar up as fast as possible. Your body will not break down fat when your insulin is high. Sugar is used to build glycogen, which is stored in your muscles and liver for immediate energy.
  • Abakan
    Abakan Posts: 361 Member
    I think removing as much processed, refined sugar from our diets can only improve our health and I for one am going to give it a go. Removing natural sugars fron our diets must be virtuly impossible there wouldn't be much left to eat if we tried that.
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    "It should be remembered why glucagon is released in response to protein in the first place. Since protein stimulates insulin secretion, it would cause a rapid drop in blood glucose if no carbohydrate is consumed with the protein. Glucagon prevents this rapid drop in blood sugar by stimulating the liver to produce glucose."

    Ok, so I also agree with the above - I learned something new about protein stimulating insulin, that's interesting. Trying to process...
  • desspec
    desspec Posts: 1
    How does protein cause insulin spike? I don't understand...
    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

    read that...

    That weightology link - that's a study? I read through it, it looks more like an analysis and interpretation of other studies. Regardless, honest question: do you know of studies which show glycemic/insulin responses to protein which hasn't been paired with carbohydrates or fat? It would be interesting to see if this guys conclusion about protein held true when it was measured by itself.

    The study he cited from '09/'10 was interesting. Described by it's authors as containing "Measures of postprandial wellness after single intake of two protein-carbohydrate meals. ... Subjective reports on satiety and postprandial wellness (pleasantness, satisfaction, relaxation, sleepiness, physical energy and mental alertness) were established using visual analogue scales at regular time points after consumption of the breakfasts up to 240 min."

    Studies which are specifically controlling for the glycemic/insulin response to proteins and carbohydrates might also be interesting on this topic.

    Thanks for the references.
  • judylutz
    judylutz Posts: 32 Member
    " One problem with refined carbohydrate is a problem of energy density. With refined carbohydrate, it is easier to pack a lot of calories into a small package. Not only that, but foods with high energy density are often not as satiating as foods with low energy density. "

    By energy density does he mean calories? Calories come from protein, fat and carbs. Protein and fat take longer to digest, and therefore are more satiating. It's not about the calories, its about the content. Do you agree?
  • CynthiasChoice
    CynthiasChoice Posts: 1,047 Member
    peer reviewed, published scientific studies comparing cocaine and sugar addiction:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698#pone-0000698-g006

    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/15/5/481/
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    " One problem with refined carbohydrate is a problem of energy density. With refined carbohydrate, it is easier to pack a lot of calories into a small package. Not only that, but foods with high energy density are often not as satiating as foods with low energy density. "

    By energy density does he mean calories? Calories come from protein, fat and carbs. Protein and fat take longer to digest, and therefore are more satiating. It's not about the calories, its about the content. Do you agree?

    I do not agree. It is about calories in vs calories out ….

    yes, certain foods are more nutritious for you then others. But at the end of the day it boils down to calorie deficit and calories in vs calories out ….

    If we are talking about body recomp/adding muscle then yes, adherence to macros is important and one should make sure that you are hitting macro targets….
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    peer reviewed, published scientific studies comparing cocaine and sugar addiction:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698#pone-0000698-g006

    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/15/5/481/

    from the plosone article

    "Here we report that when rats were allowed to choose mutually-exclusively between water sweetened with saccharin–an intense calorie-free sweetener–and intravenous cocaine–a highly addictive and harmful substance–the large majority of animals (94%) preferred the sweet taste of saccharin."

    so the rats went for what tasted better?

    Also, if the cocaine was given intravenously how did they choose between the water and the intravenous injection? It is not like they can ask …

    It would seem to make more sense to have cocaine in water and sweetener in water and see what they went for….no?
  • LauraFouhse
    LauraFouhse Posts: 115
    I cut all refined sugar out of my diet and limit significantly the amount of natural sugar I take in (fruits for example). For the most part I am trying to eat a clean diet.

    For me.. sugar addiction is like any other addiction. It's all or nothing. I do not crave sugary things at all until I allow myself to have a little something... then I eat every sugary thing I can get my hands on. Eating sugar in no way enhances my life, so I just don't eat it. Have been sugar free for 7 months.

    I am recovering from another addiction as well and I know that my physical response to sugar and binging is VERY similar to alcohol. The only way I could stop getting drunk was to avoid alcohol completely. It's worked for me for over 20 years.
  • jac_84
    jac_84 Posts: 128 Member
    Dont cut sugar out of your diet if your only going to crave it. just have it in moderation to get your fix. :)
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    peer reviewed, published scientific studies comparing cocaine and sugar addiction:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698#pone-0000698-g006

    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/15/5/481/

    from the plosone article

    "Here we report that when rats were allowed to choose mutually-exclusively between water sweetened with saccharin–an intense calorie-free sweetener–and intravenous cocaine–a highly addictive and harmful substance–the large majority of animals (94%) preferred the sweet taste of saccharin."

    so the rats went for what tasted better?

