Eating back burnt calories,defeating the object?
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Different strokes for different folks I guess.Just never understood it myself
Do you understand that too high of a deficit can be a bad thing?0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Where did you get 2700? Which calculation method did you use?
Update: Wolfman beat me to the punch. I'm assuming you aren't using MFP to get your calorie targets, and if so, logging and eating back exercise calories is not needed.0 -
Yes!0
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But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Nope, If your maintenance is 2700, without exercise, and you burn 400 from exercise, your maintenance for the day is 3100, so eating 2000, would be a 1100 cals deficit, you would have to eat 2400 to keep your deficit at 700. Again this is assuming you calculated your maintenance without exercise.
If your TDEE is 2700 and includes exercise, then you would not eat the cals back anyway, as they are already included in your 2700 (2000 intake)0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.0 -
Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc0
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Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.0 -
I don't plan to but if I do whatever. I think that sometimes you need them but if you are full then don't.0
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But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
yes my maintenance with my daily expenditure included.Stirring things up?Yeah I always 'stir things up' with calories lol.Just wanted some opinions,not saying they are wrong or I'm right I'm just interested0 -
Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.
Why not?0 -
When it comes to calorie deficits, bigger isn't necessarily better. If you don't eat back your exercise calories, your calorie deficit gets larger. You're already starting with a 26% deficit, which is way too high, and then you're adding more of a deficit on top of that.
Muscle tissue is calorically expensive so if you're not eating enough your body will get rid of muscle tissue before it gets rid of fat to conserve energy. Someone with your BF% shouldn't go lower than a 15% deficit if they want to maintain their lean tissue. Extreme deficits also have a tendency to mess with your hormones and metabolism, too. It's just not a good idea.
So good luck with that 26-30% deficit.0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
Where did I tell anyone eating their calories back negates their exercise?0 -
I'm in maintenance right now. I eat some of my calories back. If I lose weight I will eat more. If I gain weight I will eat less. I did not eat them back while losing but my base calories were pretty high. I lost about 1lb a week.0
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But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
yes my maintenance with my daily expenditure included.Stirring things up?Yeah I always 'stir things up' with calories lol.Just wanted some opinions,not saying they are wrong or I'm right I'm just interested
MFP is a NEAT method calculator...as such, exercise is not accounted for up front in the activity level...just day to day stuff...this is why MFP has you eat back exercise calories...you have to account for them somewhere.
You are using the TDEE method so you wouldn't eat back exercise calories.
You have to understand which method of calorie counting the calculator is using.0 -
When it comes to calorie deficits, bigger isn't necessarily better. If you don't eat back your exercise calories, your calorie deficit gets larger. You're already starting with a 26% deficit, which is way too high, and then you're adding more of a deficit on top of that.
Muscle tissue is calorically expensive so if you're not eating enough your body will get rid of muscle tissue before it gets rid of fat to conserve energy. Someone with your BF% shouldn't go lower than a 15% deficit if they want to maintain their lean tissue. Extreme deficits also have a tendency to mess with your hormones and metabolism, too. It's just not a good idea.
So good luck with that 26-30% deficit.
15%? no the understood percent to lose roughly a pound a week is 20% deficit while holding on to lean muscle tissue0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
Where did I tell anyone eating their calories back negates their exercise?
That was probably a bit of an extrapolation of my part. But, you are saying that eating them will eat into your deficit. Obviously exercise improves health, so it wouldn't be entirely negated if you ate all of your deficit.
But, again, point being you are basing your deficit off of TDEE, not MFP. For those using MFP, eating them does not eat into their original deficit.0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
yes my maintenance with my daily expenditure included.Stirring things up?Yeah I always 'stir things up' with calories lol.Just wanted some opinions,not saying they are wrong or I'm right I'm just interested
MFP is a NEAT method calculator...as such, exercise is not accounted for up front in the activity level...just day to day stuff...this is why MFP has you eat back exercise calories...you have to account for them somewhere.
You are using the TDEE method so you wouldn't eat back exercise calories.
You have to understand which method of calorie counting the calculator is using.
The penny has dropped haha My maintenance is INCLUDING my weightlifting so my deficit remains just that amount,MFP works it out differently.I understand now(took me a while I'm tired)0 -
Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.
Why not?
because I said so...
seriously tho Ecto, Meso and Endo...all rubbish.
Your deficet is important and if it's too big it is almost impossible to hit proper macros...and to train properly.
but if you are doing TDEE you aren't suppose to eat back exercise calories that is for NEAT Method.0 -
I'm just going to leave this here....
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/818082-exercise-calories-again-wtf
:flowerforyou:0 -
When it comes to calorie deficits, bigger isn't necessarily better. If you don't eat back your exercise calories, your calorie deficit gets larger. You're already starting with a 26% deficit, which is way too high, and then you're adding more of a deficit on top of that.
Muscle tissue is calorically expensive so if you're not eating enough your body will get rid of muscle tissue before it gets rid of fat to conserve energy. Someone with your BF% shouldn't go lower than a 15% deficit if they want to maintain their lean tissue. Extreme deficits also have a tendency to mess with your hormones and metabolism, too. It's just not a good idea.
So good luck with that 26-30% deficit.
15%? no the understood percent to lose roughly a pound a week is 20% deficit while holding on to lean muscle tissue
If your maitenance is 2700 and you are cutting at 2000 you are more than 20%..you are at 25%...
Hard to believe your maintenace is 350 higher than mine tho...interesting...0 -
Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.
