How to break plateau/weight creeping up

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agalassie
agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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I have posted similar before, but I am getting really frustrated. I have been on the site for over a year and have lost about 40 pounds. I still have about 25 to go to reach my goal. In the past 6 months, I have lost nothing and have regained roughly 5 pounds. I know that weight loss is not all downhill, but it makes me nervous that it is slowly creeping up. I also know that everyone will say that it means I am eating higher than my deficit. I currently have a net calorie goal of 1460 for a 0.5 lb/week weight loss, as it puts me to 1200 calories for a 1 lb/week weight loss and that made me miserable. I do weigh and measure my foods and log them as such. I know I have had a bad day here and there for calories, but overall, I haven't done too bad. I workout 6 days a week with 20-30 cardio (running, elliptical, bike) in addition to strength training (4 day split). Are there any other suggestions that may help?
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  • Branstin
    Branstin Posts: 2,320 Member
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    Those bad days here and there could be the cause. Calories add up quickly. Are you drinking pleny of water?
  • jlynnm70
    jlynnm70 Posts: 460 Member
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    Look at something other than just your scale......
    Do you notice clothes fitting different, etc. -- my scale sometimes doesn't move, but if I take my measurements I notice a difference.
  • Vicxie86
    Vicxie86 Posts: 181 Member
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    What i would actually suggest is to eat at maintenance for 1-2 weeks, you will gain some water weight but nothing to panic over. Then go back to eating at a deficit and see if the scale goes down.
  • agalassie
    agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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    I drink between 9 -12 glasses of water a day. And measurements have changed slightly, but barely and clothes have fit the same for the 6 months this has been going on.
  • Greenrun99
    Greenrun99 Posts: 2,065 Member
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    how often do you weigh yourself and do you keep track of your daily read.. that way you can start to form a trend of what is going on... I would do that, keep track and then you can see what your body is doing daily..

    the maintenance idea is good as well if its been awhile. Could also switch up your macro's.
  • Branstin
    Branstin Posts: 2,320 Member
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    Perhaps eating at your Net Calories without going over for a few more weeks would do the trick. Since you are only set to lose .5lb. a week, one bad day a week would knock that right out. Your exercise and water are good. Since you loss before so there aren't any medical issues. I would certainly revisit my food and calories.
  • agalassie
    agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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    I actually weigh myself every morning so I do see the daily fluctuations, but I only record once a week and that is what I pay attention to for the long-term trends, and that is where I have noticed the slow creep-up
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I have posted similar before, but I am getting really frustrated. I have been on the site for over a year and have lost about 40 pounds. I still have about 25 to go to reach my goal. In the past 6 months, I have lost nothing and have regained roughly 5 pounds. I know that weight loss is not all downhill, but it makes me nervous that it is slowly creeping up. I also know that everyone will say that it means I am eating higher than my deficit. I currently have a net calorie goal of 1460 for a 0.5 lb/week weight loss, as it puts me to 1200 calories for a 1 lb/week weight loss and that made me miserable. I do weigh and measure my foods and log them as such. I know I have had a bad day here and there for calories, but overall, I haven't done too bad. I workout 6 days a week with 20-30 cardio (running, elliptical, bike) in addition to strength training (4 day split). Are there any other suggestions that may help?

    40 lbs lost in how much time?

    And what was the supposed deficit during that time?

    Were you lifting during that loss?

    Current 6 day cardio with 4 day lifting.
    Is your focus on the lifting or the cardio?
    Meaning do you do the cardio hard all the time? Because that means the lifting is negatively impacted.
    Or is the cardio easy so you can lift heavy and really allow the repairs from a good lifting workout?

    Ever get bodyfat measured lately, or at least 2-3 estimates that are 5% accurate each?

    How is your activity level outside exercise, energetic for normal stuff, or feel tired?
    Is work really sedentary desk job 45 hrs with commute, is that what you have MFP set to?

    Any health issues you deal with, disease, ect?

    Here's where I'm going depending on answers to above - you may have lost more muscle mass than you know, meaning you don't burn as much daily as you think now.
    Depends on what happen during that 40 lb loss.

    Low energy levels would easily be the studied response of body to slow down spontaneous daily activity to conserve energy for required functions, because deficit is too great for it.

    When was your last exercise break?
    Along with last diet break? (though results would show that right now you are at diet break from maintenance, in other words, you are eating at maintenance).

    I always figure the question is, are you eating at potential maintenance, or suppressed maintenance?

