Should I bother counting calories?

Soo I am trying to gain weight and I can't decide whether or not tracking my calories for the day is going to cause more harm than good. I am trying to recover from a restrictive eating disorder (still a work in progress) coupled with compulsive exercise tendencies (which I have somewhat gotten under control).

The thing with the restricting is that I feel like if I DO track my intake, I'll end up beating myself up for eating what feels like too much However, if I DON'T track my intake, I worry that I will grossly overestimate my calories and underestimate my energy expenditures and subsequently have a calories deficit most days, leading to further weight loss.

Has anybody come up against something like this? Any ideas/what has worked for you?

Thanks!

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  • I first started using MFP because I thought I wanted to lose about a stone of fat before bulking up with muscle. I realise this was the wrong way to go about it now, but MFP really helped me to keep an accurate check of what I was putting in my body foodwise.

    Now I need to put weight back on, i.e. to "bulk up", and I'm still using MFP as it still gives me that accurate record.

    I've been beating myself up a bit as I increased from 1200 to 1380 and struggling to actually eat enough calories (not good to suddenly increase up to what MFP says I should be eating, which is 2070 calories!!), and this week I'm increasing to 1500 calories.

    I'd say the TYPE of calories are most important, and the other functions of MFP (Nutrition chart etc.) should also be used.

    Don't rely solely on MFP, but use it as another tool in the whole dieting battle. The main thing is to ensure you are on a BALANCED diet. Use MFP just as a record, that's what I'm doing.

    Hope that helps.
  • Ulwaz
    Ulwaz Posts: 380 Member
    Really if you are trying to gain i wouldnt worry about counting calories, but since you are male i would have never dropped your calories that low, its bad for your body! Just try and eat healthy food, but if you are worried you won eat enough calories in the day, maybe track it for a week or so, eat healthy/calorie dense foods if you struggle with big meals (milk, eggs, chicken, fish, potatoes, pasta, rice, bread, olive oil, peanut butter, yoghurt, cheese, red meat, nuts, dried fruit, bananas, avocados)
  • steve0820
    steve0820 Posts: 510 Member
    Soo I am trying to gain weight and I can't decide whether or not tracking my calories for the day is going to cause more harm than good. I am trying to recover from a restrictive eating disorder (still a work in progress) coupled with compulsive exercise tendencies (which I have somewhat gotten under control).

    The thing with the restricting is that I feel like if I DO track my intake, I'll end up beating myself up for eating what feels like too much However, if I DON'T track my intake, I worry that I will grossly overestimate my calories and underestimate my energy expenditures and subsequently have a calories deficit most days, leading to further weight loss.

    Has anybody come up against something like this? Any ideas/what has worked for you?

    Thanks!

    If you still want a way to track without seeing a number, so it doesn't bother you, you can try hand/fist way of tracking. Your portions are either a hand size or fist size, track that, and determine weight gain or loss day to day, week to week.. Obviously not as accurate as MFP, but since you're trying to bulk, that's not an huge issue, and still gives you a method to track.
  • ParkerH47
    ParkerH47 Posts: 463 Member
    If you feel like tracking contributes to this compulsive side of you, it might be a good idea to try taking a break from MFP for maybe a couple weeks or a months - track your weight once a week and see how you do. If you're happy with that progress than maybe you don't need MFP? You can always come back to us if winging it doesn't feel right :)
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    If you are trying to gain weight to recover from a restrictive ED then my advice is no, you should probably not be counting calories. Just eat more. Especially include full fat dairy, lots of nuts and oils, and drink extra calories as well. Snack constantly and have three big meals a day. Have creamy sauce with everything! Of course, if you are unable to eat enough with this intuitive approach (i.e. you notice you aren't gaining weight), then you should start counting to try and see where you can sneak more calories into your diet. Good luck. Recovery is a hard road <3
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
    I'm not an expert, but from what I understand, calorie counting and recovery from restrictive eating disorders don't go well together. Are you getting professional support in your recovery?
  • kdeaux1959
    kdeaux1959 Posts: 2,675 Member
    Set a MINIMUM calorie intake per day and strive to hit it. I would set as a goal to gain a pound per week and by all means lift and lift heavy. Exercise is not a bad thing as long as it is done for the right reason and with the right moderation.
  • Yes.

    You should be looking to slow bulk which means eating approx 300 calories above maintenance. Once you get a good feel for what the portions equal then you can stop counting.

    Obviously if you go under, you won't gain muscle. If you go over by too much, say 800, you'll get fat as well as put on the muscle.
  • matt6050
    matt6050 Posts: 56 Member
    Thanks all for the input! I am having weekly check ins with a treatment team, so I think I may try and do it intuitively at this point, just because i think that attaching numbers to things right now is counter productive. However, if my team and I aren't seeing progress I may get a little more meticulous about tracking intake to see if I can't meet my calorie requirements daily.

