Eating at a deficit but not losing fat or lbs.

I *thought* I was doing really well. I started lifting heavy in October (though, December was just a cardio month since my gym membership had lapsed). I have been eating around 1800-2200 calories and trying to hit my macros (averaging about 25-30% protein, 40-45% carbs, and the rest fat). Feel free to look at my diary (the past few days are not typical, I think I just got discouraged and kind of gave up trying to hit my macros and eat well). I know my diet isn't very clean, but it's a heck of a lot better than it used to be. My bodymedia fit shows me burning an average of 2700 calories a day. I am a SAHM and I'm on my feet a lot. I lift 3x a week (doing NROLFW now) and do 2-3x 20 min HIIT sessions after lifting and an extra hour or so of cardio 1x a week..

I haven't lost ANY fat since October. (I was tested at 34% in early October and 33.7% this Thursday). My weight (which I don't care as much about) has remained the same as well.

I would think that eating at a deficit of even 600 calories, I'd lose SOMETHING. Do I need to consider a reverse diet to get up to maintenance first? I had lost 30 lbs prior to October. I was eating about the same, but also breastfeeding (so burning more).

Any thoughts? Thanks!

ETA: Bodyfat was tested using calipers at the gym.

Edit: When I say "eating the same" I mean calorie-wise. It was probably mostly carbs and fat, though!
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  • wilsoje74
    wilsoje74 Posts: 1,720 Member
    Your diary is closed. You are eating at maintenance if you aren't losing. Try lowering cals or only eating back a portion of your exercise cals.
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    Take photos & measurements, too. But according to your diary you're not weighing your food, which means you're underestimating your calories. Weigh everything.

    Read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
  • angiek123
    angiek123 Posts: 29 Member
    Thanks. I am weighing my meat. But I will start weighing the rest too.
  • Newfiedan
    Newfiedan Posts: 1,517 Member
    Stress hormone for women can halt fat loss in its tracks just like it can for men, despite calories consumed. Skip breakfast decrease carbs and increase protein and see if that helps. Opt for eating your carbs at night, despite what many people will say otherwise, but I have been at this for a long time and have moved beyond the simpler concepts and broscience that gets spewed on here daily. Also opt for whole fats from animal sources as these are best.
  • angiek123
    angiek123 Posts: 29 Member
    Thank you. I workout after breakfast. Would you still recommend skipping breakfast? I feel like those carbs are what fuel my workouts.
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    It doesn't matter when you eat, as long as you stay within your calorie goal. It will take trial & error to find what works for you.

    Read the Sexypants link: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
  • MelissaPhippsFeagins
    MelissaPhippsFeagins Posts: 8,063 Member
    Thank you. I workout after breakfast. Would you still recommend skipping breakfast? I feel like those carbs are what fuel my workouts.

    Try it and see. The worst that happens is you go back to eating breakfast before your workouts. Everyone is different. I eat a Luna Bar first thing in the morning if I'm going to work out then have the rest of my breakfast calories at the end of the workout. (Only my Saturdays work out that way, but I feel sick if I work out after a full breakfast - Zumba, running, even coaching soccer.) But I do know a lot of lifters (even my hubby, when he lifted - need to get him back to the gym) who don't eat before a morning workout. You have to find what works for you.

    In the meantime, weigh it all, measure it all, eat half your exercise back and keep at it. Your body will catch up to your habits eventually. :drinker:
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Thank you. I workout after breakfast. Would you still recommend skipping breakfast? I feel like those carbs are what fuel my workouts.

    I need carbs first thing in the morning or I can't complete my workouts. Meal timing shouldn't matter except for adherence/performance issues. The overall calorie balance is what matters.

    I'd start with weighing all your food. If that doesn't work then drop your calories a bit.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Thank you. I workout after breakfast. Would you still recommend skipping breakfast? I feel like those carbs are what fuel my workouts.

    I would recommend structuring your carbohydrate timing around gym performance and personal preference. Simply moving carbs to evening, or skipping breakfast, while not changing your energy intake, isn't going to do anything significant.

    Start using a food scale for two weeks and see what happens.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Stress hormone for women can halt fat loss in its tracks just like it can for men, despite calories consumed. Skip breakfast decrease carbs and increase protein and see if that helps. Opt for eating your carbs at night, despite what many people will say otherwise, but I have been at this for a long time and have moved beyond the simpler concepts and broscience that gets spewed on here daily. Also opt for whole fats from animal sources as these are best.