    If at potential already because of less muscle mass, then you eat less.
    If at suppressed maintenance, eating less may shove it slower yet if room for movement, but eventually you would start losing. Just, don't you want to lose eating so little, and having first year of maintenance be very low while your body recovered, will you be successful with maintenance being 300-500 less than what it could be?

    I suggest that amount less because of recent studies.
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales/view/reduced-metabolism-tdee-beyond-expected-from-weight-loss-616251

    Edit to add - with suppressed maintenance and eating there now, it means every period of time you are going over is surplus, and fat added.
    So over 6 months 5 lbs is nothing. That could mean that for each week of that 6 months eating at suppressed maintenance, for 1 day you ate 729 extra calories. That is easily possible for a weekend meal splurge.
  • Ladylori1975
    Ladylori1975 Posts: 25 Member
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    I'm not expert but what has worked for me in the past is switching up my workout schedule to keep my body guessing. For example swimming, cardio kickboxing, and a body pump class (weight lifting) one week and then doing a dance cardio, circuit training (bursts of jump roping, burpees, squats, leg lunges, ect), and yoga the next week. I always vary my routine so I am working my muscles differently. The other thing I do is an all natural diet with the right pairing for each meal. I make everything whole made. Nothing comes premixed or out of a box. Their seems to be a lot of fillers and additives in food these days that your body can't break down. Hope this helps a little bit. Good luck! Hang in there. And never give up!
  • agalassie
    agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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    I lost the 40 pounds between mid-Feb to October of this past year, and I had that set at 1 lb/week loss. I was lifting at that time, but I have increased it a bit since then. At the current moment, cardio is my main focus, as my first 5K is scheduled for next weekend, and cardio let me have a few more calories to eat. My body fat percentage has decreased since I first started my weight-loss journey, but has stayed about the same in the past 3-ish months. My work has become slightly more sedentary since the plateau, but I have MFP set to sedentary to begin with. I haven't really had a formal diet or exercise break, but I did have to decrease exercise a lot last week due to the need to rest a tendon in my ankle, and I have had days of eating higher than the deficit, which I count as a diet break.

    Thanks for all the helpful suggestions!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I lost the 40 pounds between mid-Feb to October of this past year, and I had that set at 1 lb/week loss. I was lifting at that time, but I have increased it a bit since then. At the current moment, cardio is my main focus, as my first 5K is scheduled for next weekend, and cardio let me have a few more calories to eat. My body fat percentage has decreased since I first started my weight-loss journey, but has stayed about the same in the past 3-ish months. My work has become slightly more sedentary since the plateau, but I have MFP set to sedentary to begin with. I haven't really had a formal diet or exercise break, but I did have to decrease exercise a lot last week due to the need to rest a tendon in my ankle, and I have had days of eating higher than the deficit, which I count as a diet break.

    Thanks for all the helpful suggestions!

    40 lbs if fat x 3500 = 140,000 deficit calories / 31 weeks = 4516 weekly deficit.

    You had set a 3500 cal deficit.

    So you lost more than your setting, which either means your maintenance was higher than MFP estimated and therefore you had bigger deficit than expected. But by 1000 calories weekly, or 142 daily on top of 500? Possibly.

    Now maybe you didn't log your lifting, or any exercise for that matter, and correctly eat those calories back to maintain that 1 lb loss deficit. That could also explain the bigger deficit.

    Did you and do you log your exercise and eat back the calories to keep that current 250 cal deficit, or have you made it bigger by not doing so?
    If you did NOT eat back exercise calories, was your average workouts you say only burning 1000 calories weekly?
    Sounds like you did though, so that's good, just want to confirm.

    Was BF% average for your weight then, or much higher? The point being you may, or may not, have lost muscle mass and have a slower metabolism than what MFP is doing the math on. For instance, if you lost 40 lbs but only 30 lbs of fat mass, well, we know.

    So after the 5K would be great time to take an exercise break.
    Only walk during your workout times. Log and eat back 85% of those calories. Keep the net eating goal the same.
    This should remove a great stress from your body.

    When you come back from that week off, start up exercise again, but take a diet break now to remove that stress. Change MFP settings to maintain.
    Log your workouts and still eat back 85% of them.
    Workouts should be real strong now with rest and eating more, your body will know what to do with extra calories for sure. You should be able to maintain any improvements once you go back into deficit.
    You should gain fast water weight. Always keep the math in mind, you'd have to eat 250 calories over maintenance for 2 weeks to see just 1 lb of gain - if fat. Faster is therefore water weight.

