This topic will end all diet misconceptions. *READ*

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  • dholno
    dholno Posts: 14
    I'm going to make this a real to-the-point topic. Too many diet myths and misconceptions have been circulating in our modern society and culture about weight loss

    I understand where are you coming from but I don't really agree with your comments.

    IMO, the biggest myth and misconception with diets is putting only "calories in vs calories out" as the Holy Grail above everything else.

    Detaching weight loss from health and a balance diet only (in the majority of the cases) perpetuate a poor health, a yo yo dieting and a very unsustainable dietary and life style habits in the long run.

    Sure statistically the maths always work (calories + / Calories -) whatever you eat but the question is not in there but in having a sustainable healthy weight in the LONG RUN . There is where most of the so call "myths" you mentioned become almost mandatory realities (like eating breakfas for example) if you want to maintain a healthy weight and avoid been a permanent dieter.

    DH
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    This has all been said ad nauseam 50 million times a day on these boards. Why do you think this post in particular is going to end anything?
  • K_Train450
    K_Train450 Posts: 122 Member
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    I'm going to make this a real to-the-point topic. Too many diet myths and misconceptions have been circulating in our modern society and culture about weight loss

    I understand where are you coming from but I don't really agree with your comments.

    IMO, the biggest myth and misconception with diets is putting only "calories in vs calories out" as the Holy Grail above everything else.

    Detaching weight loss from health and a balance diet only (in the majority of the cases) perpetuate a poor health, a yo yo dieting and a very unsustainable dietary and life style habits in the long run.

    Sure statistically the maths always work (calories + / Calories -) whatever you eat but the question is not in there but in having a sustainable healthy weight in the LONG RUN . There is where most of the so call "myths" you mentioned become almost mandatory realities (like eating breakfas for example) if you want to maintain a healthy weight and avoid been a permanent dieter.

    DH
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    Hate to break it to you but calories in vs calories out IS the holy grail of weight loss. It is the basis of all "diets". Is it hard to maintain? Yeah. But restricting calories isn't suppose to be simple. I see where you're coming from in the sense of maintaining weight and living a healthy lifestyle after the weight loss, but that's not what this topic is about. I never said you couldn't eat breakfast, I said the benefits from doing so are exaggerated. It's solely up to the individual how they approach their lifestyle after they lost the weight they needed to. My aim is to assist people that need to lose weight by suggesting there are very restrictive " rules" you don't need to follow, not maintain a healthy lifestyle. Even the idea of a " healthy lifestyle" is subjective.

    If you believe the idea of "everything in moderation/ calorie in vs out" would cause more instances of yo yo dieting than the alternatives that restrict certain types of foods you are mistaken.

    Also to add - it's not almost mandatory in reality to eat breakfast to "maintain weight". Plenty of people do not eat breakfast. You are insinuating I'm saying to not eat breakfast, I'm not.
  • _lyndseybrooke_
    _lyndseybrooke_ Posts: 2,561 Member
    I agree for the most part, but the breakfast thing bothers me - if people aren't hungry in the morning and would rather not eat until lunch, that's fine for them. However, I don't think people should be encouraged to skip any meal for the sake of "saving" calories for later. It's a personal choice. I, for one, choose to eat.
  • K_Train450
    K_Train450 Posts: 122 Member
    This has all been said ad nauseam 50 million times a day on these boards. Why do you think this post in particular is going to end anything?

    Already covered I needed to change the title and I apologized. I'm relatively new here and I post topics that I think will help or guide people, period. I don't seek out other instances of what I said by other people and not post because the information was said ad nauseum "50 million times". The points I said in initial post are authentic talking points.
  • K_Train450
    K_Train450 Posts: 122 Member
    I agree for the most part, but the breakfast thing bothers me - if people aren't hungry in the morning and would rather not eat until lunch, that's fine for them. However, I don't think people should be encouraged to skip any meal for the sake of "saving" calories for later. It's a personal choice. I, for one, choose to eat.

    And you have every right to. If that's what you want to do with your lifestyle/diet more power to you I'm glad. I simply refuted the claim that breakfast has a lot of benefits.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    This has all been said ad nauseam 50 million times a day on these boards. Why do you think this post in particular is going to end anything?

    Already covered I needed to change the title and I apologized. I'm relatively new here and I post topics that I think will help or guide people, period. I don't seek out other instances of what I said by other people and not post because the information was said ad nauseum "50 million times". The points I said in initial post are authentic talking points.
    I agree. And I agree with pretty much everything you said. But the idea that you are the messiah who will end the debate is a bit niave. :smile:

    Even if I never came to MFP, the conversations in my daily life and what I see on FB would tell me that much. But hopefully you touched one person and converted him or her to reason and sanity.
  • K_Train450
    K_Train450 Posts: 122 Member
    This has all been said ad nauseam 50 million times a day on these boards. Why do you think this post in particular is going to end anything?

    Already covered I needed to change the title and I apologized. I'm relatively new here and I post topics that I think will help or guide people, period. I don't seek out other instances of what I said by other people and not post because the information was said ad nauseum "50 million times". The points I said in initial post are authentic talking points.
    I agree. And I agree with pretty much everything you said. But the idea that you are the messiah who will end the debate is a bit niave. :smile:

    Even if I never came to MFP, the conversations in my daily life and what I see on FB would tell me that much. But hopefully you touched one person and converted him or her to reason and sanity.

    I know I'm not a messiah I'm just so used to years ago on MFP when people circulated the points I said in my initial post. I feel like I have to change everyone for some reason. Weird.
  • EllieB_5
    EllieB_5 Posts: 247 Member
    * Eat "clean" foods and cut out soda/candy/etc etc.
    - If eating chicken and broccoli every day is your cup of tea by all means - eat "clean" and lose weight (you will if you are in a deficit which I will mention next). What people are quickly realizing is that you can consume ANYTHING you want, it doesn't matter what you eat - as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.

