CURE FOR DIABETES ????
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October 2013 Newcastle universities biomedicine research facillity England, published this...
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P
It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P
It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.
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Type 2 can generally be reversed....I wish the same could be said for my type 1 though...0
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I have been going through the same thing, I have hypertension, insulin resistance, and extremely high testosterone. My doctor informed me of my odds of developing diabetes if I don't lose the weight and eat healthier,due to both of my parents being diabetic. My mother is on dialysis now and has really pushed the importance to me of listening to my doctor and my body. She said that she always felt that she was still young and being healthy was not a priority. When she finally decided to change she had severe diabetes and her kidneys shut down. I see the struggle she goes through daily and I am glad I am doing something about it. I do know that sometimes situations will happen to your body no matter what you do but if I can in some way redirect the course, I say why not give it a shot.0
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Yep, I was not diabetic, but I was was pre-diabetic and insulin resistant. When I lost the weight it went away. (That was also my initial reason for wanting to gain muscle, because it helps with insulin sensitivity.)0
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I was diagnosed type 2 in December, which is what brought me here. With diet, exercise and metformin my blood work is back to non-diabetic levels. I'm eating a reduced carb ( not low carb ) diet and exercising 5-6 days a week.
You can definitely alter the path to diabetes by making these lifestyle changes.0 -
I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes too. 2 of my sisters have developed type 2 diabetes and my mom died from complications from type 2 diabetes. I have made many changes over the past 2 months as I take this diagnosis very seriously. Hoping my efforts will pay off. Scary disease.0
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The success stories forum has lots of posts from people who have successfully reversed their pre-diabetic status, by losing weight and exercising. It's doable - go get it OP!0
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Check out Eat to Live, Super Immunity by Dr.Joel Fuhrman... He will also be on Dr. Oz this Monday to discuss a new way of eating for life. I am doing Eat to Live and am loving it! Good luck in reversing or keeping your diabetes at bay!0
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Things to know about type 2 diabetes - and diabetes in general!
1) it is a genetic disease that makes you insulin resistant and predisposed to abnormal glucose metabolism and weight gain.
2) Decreasing your carb intake and increasing your activity can help decrease the effects BUT it will not change your genetic make up.
3) You are NEVER CURED - but you can decrease the long term health conequences with diet and increased activity.
4)You did not get type 2 diabetes because you are a lazy fat slob- it is your genetic heratage.
5) Weight gain is caused by geneticly altered carbohydrate metaboism which leads to the symptoms.
6) if you know you are geneticaly at risk, then limiting carbs of all kinds and staying active can help keep long term consequences from developing. Constant BG moitering before and after meals is esential to good managment.
7) Each person with a type 2 needs to test their blood glucose levels to see how each type of food effects them personally. If your BG reaading runs too high following a meal then you need to adjust the number and kinds of carbs in the meal in the future.
6) There is no such thing as prediabetets. Its like being a little bit pregnant. --- Your diabetic or your not - if you have the genetic heratage for T2 then lifestyle changes now will save you health. You are not predestined to loose you sight, limbs, kidney funtion etc.
Also and the is HUGE just because you are NOT a child does NOT mean you can not be an Antibody positive type 1 diabetic. The therapies are VERY DIFFERENT and can be the difference between life/death and major preventable comlications.
I was misdiagnosed as a T2 by age only at 60 years. Was in diabetic ketoacidosis with a BG of 485, was fit, active and normal weiight. Was in fact an adult onset antibody positive type 1 diabetic who needed insulin to survive but I was sent out of ER with metforman and instructions to diet and exercise because it was the ERs standard operating procedure. I would be dead now if I did not do my online research and arm twisted my PMD to do the full workup. C-peptide, ICA, GADA, IA2A and Zink transporter 8 antibodies.