    Then the next week out take the deficit again with 0.5 lbs weekly setting.

    One suggestion since you mentioned wanting to eat more calories by burning more.
    Except for that week eating at maintenance, you aren't going to make that much improvement on the lifting eating in deficit anyway, and since done correctly with cardio supporting it, requires lots of energy for repair that you aren't eating, it'll just make you hungry.
    Suggest you go to heavy circuit training 3 times weekly. 5-7 lifts, 1 min rest max, 20 reps, 4 circuits. Logged as circuit training in MFP, much higher calorie burn than lifting, but done right you can maintain progress from lifting.
    With dumbbells and lat-pull down machine if you can, or lat pull-over if not.
    Squats, lat pulldown, straight-leg deadlift, bench press, stomach, shoulder press.

    1 day a week keep your lifting if desired. You'll need to throw split routine back together, keep the bigger stuff. For time and energy to finish, you may need to reduce the sets, but keep the reps and most importantly the working weight. Actually, with 1 less set, increase the weight slightly.

    If those 2 weeks of taking some stress off the body don't work, I'm betting you'll need a longer diet break, slowly increasing calories to get your metabolism back to par.
  • agalassie
    agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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    Thank you so much. I log my cardio workouts, since I wear a HRM (Polar FT4), so I can have a general estimate for that. I don't log the weight lifting since it is difficult to estimate. I aim to eat back only 75% of the exercise calories, but sometimes I do eat back all if I am just hungry. When I first started, my BF% was really high, and now I have it down to still elevated, but getting towards the "high" side of normal for my age, so that is a good improvement.

    Again, thank you so much for these insights!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    If you are fit now, and you likely are with doing cardio that whole time, the Polar is underestimating your calorie burn for sure if your BMI is still above healthy range. It assumes bad BMI bad fitness level, which isn't true anymore.
    That assumption means low HR means low calorie burn, which isn't true either. The more fit you are (higher VO2max), the more work you can do at a lower HR.

    I'd log the weight lifting, it's not that difficult to estimate, the MFP entry for strength training may seem low, but it's actually based on good studies. That's weight lifting with reps and sets and rests of 2-4 min waiting to recharge to hit it hard again.
    If you do the circuit training suggested, that is listed under that and much higher calorie burn, which is true.

    So you really are eating with a much bigger deficit than you realize.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    Thank you so much. I log my cardio workouts, since I wear a HRM (Polar FT4), so I can have a general estimate for that. I don't log the weight lifting since it is difficult to estimate. I aim to eat back only 75% of the exercise calories, but sometimes I do eat back all if I am just hungry. When I first started, my BF% was really high, and now I have it down to still elevated, but getting towards the "high" side of normal for my age, so that is a good improvement.

    Again, thank you so much for these insights!
    I'm glad you said you use a heart rate monitor, because my first thought was that perhaps your calories burned are a bit overestimated. Have you properly calibrated your heart rate monitor and is the battery in good working order? Burning 250 calories running a 12 minute mile seems a bit much, but I could be wrong.

    Another question--when was the last time you allowed MFP to reset your calorie goal? Every ten pounds you lose you are supposed to recalculate because as you get smaller your need less calories.
  • Vicxie86
    Vicxie86 Posts: 181 Member
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    If you are fit now, and you likely are with doing cardio that whole time, the Polar is underestimating your calorie burn for sure if your BMI is still above healthy range. It assumes bad BMI bad fitness level, which isn't true anymore.
    That assumption means low HR means low calorie burn, which isn't true either. The more fit you are (higher VO2max), the more work you can do at a lower HR.

    I'd log the weight lifting, it's not that difficult to estimate, the MFP entry for strength training may seem low, but it's actually based on good studies. That's weight lifting with reps and sets and rests of 2-4 min waiting to recharge to hit it hard again.
    If you do the circuit training suggested, that is listed under that and much higher calorie burn, which is true.

    So you really are eating with a much bigger deficit than you realize.

    Playing thread jacker for a moment because i'm really glad to have read this. I have the same hrm as the OP and i have been battling with myself for 3 months not knowing whether the calories burned are accurate or if it is overestimating. For example, this morning, i stepped on my elliptical for 35mins for a low intensity workout, keeping my heart rate between 130-144 and my hrm reported 365kcal burned.

