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  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    While I'm that generic "white bloke that likes women", I'm certainly not generic as far as the rest of society is concerned.
    I have no problem with people of any sexuality.

    I've never felt the need to band together with other people and make a big point of my differences to others.
    I am ME, a unique person and happy with that.

    I've been amused by the whole 'gay marriage' thing - if I really, really needed this bit of paper to live a happy life, I'd be looking at my own life before insisting on society letting me have the same bit of paper others have!

    Also, can we get an 'Mp' on the end of the acronym for 'Meat Popsicle'?
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    While I'm that generic "white bloke that likes women", I'm certainly not generic as far as the rest of society is concerned.
    I have no problem with people of any sexuality.

    I've never felt the need to band together with other people and make a big point of my differences to others.
    I am ME, a unique person and happy with that.

    I've been amused by the whole 'gay marriage' thing - if I really, really needed this bit of paper to live a happy life, I'd be looking at my own life before insisting on society letting me have the same bit of paper others have!

    Also, can we get an 'Mp' on the end of the acronym for 'Meat Popsicle'?

    The reason you've "never felt the need to band together" is because society already includes you. Society was designed by men like you with other men like you in mind. So it's not something you've had to consider. That's quite a fortunate position to be in.

    Also it's not that gay people "need" marriage to live a happy life. They rightly deserve the option, just like all straight people have the option. It's a problem when an institution excludes a whole group like that. So instead of being condescending and "amused", why don't you try seeing things from the perspective of someone who gets routinely ostracised from social institutions. It's not fun or amusing being that person.
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    You don't know me, that is obvious. Society was NOT designed by 'men LIKE ME' - it wouldn't look like it does if it was.
    There are many, many ways in which who I am/my preferences have sidelined and indeed 'ostracised' me from society and so on.

    If someone said I couldn't get married because of 'x' reason about me, it wouldn't bother me because, again, a bit of paper (and some possible slight tax benefits and so on?) wouldn't stop me being happy. It would be a very insignificant factor in my life.

    I did one of those silly 'privilege' tests on the internet and despite being a straight white male, got 22/100, which it would seem means I should feel terribly sorry for myself because I don't fit in and so on! :)
  • sugarstrawberries
    sugarstrawberries Posts: 140 Member
    I did one of those silly 'privilege' tests on the internet and despite being a straight white male, got 22/100, which it would seem means I should feel terribly sorry for myself because I don't fit in and so on! :)

    Lol you got 22/100 then you did it wrong.
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    Lol you got 22/100 then you did it wrong.
    Do go on....
    Should I have lied to make myself be considered more 'privileged' as they view it?
  • lizzyclatworthy
    lizzyclatworthy Posts: 296 Member
    What's the word they use to describe Captain Jack?
    Is it omnisexual?
    Whatever Jack Is... Thats me!
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    What's the word they use to describe Captain Jack?
    Is it omnisexual?
    Whatever Jack Is... Thats me!

    Aleister Crowley was considered "ambisexual"
  • Karissa_Clohan
    Karissa_Clohan Posts: 126 Member
    I have no desire to find special names for my sexuality. I am a sexual female, and simply that.
    Man, woman, electronic vibrating device... I don't care. If you're attractive, then I like you and probably want to shag.

    When my best friend told me she was a lesbian, I said "okay, that's good, but are we going to Taco Bell or McDonald's for lunch?" I've never felt that anyone else's sexual preferences are my business, therefore shouldn't warrant a big fuss whenever suddenly disclosed. I mean, I was glad that she "got it off her chest" and I was very glad I was the person she decided to trust with such private information - but it's never something I would make a big deal over. She likes the poontang, that's cool. :)
  • drewboy30
    drewboy30 Posts: 32 Member
    I am gay and quite happy with that thanks .. :D

    It matters not one jot to me about how others wish to label themselves but minorities are in a sad place in that they need to come together under a "label" in order to ensure their equal rights are protected. In the main that is what this LGBTQAP label is all about.

    Personally I don't understand why the B & T elements have been attached to the LG elements and the addition, in some countries, of the Q A and P elements confuses me even more. However, I am happy that we all should be supporting each other anyway and I even support Heterosexual rights as part of the whole picture of Human Sexuality.

    We are all equal there should be denial of that fact we are just part of a beautiful jigsaw puzzle of types nothing more or less.

    Labels in Human society continue to give us the rough boundaries of life but they should never become an issue. The issue is always who we are, nothing more or less.
  • lizzyclatworthy
    lizzyclatworthy Posts: 296 Member
    What's the word they use to describe Captain Jack?
    Is it omnisexual?
    Whatever Jack Is... Thats me!

    Aleister Crowley was considered "ambisexual"
    To my knowledge Crowley never shagged an alien!
    When we make first contact I am totally hitting that!
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    I have no desire to find special names for my sexuality. I am a sexual female, and simply that.

    This is how I see it. We're human. Humans have the right to have sex with whatever consenting adult humans they/we want, and not to be judged for it. And humans have the right not to be judged or discriminated against based on their gender either (which includes the recognition that not everyone falls neatly into "male" and "female" categories and that's okay and just part of normal human variation too).


    (@ the whole thread, not the above person):
    I get the whole thing of needing to band together to support each others rights. And I get that everyone's opinions should count and be heard. But I don't see the need of labels to achieve that. Although if people feel better about themselves by giving themselves labels I'm fine with that. I would like them to respect my right to not label myself based on who I do or don't want to have sex with.

    I also would like to say that I don't think the opinions of white male cis straight people should be dismissed either. You don't know someone's background or opinions unless/until they express them. Making assumptions based on which group you consider them to belong to..... well that's when bias/prejudice comes full circle and you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of doing.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    What's the word they use to describe Captain Jack?
    Is it omnisexual?
    Whatever Jack Is... Thats me!

    Aleister Crowley was considered "ambisexual"
    To my knowledge Crowley never shagged an alien!
    When we make first contact I am totally hitting that!

    I'm pretty sure he shagged various mytical/occult/spiritual beings though.... he probably wrote about it in his autohagiography
  • KariOrtiz2014
    KariOrtiz2014 Posts: 343 Member
    Do whoever and whatever you like????
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    *sigh*

    This won't end well...
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    *sigh*

    This won't end well...

    I think the discussion is going really well to be honest.... yeah there's joking about Aleister Crowley but really the discussion has been very civilised........... given the topic and the fact this is MFP then i think that's borderline miraculous...

    no-one's ever going to agree about everything. Don't sweat the difference of opinion re labels.
  • Bun_Ya
    Bun_Ya Posts: 174
    You don't know someone's background or opinions unless/until they express them. Making assumptions based on which group you consider them to belong to..... well that's when bias/prejudice comes full circle and you're doing the same thing you're accusing them of doing.
    QFT
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
    Some of my best friends are gay! I have even had them in my house before. Lol, kidding. :smile: In all seriousness, I like men but also have a little thing for women sometimes. So I don't really know what label I would put on myself. No judgment here on anyone's sexual preference. It is a total nonfactor in my judgment and/or acceptance of others.
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    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
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