Food Addiction
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Thank you,and much appreciated!0
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For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
I like how all the supporting information links in the first article link you to another article on the same site or that authority nutrition site. Oh, look, the author's free e-book on food addiction is available on….the authority nutrition site!
Yep
I have dealt with both addiction and with compulsive behavior. They are two *VERY* different things. Counseling is how I pulled out of compulsive behavior, but I still can't kick the addiction.0 -
In......for reading about people making excuses to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.
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Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
compulsive behavior =/= addiction
I've dealt with both, still trying to overcome addiction. So yeah....not ignorant...not in denial....not selling anything. I am fully aware that only I am responsible for my own actions. I fully admit that I have hurt myself, my family, and others. I have nothing left to sell.
These are real words with real meaning. Trying to conflate two different conditions and call them the same doesn't change facts.0 -
Ok whether or not food addiction exsists. You still have to be responsible for your actions and chioces. You cant just think its a addiction and take no responsability for the poor choices.0
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You being a nurse means nothing in knowing how people actually feel. I work in EMS and respond to 911 emergencies every day here in NYC, that doesn't mean I know what my patients feel. I love can imagine what they feel and maybe sympathize. I have knowledge gained through the teachings and the years I've been working but that doesn't actually mean I "know" how it feels when my patients are having an MI or or a CVA. We know the signs, symptoms would feel like and we can provide treatment but that doesn't mean we actually know what it feels like.
Oh brother. Typical response from you.
^^^^For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
+1. There are peer-reviewed articles with excellent research showing the effects of eating/overeating on the brain. Those with food addiction have the same change in dopamine receptors as those addicted to alcohol, cocaine, gambling and sex.
Now I'm giggling - at you rushbabe!
http://foodaddictioninstitute.org/scientific-research/physical-craving-and-food-addiction-a-scientific-review/
Peer-reviewed articles (you DO know what a peer-reviewed article is, right RushBabe? :huh: )
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0074832
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280926
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12055324
Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
If people want to start comparing eating to drug addiction and start ranting about dopamine release, you know what else increases dopamine?
Thrill seeking activities
Setting goals and achieving them
Thyrosin
Sleep
Exercise
Why is it people don't take one of those routes but instead choose cake, cookies, McDonalds etc.....
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
No, but I'm a nurse and I work with alcoholics and drug addicts literally every working day.No [food] blackout. Have you ever suffered from [food]holism? Have you ever been addicted to [food]? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
Actually, thrill-seeking personalities do have a kind of addiction to the adrenaline rush of thrill-seeking activities. People with depression tend to sleep - a lot - and chronic depression is known to be an imbalance of brain chemistry. I've known people who will exercise to the point of exhaustion or injury . . . hmmmmmmmmmm
I can't even tell you how many nurses every day want to talk to me about food and what they should eat, how many times, what pill they should take, how much cardio to do and how they heard Dr. Oz say something great. Being a nurse does not hold you on a higher platform because I see the ignorance and misconceptions running rampant daily in the health care field.
And what was the purpose of changing my quote to say food over and over.
If I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.0 -
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
And.....I have had blackouts from alcohol without being addicted to it. Binge drinking, like binge eating, is often a behavioral disorder. I can drink alcohol now without abusing it. It's not a coping mechanism for me anymore. But nicotine? *sigh*
People often use the word "addiction" to mean something different from what it actually is. Addiction is a medical condition. Binge eating, bulimia, anorexia, etc, are all psychological conditions that may or may not lead to a health condition down the road. That's not to say that one is worse/better than the other, but simply to point out that they are different things. I firmly believe in calling things what they are, not what they are not.0 -
If I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
I would never use either of those words, but based on your perspective of them, I have been both.
ETA: Counseling is what taught me the difference between addiction and compulsion and how to change the things I can, to accept the things I can't, and to honestly deal with the things I must without hurting myself.0 -
For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
It's difficult for me to have a serious conversation about "food addiction" when I think it's a load of BS, but whatever.
*giggle*
Wow, you have no compassion whatsoever.
Food addiction is REAL. I live with someone that is addicted to sugar. Has withdrawal symptoms just like an alcoholic or drug addict.
Are you so perfect that you think that it is made up or something??? Well, its NOT.0 -
Food addiction sounds more like disordered eating to me, IMO...0
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For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
It's difficult for me to have a serious conversation about "food addiction" when I think it's a load of BS, but whatever.