Why not?
because I said so...
seriously tho Ecto, Meso and Endo...all rubbish.
Your deficet is important and if it's too big it is almost impossible to hit proper macros...and to train properly.
but if you are doing TDEE you aren't suppose to eat back exercise calories that is for NEAT Method.
my macros are...protein 238g carbs 163g fat 45 g0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
Where did I tell anyone eating their calories back negates their exercise?
In the title of the thread...or rather questioned it...0 -
When it comes to calorie deficits, bigger isn't necessarily better. If you don't eat back your exercise calories, your calorie deficit gets larger. You're already starting with a 26% deficit, which is way too high, and then you're adding more of a deficit on top of that.
Muscle tissue is calorically expensive so if you're not eating enough your body will get rid of muscle tissue before it gets rid of fat to conserve energy. Someone with your BF% shouldn't go lower than a 15% deficit if they want to maintain their lean tissue. Extreme deficits also have a tendency to mess with your hormones and metabolism, too. It's just not a good idea.
So good luck with that 26-30% deficit.
15%? no the understood percent to lose roughly a pound a week is 20% deficit while holding on to lean muscle tissue
If your maitenance is 2700 and you are cutting at 2000 you are more than 20%..you are at 25%...
Hard to believe your maintenace is 350 higher than mine tho...interesting...
I was at 500 deficit but stalling so dropped to 700.How much do you weigh?0 -
But if my maintenance is 2700 now and I eat back my burnt calories I'll be back at maintenance
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong.
It looks like you are working off of TDEE, not MFP's setup?
When you say 2700 is your maintenance - does that INCLUDE your lifitng?
If so, then no, you wouldn't eat them back.
MFP does NOT include exercise until AFTER it is completed and entered. Use MFP - you are given calories to eat at a deficit WITHOUT exercise. Then you exercise = bigger deficit (which is NOT often a good thing, you want a healthy deficit). So then you eat them back, taking you back to your original deifict.
Do you really not understand, or are you just stirring things up?
If you work off of TDEE and are telling people eating their exercise cals negates their exercise, you are confusing those who use MFP's setup and need to eat their exercise cals.
Where did I tell anyone eating their calories back negates their exercise?
In the title of the thread...or rather questioned it...
Exactly questioned it not stated it0 -
Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.
Why not?
because I said so...
seriously tho Ecto, Meso and Endo...all rubbish.
Your deficet is important and if it's too big it is almost impossible to hit proper macros...and to train properly.
but if you are doing TDEE you aren't suppose to eat back exercise calories that is for NEAT Method.
my macros are...protein 238g carbs 163g fat 45 g
okay means nothing without seeing if you are hitting them...I suspect there is a lot of protien shakes/bars etc in there.
At 1700 calories and hitting 120g can be a struggle for me sometimes...If I don't eat at leat 35g a meal I don't hit it..but I don't always want bacon and eggs for breakfast...sometimes cereal is yummy with toast.0 -
i try not to eat them back because i dont feel like i lose when i do. ive ate some back today and i already know that i shouldnt have cause i wont get much of a lose this week
. dam easter lol.
Ill be fined once these eggs are all gone. i just need to get my head on right and thinking positive again0 -
When it comes to calorie deficits, bigger isn't necessarily better. If you don't eat back your exercise calories, your calorie deficit gets larger. You're already starting with a 26% deficit, which is way too high, and then you're adding more of a deficit on top of that.
Muscle tissue is calorically expensive so if you're not eating enough your body will get rid of muscle tissue before it gets rid of fat to conserve energy. Someone with your BF% shouldn't go lower than a 15% deficit if they want to maintain their lean tissue. Extreme deficits also have a tendency to mess with your hormones and metabolism, too. It's just not a good idea.
So good luck with that 26-30% deficit.
15%? no the understood percent to lose roughly a pound a week is 20% deficit while holding on to lean muscle tissue
If your maitenance is 2700 and you are cutting at 2000 you are more than 20%..you are at 25%...
Hard to believe your maintenace is 350 higher than mine tho...interesting...
I was at 500 deficit but stalling so dropped to 700.How much do you weigh?
157lbs...5ft 7... 41 year old female. Just calculated my TDEE for maintenance and it works out to 2288 for the last 21 days of my data.
Consumed 39294 calories, lost 2.5lbs total is 48044/21=2287.810 -
I eat the same thing everyday in the same exact quantities everyday.I eat low fat greek yoghurt,chicken,tuna,oats and shakes.Same meals everyday.My diet is exact0
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Depends on diet,how you train,are you an Ectomorph Mesomorph or Endomorph etc
nope...nope....nope...and most definately nope.
Why not?
because I said so...
seriously tho Ecto, Meso and Endo...all rubbish.
Your deficet is important and if it's too big it is almost impossible to hit proper macros...and to train properly.
but if you are doing TDEE you aren't suppose to eat back exercise calories that is for NEAT Method.
my macros are...protein 238g carbs 163g fat 45 g
Why so little fat? the typical suggesting for minimum fat intake ranges from 0.35 to 0.40 grams per lb of body weight. So if you are 180lbs that would be 63 to 72, as minimums.... Or is there a medical condition why your fat is so low? Not sure how much you weigh, this was just an example0 -
I'm just going to leave this here....
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/818082-exercise-calories-again-wtf
:flowerforyou:
THANK YOU! I was going to post that link, but you beat me to it.0
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