    Let me make sure I understand this correctly: You're suggesting that she skip breakfast and eat her carbs at night and this is going to alter her hormones in such a manner as to cause fat loss despite not making any changes to energy intake?
  • angiek123
    angiek123 Posts: 29 Member
    Ok. Thank you. And thanks for linking the article. I find myself becoming increasingly frustrated because I do most of that stuff. I feel like I'm pretty meticulous about counting my food, and while I don't weigh it all, I do measure everything and weigh meat. My only other thought is that my BMF is overestimating my burn. I'm already pretty hungry on lifting days--even eating 2100 calories. Sounds like my only option is to drop my calories.
  • angiek123
    angiek123 Posts: 29 Member
    This may be off topic (or perhaps I'm grasping), but would birth control pills keep me from losing fat? Someone suggested that to me.
  • mycupyourcake
    mycupyourcake Posts: 279 Member
    Stress hormone for women can halt fat loss in its tracks just like it can for men, despite calories consumed. Skip breakfast decrease carbs and increase protein and see if that helps. Opt for eating your carbs at night, despite what many people will say otherwise, but I have been at this for a long time and have moved beyond the simpler concepts and broscience that gets spewed on here daily. Also opt for whole fats from animal sources as these are best.

    Seriously, what you just said is all broscience. There is no scientific evidence to back up the advice you just gave and you don't even explain why you are giving the advice.
  • OkamiLavande
    OkamiLavande Posts: 336 Member
    You are probably eating more than you think is really all it comes down to. If you aren't weighing and measuring everything that goes into your mouth you can be grossly underestimating your calorie intake. I've learned that the past few weeks with being sick.

    Also, do you count tasting food as you cook? And by count I mean log. Every little bite of anything that goes in your mouth HAS to be logged because a calorie is a calorie is a calorie no matter how small. Even Splenda has 2 calories and I never knew that before. So if you had 8 tsp of Splenda a day, which is the amount that is max, you'd be adding an extra ten calories that can really add up.

    Also are you drinking plenty of water? I notice that as a woman my weight loss is greatly improved when I drink plenty of water. I aim for 48-64 ozs a day if I can.

    Birth control won't stop you from losing weight, it will just make the process slower because depending on your birth control it's added hormones which makes weight loss more stubborn, but it doesn't stall it. It just is like little bumps in the road. I use the Nuva Ring personally and it is low on added hormones which means it doesn't influence my weight much.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    This may be off topic (or perhaps I'm grasping), but would birth control pills keep me from losing fat? Someone suggested that to me.

    They can make you hungrier. But I've never had any trouble losing weight with them, I just notice if I switch kinds or go off and then go back on there's a period of increased appetite.
  • RM10003
    RM10003 Posts: 316 Member
    Is it possible that the Bodymedia is calculating your burns too high? It sounds like you're doing some serious workouts, and it looks like you're about 10 years younger than me so you should still have a decent metabolism, but TDEE of 2700 sounds quite high, especially if you're not that overweight.
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    Ok. Thank you. And thanks for linking the article. I find myself becoming increasingly frustrated because I do most of that stuff. I feel like I'm pretty meticulous about counting my food, and while I don't weigh it all, I do measure everything and weigh meat. My only other thought is that my BMF is overestimating my burn. I'm already pretty hungry on lifting days--even eating 2100 calories. Sounds like my only option is to drop my calories.
    You have to weigh everything you eat—not just meat.

    Right now you're seriously underestimating your food. You can either start weighing everything, or you can lower your calorie goal to compensate for the margin of error in your calorie guesstimation.

    Either one will enable you to finally eat at a deficit. So pick the one that works best for you.
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    Yes, you're probably underestimating everything you eat.
  • angiek123
    angiek123 Posts: 29 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?
  • wonderwoman234
    wonderwoman234 Posts: 551 Member
    People who eat breakfast lose and keep it off more often (statistically speaking) than people who don't. It gets your metabolism activated right off the bat. Eating carbs for energy before you work out is a good idea. Fruit and yogurt are good options - anything that is 20 grams of carb or more. Make it low fat and low fiber so you don't upset your stomach.

    I suspect you are eating more than you think. I eat about 1650-1800 calories a day and weigh/measure and track everything but I am sure I am underestimating a bit. I work out 5-6 days a week, doing 5 days of heavy lifting (1 hour sessions) followed by 30 minutes of interval cardio. I am 46 years old. I lose 1 lb. per week doing this.