More than 50% of new type 1 diabetics are diagnosed as adults not as children but most primary physicians are not aware. If you are misdiagnosed as a type 2 then the probability of long term complications by time of recognition of true diagnosis is huge. Also be aware that in adults Type 1 can have a slow gradual onst rather than the accute onset seen in children - another reason for the misdiagnosis.0 -
I found the Newcastle study very helpful. The study contends that Type 2 is caused by excess fat in liver and pancreas and can be reversed by losing enough visceral fat. I have successfully reversed my diabetes inasmuch as I have been instructed to stop medicating.
I was diagnosed with Type 2 in August 2012 with an hba1c of 10+, and began losing weight using MFP. It took me six months to drop 10% of body weight, by which time my hba1c had improved sufficiently for my GP to give me license to experiment with reducing metformin. I was originally prescribed 2000 mg of metformin daily.
It took me another year to hit 20% of body weight lost. By this time my hba1c had been 4.9 for two tests running (three months apart) and I was only taking a single 500 mg tablet every other day. I was instructed to stop medicating altogether. This week I did my first hba1c following three months without medication. Hoping the results are still good.0 -
Having had type 2 diabetes for the last 22 years (was up to 170 units of insulin 5 years ago) and now being totally off insulin (since Oct 2011) and my blood sugars (A1C's) averaging in the 5's ....some say I am "cured".
I have a very hard time saying I am "cured" from diabetes. I say my diabetes is controlled for I know I have a genetic predisposition to this disease.
The diet they speak of; of 3 shakes and one healthy meal is the exact diet I was put on that I had lost 200 pounds in 9 months and eliminated my dependency on injections of insulin. The diet works no doubt. But the mental/behavioral work, exercise and change of eating habits have to be a lifetime commitment to remain that way.
All the best in your journey to find what works for you.0 -
It's not one extreme or the other. Just because someone has genetic factors making it easier for them to end up with diabetes does not mean they aren't a lazy fat slob.4)You did not get type 2 diabetes because you are a lazy fat slob- it is your genetic heratage.
NOCheck out Eat to Live, Super Immunity by Dr.Joel Fuhrman... He will also be on Dr. Oz this Monday
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I would not say cured
but controlled is a better way of putting it
I was diagnosed December 2 2013
through diet and exercise I have gotten my numbers down considerably
they are in the normal range
but this does not mean I can go back to old habits
to prevent the complications of my genetic heritage
I will have to eat healthy and exercise
and eventually I might still end up with diabetes that will need meds
BUT
through diet and exercise I am increasing my quality of life
and
extending my life0 -
It's not one extreme or the other. Just because someone has genetic factors making it easier for them to end up with diabetes does not mean they aren't a lazy fat slob.4)You did not get type 2 diabetes because you are a lazy fat slob- it is your genetic heratage.
The point I was trying to make was that T2 is a genetic disease.
Yes any one can be a fat lazy slob, but you will not automatically become a T2 diabetic if you are.
The media hype about T2 is that you are a T2 diabetic because you are a personal failure rather than it is you genetic heratage that you can not control.
You have impared metabolism due to your genes. It is the impared metabolism that makes you fat not necesarily over eating and lack of activity. The insulin resistance comes before the weight gain not as a result of it!
Blaiming diabetics for thier disease and limiting treatment because it is suposedly a personal failure does not help solve the problem.0 -
I would not say cured
but controlled is a better way of putting it
I was diagnosed December 2 2013
through diet and exercise I have gotten my numbers down considerably
they are in the normal range
but this does not mean I can go back to old habits
to prevent the complications of my genetic heritage
I will have to eat healthy and exercise
and eventually I might still end up with diabetes that will need meds
BUT
through diet and exercise I am increasing my quality of life
and
extending my life
this! i've got a horrific amount of t2 in my family, and i'm hoping i can stave it off till i'm old. if i get it when i'm 80, well thats not as bad as say, getting it in my 30's. the longer one lives with it the higher the chances are of those nasty complications.0 -
I was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history...