*giggle*
Wow, you have no compassion whatsoever.
Food addiction is REAL. I live with someone that is addicted to sugar. Has withdrawal symptoms just like an alcoholic or drug addict.
Are you so perfect that you think that it is made up or something??? Well, its NOT.
So what happens when they eat any fruit or any carb at all? What about lactose etc? What if they eat a few eggs which has evil sugar in them? Goes nuts on them?0 -
Oh brother. Typical response from you.
^^^^For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
+1. There are peer-reviewed articles with excellent research showing the effects of eating/overeating on the brain. Those with food addiction have the same change in dopamine receptors as those addicted to alcohol, cocaine, gambling and sex.
Now I'm giggling - at you rushbabe!
http://foodaddictioninstitute.org/scientific-research/physical-craving-and-food-addiction-a-scientific-review/
Peer-reviewed articles (you DO know what a peer-reviewed article is, right RushBabe? :huh: )
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0074832
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280926
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12055324
Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
If people want to start comparing eating to drug addiction and start ranting about dopamine release, you know what else increases dopamine?
Thrill seeking activities
Setting goals and achieving them
Thyrosin
Sleep
Exercise
Why is it people don't take one of those routes but instead choose cake, cookies, McDonalds etc.....
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
No, but I'm a nurse and I work with alcoholics and drug addicts literally every working day.No [food] blackout. Have you ever suffered from [food]holism? Have you ever been addicted to [food]? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
Actually, thrill-seeking personalities do have a kind of addiction to the adrenaline rush of thrill-seeking activities. People with depression tend to sleep - a lot - and chronic depression is known to be an imbalance of brain chemistry. I've known people who will exercise to the point of exhaustion or injury . . . hmmmmmmmmmm
As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive. This can include
Any drug
Alcohol
Food
Sex
Internet Use
Gaming
Shopping
Pornography
Exercise
Gambling
Bodybuilding
Shoplifting
Coffee
TV
ETA - Tanning!
And the list grows on...
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)0 -
If I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.0 -
I actually read the book "Your Food is Fooling You" a few months ago, and it was an extremely insightful read.
Willpower is key, but food addition is real. Addiction to crack, heroine, nicotine, etc is real and no one sits around calling it "a load of bs". Well, narcissists with an inability to sympathize with the emotions, experiences or feelings of anyone but themselves might, but that can't be helped.
I like comedian Bill Engval's take on willpower:
"People keep asking me 'how'd you do it? How'd you quit smoking?' And I look at them confused and say "Well...I quit putting them in my mouth and lighting them."
Same applies to food. Unfortunately.0 -
Exactly!As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive.
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)0 -
Oh brother. Typical response from you.
^^^^For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
+1. There are peer-reviewed articles with excellent research showing the effects of eating/overeating on the brain. Those with food addiction have the same change in dopamine receptors as those addicted to alcohol, cocaine, gambling and sex.
Now I'm giggling - at you rushbabe!
http://foodaddictioninstitute.org/scientific-research/physical-craving-and-food-addiction-a-scientific-review/
Peer-reviewed articles (you DO know what a peer-reviewed article is, right RushBabe? :huh: )
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0074832
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280926
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12055324
Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
If people want to start comparing eating to drug addiction and start ranting about dopamine release, you know what else increases dopamine?
Thrill seeking activities
Setting goals and achieving them
Thyrosin
Sleep
Exercise
Why is it people don't take one of those routes but instead choose cake, cookies, McDonalds etc.....
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
No, but I'm a nurse and I work with alcoholics and drug addicts literally every working day.No [food] blackout. Have you ever suffered from [food]holism? Have you ever been addicted to [food]? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
Actually, thrill-seeking personalities do have a kind of addiction to the adrenaline rush of thrill-seeking activities. People with depression tend to sleep - a lot - and chronic depression is known to be an imbalance of brain chemistry. I've known people who will exercise to the point of exhaustion or injury . . . hmmmmmmmmmm
As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive. This can include
Any drug
Alcohol
Food
Sex
Internet Use
Gaming
Shopping
Pornography
Exercise
Gambling
Bodybuilding
Shoplifting
Coffee
TV
ETA - Tanning!
And the list grows on...
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)
The DSM-5 labels them as disorders, which is not a medical condition, but a psychological one.
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Substance Use Disorder Fact Sheet.pdf0 -
BOOMIf I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.0
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