    In addition, you may be overestimating what you are burning. If you are running at high speed for an hour, you probably burn 700 calories, but most of us aren't doing that, so better to underestimate what you are burning off.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?

    I don't. Others do.

    I weigh things that come multiple servings per container (and that aren't pre-portioned, like I wouldn't weigh a slice of bread but I would weigh ice cream), things that I've made myself, and anything loose (fruits, veggies, butter, meats, flour is a BIG one, etc).
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?

    I weigh everything but yogurt/pudding cups pretty much, because that would be too much of a pain. Avocado and bananas I weigh without peel, peaches etc... I'm still not sure what you're supposed to do, lol.

    Also make sure to use the correct entries for raw vs cooked for meats, pasta etc.
  • andylowry
    andylowry Posts: 89
    ... Also opt for whole fats from animal sources as these are best.

    Let me be the first to welcome you to your new Statin prescription!
  • editorgrrl
    editorgrrl Posts: 7,060 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?
    Weigh everything means everything. The label of that bun will say 100 calories for one bun, then (probably in parentheses) it will specify a weight in grams. Weigh that bun. If it's more than specified, it's more than 100 calories.

    Learn to read labels. That can of tuna probably specifies a serving as x number of grams, drained. Weigh everything. For produce (and probably meat), look for USDA entries. They often specify whether it's peeled or not.

    Nobody thinks they're underestimating their food, but you're going to be shocked when you start weighing your food.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?

    I weigh everything but yogurt/pudding cups pretty much, because that would be too much of a pain. Avocado and bananas I weigh without peel, peaches etc... I'm still not sure what you're supposed to do, lol.

    Also make sure to use the correct entries for raw vs cooked for meats, pasta etc.

    This is important, imo.

    You've got to decide where the line is for yourself OP. And then realize that it's never going to be 100% perfect. The idea is to get it as close as you can without making yourself crazy. Like I know people who are fine with taking their food scale to a restaurant. I'm not one of those people. I just understand that when I say I'm eating 2000 calories, it's likely not *exactly* that amount.

    The trouble comes when you're relying on a burn estimate from a device like BMF and saying "well I have a 600 calorie deficit" when you likely don't, even if your BMF is right on. You should still be willing to adjust based on your actual results.
  • cmcoyle776
    cmcoyle776 Posts: 20 Member
    Is it possible that the Bodymedia is calculating your burns too high? It sounds like you're doing some serious workouts, and it looks like you're about 10 years younger than me so you should still have a decent metabolism, but TDEE of 2700 sounds quite high, especially if you're not that overweight.