Thankfully having a genetic predisposition for diabetes is not a guarantee! But your being very mindful of that risk and taking steps to prevent it is admirable!
I also have a history of Type 2 diabetes in my immediate family, but I have yet to develop pre-diabetes. Admittedly, I was well on my way when I was morbidly obese. I am very thankful that I'm not currently at risk, and I'm forever vigilant about my diet & exercise because of that. I try very hard not to take my health for granted. And I get tested annually... just to keep an eye on things.0 -
I have heard that pre-diabetics or newly diabetic people can reverse type II with the loss of even 10% of their weight. Because my dad has diabetes, my mom and both my sisters had gestational diabetes for almost all of their combined pregnancies, and with my high fasting blood sugar and genetics, I'm predisposed to it. I tend to try to treat myself like I already have it in hopes of avoiding it, particularly as I'm likely giving my dad a kidney soon because his diabetes has wrecked his to the point of being unusable. I won't last long with diabetes on 1 kidney, so even though the glucose tolerance test they made me do came back fine, I'm just going to keep it in mind that it could be coming any time so I'd best be used to living like I have it now.0
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...particularly as I'm likely giving my dad a kidney soon because his diabetes has wrecked his to the point of being unusable.
You are a kind, compassionate soul. :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:0 -
State your source. Half the crap you just spewed is BS.Things to know about type 2 diabetes - and diabetes in general!
1) it is a genetic disease that makes you insulin resistant and predisposed to abnormal glucose metabolism and weight gain.
2) Decreasing your carb intake and increasing your activity can help decrease the effects BUT it will not change your genetic make up.
3) You are NEVER CURED - but you can decrease the long term health conequences with diet and increased activity.
4)You did not get type 2 diabetes because you are a lazy fat slob- it is your genetic heratage.
5) Weight gain is caused by geneticly altered carbohydrate metaboism which leads to the symptoms.
6) if you know you are geneticaly at risk, then limiting carbs of all kinds and staying active can help keep long term consequences from developing. Constant BG moitering before and after meals is esential to good managment.
7) Each person with a type 2 needs to test their blood glucose levels to see how each type of food effects them personally. If your BG reaading runs too high following a meal then you need to adjust the number and kinds of carbs in the meal in the future.
6) There is no such thing as prediabetets. Its like being a little bit pregnant. --- Your diabetic or your not - if you have the genetic heratage for T2 then lifestyle changes now will save you health. You are not predestined to loose you sight, limbs, kidney funtion etc.
Also and the is HUGE just because you are NOT a child does NOT mean you can not be an Antibody positive type 1 diabetic. The therapies are VERY DIFFERENT and can be the difference between life/death and major preventable comlications.
I was misdiagnosed as a T2 by age only at 60 years. Was in diabetic ketoacidosis with a BG of 485, was fit, active and normal weiight. Was in fact an adult onset antibody positive type 1 diabetic who needed insulin to survive but I was sent out of ER with metforman and instructions to diet and exercise because it was the ERs standard operating procedure. I would be dead now if I did not do my online research and arm twisted my PMD to do the full workup. C-peptide, ICA, GADA, IA2A and Zink transporter 8 antibodies.
More than 50% of new type 1 diabetics are diagnosed as adults not as children but most primary physicians are not aware. If you are misdiagnosed as a type 2 then the probability of long term complications by time of recognition of true diagnosis is huge. Also be aware that in adults Type 1 can have a slow gradual onst rather than the accute onset seen in children - another reason for the misdiagnosis.
1. It can be, but not always. No diabetes in my family and I've had it since I was 29 years old.
2. True, but BS on the "genetic makeup - See #1.
3. Yes you can be. Went I got down to 15% BF 3 years ago, I was no longer on meds, and both my fasting and A1C levels were normal.