    Also, if the cocaine was given intravenously how did they choose between the water and the intravenous injection? It is not like they can ask …

    It would seem to make more sense to have cocaine in water and sweetener in water and see what they went for….no?

    i see what they did …they had levers that they "selected" from …I still think it is interesting that they just went for what more than likely tasted better…and I am not a big fan of applying rat trials to humans….but that is just my two cents...
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    peer reviewed, published scientific studies comparing cocaine and sugar addiction:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000698#pone-0000698-g006

    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pha/15/5/481/

    from the plosone article

    "Here we report that when rats were allowed to choose mutually-exclusively between water sweetened with saccharin–an intense calorie-free sweetener–and intravenous cocaine–a highly addictive and harmful substance–the large majority of animals (94%) preferred the sweet taste of saccharin."

    so the rats went for what tasted better?

    Also, if the cocaine was given intravenously how did they choose between the water and the intravenous injection? It is not like they can ask …

    It would seem to make more sense to have cocaine in water and sweetener in water and see what they went for….no?

    i see what they did …they had levers that they "selected" from …I still think it is interesting that they just went for what more than likely tasted better…and I am not a big fan of applying rat trials to humans….but that is just my two cents...

    It seemed like an odd study to me too. A preference doesn't hit me as the same thing as an addiction.
  • Slacker16
    Slacker16 Posts: 1,184 Member
    Why is this episode of the series in Gaining Weight? It's usually broadcast on Food & Nutrition or General Weight Loss.

    For the record, my diet is and always has been low on sugar because I don't care for sweets or fruit.
    I ate low-sugar as a skinny kid.
    I ate low-sugar as an obese early teen.
    I ate low-sugar as a slender late teen.
    I ate low-sugar as an increasingly chubby early twenties guy with a binging problem.
    I'm eating low-sugar as an increasingly slender late twenties guy with no binging problem.
  • rww59
    rww59 Posts: 11 Member
    Seven and half years on SCD.
    No sugar,lactose or complex carbs.

    The healthiest diet on god's green earth Bar none:glasses:
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Why is this episode of the series in Gaining Weight? It's usually broadcast on Food & Nutrition or General Weight Loss.

    For the record, my diet is and always has been low on sugar because I don't care for sweets or fruit.
    I ate low-sugar as a skinny kid.
    I ate low-sugar as an obese early teen.
    I ate low-sugar as a slender late teen.
    I ate low-sugar as an increasingly chubby early twenties guy with a binging problem.
    I'm eating low-sugar as an increasingly slender late twenties guy with no binging problem.

    wait, so you are saying you got obese by eating too much food AND low sugar.?? *mindblown*

    I thought all sugar was stored as fat and that is what made you obese….
  • 32sami
    32sami Posts: 380 Member
    Occasionally I try and detox from crap but that's about it. I couldn't give up sugar, etc anymore than I could give up breathing.
  • 32sami
    32sami Posts: 380 Member
    A distinction needs to be made between added table sugar or high fructose syrup and the sugars that are naturally found in plants and dairy. I think the OP is referring to added sugar, and I think it's a great idea to give it up if you find it hard to control cravings for sweets.

    Not everyone has a problem with self control around sweets, and for them, eating sweets in moderation is an option, if that's what they choose. However, if you're someone who has thoughts about sweets throughout the day, it's a good idea to try a diet that's free from added sugars to see if your thought patterns change.

    I'm much happier on a diet that's free from added sugar. Yes, I miss the treats, but I don't miss what sugar in my blood stream does to my self control. A limited amount of fruit and dairy sugars don't mess with my mind, so I eat them. I think it's a mistake to avoid fruit because there are so many vital nutrients found in fruit that are hard to find elsewhere.

    ummm no…

    sugar is sugar..it does not matter if you have unicorns deliver it to your doorstop, or devils add it to your food…at the end of the day you body recognizes sugar, as sugar….

    Or angels fly it out of your *kitten* :D
  • shinkalork
    shinkalork Posts: 815 Member
    didn't cut it all but i've reduced my quantity to barely nothing.
    Way under in my macro ....as per what i could take.

    And yes,,,,fruits contain good sugar (fructose) but don't over do it...it's still sugar

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