    This does not work for me, as I'm sure it does not work for diabetics either. I can not consume anything I want and I do need to "eat clean". Before someone points out that calorie deficits and blood sugar spikes are separate issues, let me assure you they are not. Eating refined carbs and sugars (even from a big bowl of fruit) will, due to reactive hypoglycemia, cause my blood sugars to drop. This drop wreaks havoc in general but also means I need to consume more in a sad attempt to regulate my blood sugar. This regulation is near to impossible if I'm filling up on the foods that cause the blood sugar spikes and resulting drastic drop. What this equals is no calorie deficit by the end of the day in that sad and pathetic cycle of spikes, drops, feeds. Even barring diabetes and any type of blood sugar regulation issues, everyone experiences spikes and drops when eating refined carbs and sugars; any drop in blood sugar causes one to feel hungry whether or not one requires more fuel (this is scientifically sound).

    When I eat "clean foods" and follow a low carb regime I do not have those horrid symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia. I do believe the "eat what you want as long as you're in a calorie deficit" is another diet myth. Watch Globesity and Way Beyond Weight on YouTube for a better idea as to why I believe this is yet another dieting myth.
    I agree for the most part, but the breakfast thing bothers me - if people aren't hungry in the morning and would rather not eat until lunch, that's fine for them. However, I don't think people should be encouraged to skip any meal for the sake of "saving" calories for later. It's a personal choice. I, for one, choose to eat.
    Agreed.
    IMO, the biggest myth and misconception with diets is putting only "calories in vs calories out" as the Holy Grail above everything else.

    Detaching weight loss from health and a balance diet only (in the majority of the cases) perpetuate a poor health, a yo yo dieting and a very unsustainable dietary and life style habits in the long run.
    This. Eating nothing but processed ready-meals and other processed food products is not conducive to health. If all one wants is to lose weight and health can go out the window then by all means praise the glory of "calories in vs calories out". Otherwise, yes, there is far more to losing weight to be healthy than merely counting calories.
  • K_Train450
    K_Train450 Posts: 122 Member
    * Eat "clean" foods and cut out soda/candy/etc etc.
    - If eating chicken and broccoli every day is your cup of tea by all means - eat "clean" and lose weight (you will if you are in a deficit which I will mention next). What people are quickly realizing is that you can consume ANYTHING you want, it doesn't matter what you eat - as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.

    This does not work for me, as I'm sure it does not work for diabetics either. I can not consume anything I want and I do need to "eat clean". Before someone points out that calorie deficits and blood sugar spikes are separate issues, let me assure you they are not. Eating refined carbs and sugars (even from a big bowl of fruit) will, due to reactive hypoglycemia, cause my blood sugars to drop. This drop wreaks havoc in general but also means I need to consume more in a sad attempt to regulate my blood sugar. This regulation is near to impossible if I'm filling up on the foods that cause the blood sugar spikes and resulting drastic drop. What this equals is no calorie deficit by the end of the day in that sad and pathetic cycle of spikes, drops, feeds. Even barring diabetes and any type of blood sugar regulation issues, everyone experiences spikes and drops when eating refined carbs and sugars; any drop in blood sugar causes one to feel hungry whether or not one requires more fuel (this is scientifically sound).

    When I eat "clean foods" and follow a low carb regime I do not have those horrid symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia. I do believe the "eat what you want as long as you're in a calorie deficit" is another diet myth. Watch Globesity and Way Beyond Weight on YouTube for a better idea as to why I believe this is yet another dieting myth.
    I agree for the most part, but the breakfast thing bothers me - if people aren't hungry in the morning and would rather not eat until lunch, that's fine for them. However, I don't think people should be encouraged to skip any meal for the sake of "saving" calories for later. It's a personal choice. I, for one, choose to eat.
    Agreed.
    IMO, the biggest myth and misconception with diets is putting only "calories in vs calories out" as the Holy Grail above everything else.

    Detaching weight loss from health and a balance diet only (in the majority of the cases) perpetuate a poor health, a yo yo dieting and a very unsustainable dietary and life style habits in the long run.
    This. Eating nothing but processed ready-meals and other processed food products is not conducive to health. If all one wants is to lose weight and health can go out the window then by all means praise the glory of "calories in vs calories out". Otherwise, yes, there is far more to losing weight to be healthy than merely counting calories.

    Yet again I have to point out I'm giving suggestions and refuting things based on LOSING WEIGHT. I understand there are many factors that are tied into a healthy lifestyle. You are one of the small percentage that cannot eat what you want, and there is nothing wrong with that (you are the exception). From a PURELY weight loss standpoint excluding additional details that form a " healthy lifestyle" it is calories in vs calories out, period. You can achieve that through low carb, paleo, etc etc doesn't matter. This is the final time I'm stating this - my topic is intended to disprove the notions you have to eat a certain way to lose weight. There are obvious exceptions, not only a medical basis (diabetics etc) but a personal basis as well (eating clean works best for you). The notion of saying calories in vs calories out is a "myth" is ludicrous, because it isn't (weight loss wise).

    If you wanted a topic about how to live a healthy lifestyle and it's many details you have came to the wrong topic. This topic is to clear the air of old "laws" of dieting.
  • jennk5309
    jennk5309 Posts: 206 Member
    But I need to eat breakfast in the morning to avoid going to jail- because I might get so cranky that I'll kill someone. Lol. Forget metabolism.....I eat breakfast for my sanity.