4. Maybe not, but it's because I'm fat, and have high levels of visceral fat.
5. OK, whatever. Diabetics are special snowflakes.
6. No argument there.
7. This is extreme and more for Type 1s.
8. Yes there is such a thing; this happens when either your fasting number or your A1C comes back higher than normal. That's called being prediabetic, which means if you don't do something about it, you'll be diabetic very soon. If both numbers are above normal, then your diabetic.0 -
This is a really interesting discussion and I'm thrilled to hear from so many people who are actively changing their eating habits and getting more exercise to lose weight and improve your health. Thanks for sharing this research study, and it's one of many that are showing that making lifestyle changes as early as possible, even before an actual diagnosis of prediabetes for people with a strong family history, gives wonderful benefits in terms of delaying the onset of T2 for several years. This is another good reason why I encourage everyone in the family to follow the same healthy diet as the person with diabetes: it improves everyone's health. ~Lynn /Glucerna0
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http://www.joslin.org/info/will_diabetes_go_away.html
http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/suppl_2/R202.long
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18779296
http://lizzysdlounge.com/2012/03/14/testing-101/
http://lizzysdlounge.com/2012/05/17/pre-diabetes-a-rant/
http://www.tudiabetes.org/profiles/blogs/melitta-s-top-ten-tips-for-the-newly-diagnosed-person-with-adult
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php
Just a few sources - there are many more out there.0 -
Some people can halt the progression into diabetes with these changes---if caught very early. However, there are many people out there that are at a good weight, or even under weight when they get diabetes. For them, weight and fat have nothing to do with their diabetes diagnosis. I do live with one of these people and have read, went to classes, seen CDE, and specialists. Sometimes, it just happens to people.0
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The success stories forum has lots of posts from people who have successfully reversed their pre-diabetic status, by losing weight and exercising. It's doable - go get it OP!
I did it. Both my parents, both grandmothers and one sister all have type II diabetes. I wasn't overweight when I found out I had prediabetes (5'7" and 150 lbs) and I already had a reasonably healthy diet, so I was a little concerned losing weight wouldn't help, but fortunately it did. I lost about 12 lbs on a low carb diet, continued exercising, and at my annual physical a year later found out my bloodwork was back in the normal range. Hoping to keep it there.0 -
i didnt think i would get it this young, ive been over weight for a few years but ive been an active healthy weight for at least 35 yrs previous to this, where as my 6 siblings have been always been t he complete opposite, over weight and obese , none active life styles and jobs and ate as much junk as they want and go out drinking several times a week to the pubs and they are at least 10 years older than me. a few of my brothers have developed type 2 after the age of 55, but my brother and sister that have been morbidly obese for 25 years haven't got it ?
yes i will be trying out the newcastle uni diet as soon as the gp all clears me to do it. I had gained weight after a prolapsed disc and eating ordering out for food with no exercise for months , i had to lose the weight i had gained to have surgery on that.. ive almost lost enough to have surgery now but I TOTALY failed my M.O.T. ive also come up with an underactive thyroid and seems like theyre concerned about my heart too, i keep collapsing after a bit of exercise or im woke in the night with indigestion and then collapse so jumping the que to see a cardiologist asap.
What a kick up the backside this is.. I think i would have been much worse off if i had not started to diet and try to exercise again this time last year.0 -
Check out Eat to Live, Super Immunity by Dr.Joel Fuhrman... He will also be on Dr. Oz this Monday to discuss a new way of eating for life. I am doing Eat to Live and am loving it! Good luck in reversing or keeping your diabetes at bay!
lol
you're seriously sending the OP to listen to TWO quacks?0 -
"How Do We Define Cure of Diabetes?"
American Diabetes Association (ADA) Diabetes Care Journal; November 2009; vol 32.
"A consensus group comprised of experts in pediatric and adult endocrinology, diabetes education, transplantation, metabolism, bariatric/metabolic surgery, and (for another perspective) hematology-oncology met in June 2009 to discuss
these issues."