    I normally use shapesense.com to calculate my gross calories burned then convert it to net calories burned by using my reported average heart rate which was 137, it said my gross was 299 and my net kcal burned was 253. I also took the 365kcal to estimate my net kcal burned and got 319. Now, using my stats, which one is more likely to be accurate? Sorry if all the numbers have confused you.

    I realise there isn't that much difference between both net kcal but when i exercise at a moderate/high intensity level, the difference in kcal is usually higher. It would be great to know this because i want to fuel my body the right way and not let my metabolism suffer.

    Female
    187cm
    27yrs
    90.1kg (last confirmed 04.04)
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    If you are fit now, and you likely are with doing cardio that whole time, the Polar is underestimating your calorie burn for sure if your BMI is still above healthy range. It assumes bad BMI bad fitness level, which isn't true anymore.
    That assumption means low HR means low calorie burn, which isn't true either. The more fit you are (higher VO2max), the more work you can do at a lower HR.

    I'd log the weight lifting, it's not that difficult to estimate, the MFP entry for strength training may seem low, but it's actually based on good studies. That's weight lifting with reps and sets and rests of 2-4 min waiting to recharge to hit it hard again.
    If you do the circuit training suggested, that is listed under that and much higher calorie burn, which is true.

    So you really are eating with a much bigger deficit than you realize.

    Playing thread jacker for a moment because i'm really glad to have read this. I have the same hrm as the OP and i have been battling with myself for 3 months not knowing whether the calories burned are accurate or if it is overestimating. For example, this morning, i stepped on my elliptical for 35mins for a low intensity workout, keeping my heart rate between 130-144 and my hrm reported 365kcal burned.

    I normally use shapesense.com to calculate my gross calories burned then convert it to net calories burned by using my reported average heart rate which was 137, it said my gross was 299 and my net kcal burned was 253. I also took the 365kcal to estimate my net kcal burned and got 319. Now, using my stats, which one is more likely to be accurate? Sorry if all the numbers have confused you.

    I realise there isn't that much difference between both net kcal but when i exercise at a moderate/high intensity level, the difference in kcal is usually higher. It would be great to know this because i want to fuel my body the right way and not let my metabolism suffer.

    Female
    187cm
    27yrs
    90.1kg (last confirmed 04.04)

    My heart rate monitor is a Polar FT7. I put in the calorie amount it says I burned, and I successfully lost weight and have been maintaining. If it's burning too high or two low perhaps it is not properly calibrated.
  • Vicxie86
    Vicxie86 Posts: 181 Member
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    My heart rate monitor is a Polar FT7. I put in the calorie amount it says I burned, and I successfully lost weight and have been maintaining. If it's burning too high or two low perhaps it is not properly calibrated.

    I have my age, sex, height and weight inputted just fine, unless there's something else that i'm missing?
  • agalassie
    agalassie Posts: 48 Member
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    As far as I know, the HRM is calibrated properly. I've only had it since January, but I can try calibrating it again (just have to figure out how again). I did have MFP recalculate my goals as it suggests every 10 calories. Most recently though, I switched it from the 1 lb/week loss to the 0.5 lb/week loss because I just physically couldn't do 1200 calories and be a nice person, so I opted to lose slower and eat a little more, but it just isn't doing that.
  • pink_and_shiny
    pink_and_shiny Posts: 1,036 Member
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    I can totally relate to you! I had lost about 49 pounds when I got a new job and my lifestyle became sedentary, at least at the office. It is amazing how sitting at a desk fro 8 hours a day can throw your body for a loop, even though you're still eating at goal and exercising regularly. I've gained back about 19 pounds and am now reworking my weight loss strategies.

    Maybe start looking at WHAT you're eating vs. HOW MANY. For example, take a good look at how much processed sugar and non-whole food items are in your diet right now. Try shaking things up (after your 5K - don't want your tummy in a tizzy for that!!) food wise and see if that reignites your loss and breaks your plateau.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    My heart rate monitor is a Polar FT7. I put in the calorie amount it says I burned, and I successfully lost weight and have been maintaining. If it's burning too high or two low perhaps it is not properly calibrated.

    I have my age, sex, height and weight inputted just fine, unless there's something else that i'm missing?

    For a decent attempt at estimating calorie burn - the stat for VO2max.

    Polar is using your stats to estimate that figure.

    BMI (height and weight) is looked at to see where in range from good to bad (gender and age) you fall, and VO2max is based an that.

    Basically an assumption if bad BMI bad fitness level - which is not true at all.

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