    Thanks again for the input and suggestions :)
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    I'm not an expert, but from what I understand, calorie counting and recovery from restrictive eating disorders don't go well together. Are you getting professional support in your recovery?

    yeah those things throw red flags.

    get your relationship with food fixed up- good that you are getting help.

    Set a MINIMUM to hit. the problem with not counting - or keep track somehow is that bulking over a period of time is difficult- your body is seeking equilibrium and kind of a homeostatic place. Unfortunately your sense of that is a little skewed- and over the period of several months- it's easy to eat less and less- it's HARD to constantly over eat for weeks on end- your body does not like it. So odds are you are going to sell yourself a little short on the food. That would be my only caution.
  • AliceDark
    AliceDark Posts: 3,886 Member
    This is just something to think about...

    People with histories of disordered eating patterns or unhealthy relationships with food can have a hard time eating intuitively because we don't interpret hunger cues appropriately. Especially when you're talking about restrictive eating, most of us have a lot of practice at ignoring hunger signals and little experience responding to hunger by eating a reasonable amount. If you're relying on hunger to tell you when and how much to eat, you're going to be relying on a behavior you probably haven't practiced a lot. (I'm making a lot of assumptions, and I realize that. Like I said, it's just something to think about. I'm not making any recommendations).

    Bulking is a whole different animal even from learning how to eat "normally." Not only do you have to be able to trust yourself to eat sufficiently in response to hunger, but a lot of the time you have to eat more than you think your body is asking you to do. Just from my own personal experience and with my history, it's impossible for me to eat at a surplus intuitively. I tried "just eating more" for a few months before I realized that I can't do it without tracking. My default setting is to eat a little bit less every time I eat, then wait a little longer in between each meal, and I chip away at my surplus until I'm right back in my (unhealthy) comfort zone.
  • jess1992uga
    jess1992uga Posts: 603 Member
    If you are working with a team I would ask them for a meal plan. I went away from calorie counting and into exchange based meal plan and it has done wonders. Wish hadn't ever tried cal counting to recover...it did more harm than good.
  • matt6050
    matt6050 Posts: 56 Member
    If you are working with a team I would ask them for a meal plan. I went away from calorie counting and into exchange based meal plan and it has done wonders. Wish hadn't ever tried cal counting to recover...it did more harm than good.

    I know that using exchanges works really well for some people, but I'm really bad at trying to convert everything into exchanges, unfortunately. Calories are a much more straightforward way to work for me and that's just kind of the operating system I'm used to. If I weren't like that, I would totally try that, but in my past experiences with trying exchange programs, it's just been to tough to follow, you know? thanks for the suggestion though!
  • matt6050
    matt6050 Posts: 56 Member

    Bulking is a whole different animal even from learning how to eat "normally." Not only do you have to be able to trust yourself to eat sufficiently in response to hunger, but a lot of the time you have to eat more than you think your body is asking you to do. Just from my own personal experience and with my history, it's impossible for me to eat at a surplus intuitively. I tried "just eating more" for a few months before I realized that I can't do it without tracking. My default setting is to eat a little bit less every time I eat, then wait a little longer in between each meal, and I chip away at my surplus until I'm right back in my (unhealthy) comfort zone.

    I definitely struggle with this type of behavior, especially when it comes to eating at normalized times; I continuously push off eating thinking that I can "make it up later" which leaves me with a deficit at the end of the day... :/ I think that a meal plan may be best at this point. Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it!
  • AliceDark
    AliceDark Posts: 3,886 Member
    I definitely struggle with this type of behavior, especially when it comes to eating at normalized times; I continuously push off eating thinking that I can "make it up later" which leaves me with a deficit at the end of the day... :/ I think that a meal plan may be best at this point. Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it!
    I did that a lot when I first started trying to gain. People who haven't tried doing this think it would be wonderful to get to the end of the day and have 500-800 calories left over that you need to eat, but after the first couple of times it just sucks. I did discover that chunky peanut butter on cookie dough ice cream is really awesome! (But it's really not if you have to eat it every day).
  • mank32
    mank32 Posts: 1,323 Member
    lurker tagged :flowerforyou:
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    If I didn't track my intake, I would maintain at best. Generally satisfied at 400 under target.
  • zella1100
    zella1100 Posts: 19 Member
    Today I updated my goals here on MFP to maintain weight, but I got a shock when it added 800 calories (1700 calorie daily goal). I don't believe this is correct for me. I'm going to put the weight back on. I was eating that many calories when I was 130 pounds. That's not the weight I want. I'm thinking I'm going to have to play with the numbers on my goal to find a good calorie amount that will not have me lose too much or gain too much. Everyone is different and I don't think the automatic system is working for me.