    I was thinking the same. I'm also a SAHM, I'm on my feet most of the day, & and even on my Insanity workout days (I alternate Insanity w/ running 3-4 miles), I only burn 2300 calories at best. On a lazy day, I burn about 1600. I'm 38 & at 30% body fat, so not far off from you. Make sure you are weighing/measuring all your food/beverages & drinking plenty of water. Dehydration slows your metabolism.
  • Jewlz280
    Jewlz280 Posts: 547 Member
    I would say your issue is that your burn is reading too high and you aren't weighing (which has been mentioned). I don't work out as much as you do, so I don't eat back my cals. But my intake is still pretty high at 1600 to 1700. But I do weigh my food. I weigh meat, high fat content foods like peanut butter, butter, etc., AND high sugar foods like jelly and ice cream. I use to weigh things like bananas and apples, but after weighing for a while, I just eat them and log the one because most of the time I get really really close (within a few grams, actually). And since veg is so low cal, I don't stress over it and just eyeball things like lettuce. I don't fool with pre-packaged because I figure if I am slightly over-estimating on the others, then I am coming out pretty spot on. I want to lose and watch my portions, but not drive myself crazy! But I've been at this for a while and am on my last 'chunk' now and have kept the previous loss off. So, you can start weighing the things you've been eyeballing to see where you are at and then decide what to do from there. As another poster mentioned, you can either keep weighing or drop cals down to say, 1900. But for me, I'd do some little tweaks like not eating back all of your exercise and see how that goes. Then drop overall cals if that doesn't do much. Also, from your avatar, it doesn't look like you have far to go, so it is going to be slow going anyways. So, you have time to tweak and find what works. :smile:
  • Newfiedan
    Newfiedan Posts: 1,517 Member
    No I am simply saying that using the existing hormones to your advantage for fat loss just makes sense. 4 years of personal experimentation shows that it works. It is the main principle behind diets like carb backloading and the warrior diet which both work very well for muscle preservation while shedding fat. I initially set out to prove these wrong as I was once a calories in calories out advocate but when I tried them they worked very well. That led to the use of a cyclic ketogenic diet which works extremely well for fat loss and muscle retention and there is very little caloric cutting needed to make it work well. I have been at 158 lbs and 10% bodyfat however any weight I was losing at that point was nearly a 50/50 ratio of fat to muscle mass. I have also been 165 and 175 lbs and 10% bodyfat at what point was I healthier? At my heaviest was my best blood work. My doctor warned me that using a cyclic ketogenic diet was going to cause more damage so we took blood work, measurements and did a bodyfat analysis I was 167 lbs and about 12 % bodyfat at the time. Blood pressure was high normal, cholesterol was slightly high. Waistline was 33" at the time. Now fast forward 4 months into a cyclic ketogenic diet all health markers had improved dramatically, blood pressure was normal, cholesterol was excellent, waistline was 31" (first movement in that one in over a year or just caloric cutting) and I was down to 163lbs and 10% bodyfat. I am not saying take my word for it, try it yourself, however I can say with 100% conviction that 1 calorie of protein or fat is not equal to 1 calorie for carbs. Carbs are not the enemy but when it comes to fat loss timing, and how they are used can make a world of difference. Anyone who has eaten at a deficit and has not seen bodyfat changes will know this to be true. Weight without context means squat to your health, you can just become a smaller less healthy you or you can learn how to manipulate macros and use them to your advantage.
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    Ok. So when you guys say weigh everything, does that also mean pre-packaged items that have a set value. For instance, a thinwich bun is 100 calories, or a can of tuna (which I actually did weigh once and my 5oz can was only 3.6 oz I felt totally jipped! Lol) Do I need to weigh things like that too? Or are we just talking fruits, veggies, oatmeal, etc? I imagine I'm actually overestimating on some of these (often putting in a large apple, when it's actually small or medium). And if I'm weighing a banana or an avocado, is that with or without peel?

    Yes weigh everything. Absolutely everything. All beverages. All food that goes into your mouth. At least for a couple of months. After that you will get a better idea of eye-balling portions. BUT, even after a few months I would recommend you keep on weighing calorie dense stuff like peanut butter, cheese and ice cream. Even a couple of grams this way or that will throw your counts out by significant quantities each week. With practice you should be able to stop weighing stuff like fruit and vegetables, slices of bread, or pre-portioned stuff. But do get a digital scale and try it for at least two months. You have nothing to lose except weight :smile:

    ETA: Yes 2700 does sound extremely high. I'm over six foot tall and my maintenance is 2700+exercise calories. Are you nearly six foot or taller? If not then I would be extremely surprised to find you burn that many calories. Combine this with underestimating your intake (even by as little as 10%) you have found the reason you aren't losing body fat.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    No I am simply saying that using the existing hormones to your advantage for fat loss just makes sense. 4 years of personal experimentation shows that it works. It is the main principle behind diets like carb backloading and the warrior diet which both work very well for muscle preservation while shedding fat. I initially set out to prove these wrong as I was once a calories in calories out advocate but when I tried them they worked very well. That led to the use of a cyclic ketogenic diet which works extremely well for fat loss and muscle retention and there is very little caloric cutting needed to make it work well. I have been at 158 lbs and 10% bodyfat however any weight I was losing at that point was nearly a 50/50 ratio of fat to muscle mass. I have also been 165 and 175 lbs and 10% bodyfat at what point was I healthier? At my heaviest was my best blood work. My doctor warned me that using a cyclic ketogenic diet was going to cause more damage so we took blood work, measurements and did a bodyfat analysis I was 167 lbs and about 12 % bodyfat at the time. Blood pressure was high normal, cholesterol was slightly high. Waistline was 33" at the time. Now fast forward 4 months into a cyclic ketogenic diet all health markers had improved dramatically, blood pressure was normal, cholesterol was excellent, waistline was 31" (first movement in that one in over a year or just caloric cutting) and I was down to 163lbs and 10% bodyfat. I am not saying take my word for it, try it yourself, however I can say with 100% conviction that 1 calorie of protein or fat is not equal to 1 calorie for carbs. Carbs are not the enemy but when it comes to fat loss timing, and how they are used can make a world of difference. Anyone who has eaten at a deficit and has not seen bodyfat changes will know this to be true. Weight without context means squat to your health, you can just become a smaller less healthy you or you can learn how to manipulate macros and use them to your advantage.

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