"The group considered a wide variety of questions, including whether it is ever accurate to say that a chronic illness is cured; what the definitions of management, remission, or cure might be; whether goals of managing comorbid conditions revert to those of patients without diabetes if someone is “cured”; and whether screening for diabetes complications needs to continue in the “cured” patient. Since little or no scientific or actuarial evidence exists to inform the group's discussions, consensus was difficult to attain in a number of areas. The opinions and recommendations expressed herein are those of the authors and not the official position of the American Diabetes Association."
"These definitions and consensus recommendations, summarized are based on what the consensus group felt to be reasonable given the therapies of today. The authors hope that this article will engender active discussion in the field."
"As new therapies of curative intent emerge for type 1 and type 2 diabetes and actuarial and scientific evidence regarding prognosis builds, these issues will surely require further deliberation."
For further discussion, along with the full article can be found at the address below.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/11/2133.full
A fascinating read.0 -
"How Do We Define Cure of Diabetes?"
American Diabetes Association (ADA) Diabetes Care Journal; November 2009; vol 32.
"A consensus group comprised of experts in pediatric and adult endocrinology, diabetes education, transplantation, metabolism, bariatric/metabolic surgery, and (for another perspective) hematology-oncology met in June 2009 to discuss
these issues."
"The group considered a wide variety of questions, including whether it is ever accurate to say that a chronic illness is cured; what the definitions of management, remission, or cure might be; whether goals of managing comorbid conditions revert to those of patients without diabetes if someone is “cured”; and whether screening for diabetes complications needs to continue in the “cured” patient. Since little or no scientific or actuarial evidence exists to inform the group's discussions, consensus was difficult to attain in a number of areas. The opinions and recommendations expressed herein are those of the authors and not the official position of the American Diabetes Association."
"These definitions and consensus recommendations, summarized are based on what the consensus group felt to be reasonable given the therapies of today. The authors hope that this article will engender active discussion in the field."
"As new therapies of curative intent emerge for type 1 and type 2 diabetes and actuarial and scientific evidence regarding prognosis builds, these issues will surely require further deliberation."
For further discussion, along with the full article can be found at the address below.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/11/2133.full
A fascinating read.
hi thanks for your reply, it is interesting but it is also out dated , its from almost 5 years ago. Where as the newcastle uni diet link i posted is as recent as 6 months ago.
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Albeit previously dated by only 5 years it presents a discussion defining the term "cured" by this consensus group of medical experts. 0
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Newcastle is stating that the problem is being removed and the function of the organs effected are returning to normal is that not cured?
i wouldn't call it controlled or managed would you?
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October 2013 Newcastle universities biomedicine research facillity England, published this...
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P
It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.
thanks for your input, both of you:flowerforyou:I found the Newcastle study very helpful. The study contends that Type 2 is caused by excess fat in liver and pancreas and can be reversed by losing enough visceral fat. I have successfully reversed my diabetes inasmuch as I have been instructed to stop medicating.
I was diagnosed with Type 2 in August 2012 with an hba1c of 10+, and began losing weight using MFP. It took me six months to drop 10% of body weight, by which time my hba1c had improved sufficiently for my GP to give me license to experiment with reducing metformin. I was originally prescribed 2000 mg of metformin daily.
It took me another year to hit 20% of body weight lost. By this time my hba1c had been 4.9 for two tests running (three months apart) and I was only taking a single 500 mg tablet every other day. I was instructed to stop medicating altogether. This week I did my first hba1c following three months without medication. Hoping the results are still good.0 -
well it's not a cure but.... if this can help.
One thing that can greatly reduce the glycemic level is the PITAYA fruit..."Dragon Fruit"
Low cal,low sugar,super fruit full of vitamins and fiber......awesome in many many ways and it was proven that it does reduce the glycemic level.
Anyway, just saying... no matter what. It's an awesome fruit so.... Healthy anyway!0
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