Organic food ind engaged in a public disinformation campaign

Yes, but when I buy organic food (local if I can afford it) or choose to forgo meat in a meal or two, it's for environmental reasons not because I believe that it has a higher nutritional value. The second article that you linked actually discusses that point nicely. It also points out the difference between companies using the word "natural" (marketing tool with no meaning) and the "USDA organic" label (which has rigorous standards).

New Zealand...nice...

I guess we don't have salt in our oceans domestically...

Is that healthier than non-gmo salt?

This reminds me of foods that are labels gluten free when it's something that is not and has never been made with any grain product. My gummy bears really don't need a "gluten free" tag.

New Zealand...nice...

I guess we don't have salt in our oceans domestically...

Is that healthier than non-gmo salt?

This reminds me of foods that are labels gluten free when it's something that is not and has never been made with any grain product. My gummy bears really don't need a "gluten free" tag.

What is "fossil fuel based agriculture"? Are you suggesting farmers go back to plowing behind horses? I agree that the other things you mentioned are problems but on the other hand, we have 7 billion people to feed on this planet and we can't do that with 19th century farming practices.

Fertilisers and other agro-chemicals are made out of oil = fossil-fuel based.

The most productive form of food production in terms of tonnes per acre is actually small scale organic farming.

Yes, but when I buy organic food (local if I can afford it) or choose to forgo meat in a meal or two, it's for environmental reasons not because I believe that it has a higher nutritional value. The second article that you linked actually discusses that point nicely. It also points out the difference between companies using the word "natural" (marketing tool with no meaning) and the "USDA organic" label (which has rigorous standards).

There's growing evidence that eating locally grown food isn't actually better for the environment.

"Large farms growing crops suited to their region are better for the environment because they use less energy per item and grow more food on less land."

Along with other reasons such as:

"Research shows long-distance transportation accounts for only about 4% of the greenhouse gas emissions in food production; most occur at the farm itself through the use of tractors and other equipment and materials."

In perspective, a vegetable picked then transported 1,500 miles is not going to be as nutritious as one picked from your backyard garden within minutes of serving.

What is "fossil fuel based agriculture"? Are you suggesting farmers go back to plowing behind horses? I agree that the other things you mentioned are problems but on the other hand, we have 7 billion people to feed on this planet and we can't do that with 19th century farming practices.

Fertilisers and other agro-chemicals are made out of oil = fossil-fuel based.

Yes, but when I buy organic food (local if I can afford it) or choose to forgo meat in a meal or two, it's for environmental reasons not because I believe that it has a higher nutritional value. The second article that you linked actually discusses that point nicely. It also points out the difference between companies using the word "natural" (marketing tool with no meaning) and the "USDA organic" label (which has rigorous standards).

There's growing evidence that eating locally grown food isn't actually better for the environment.

"Large farms growing crops suited to their region are better for the environment because they use less energy per item and grow more food on less land."

Along with other reasons such as:

"Research shows long-distance transportation accounts for only about 4% of the greenhouse gas emissions in food production; most occur at the farm itself through the use of tractors and other equipment and materials."

Eating locally grown and produced foods have a multitude of other benefits in addition to the environmental benefits. The average food travels 1,500 miles from farmer to table. In perspective, a vegetable picked then transported 1,500 miles is not going to be as nutritious as one picked from your backyard garden within minutes of serving. There are a lot of other reasons to eat locally grown and produced as well.

I have no idea why a person would want to buy foods that are higher in pesticides and herbicides - products whose purpose is to kill, and petroleum-based fertilizers - known carcinogens. I don't understand why one would want to eat something that may have been grown in human waste that contains the residue of our pharmaceutical drugs and hormones. Nor do I understand why a person would willingly volunteer to be part of the GMO experiment that is happening right now, on everyone who consumes them. I also don't get why someone would want to be exposed to bacteria that are more resistant to antibiotics.

Why would anyone would want to support big-business agriculture that is responsible for putting small farmers out of business, not using land in sustainable ways, empties water tables that took thousands of years to fill, and spends millions if not billions of dollars on marketing campaigns to lobby for their own interests that have nothing to do with our health and everything to do with their profits.

I also don't understand why anyone would publicly admit that they are gullible enough to fall for their marketing ploys.

Buying locally has many benefits when it comes to using fewer resources to transport goods, but it also has health benefits. There are toxic chemical compounds in many fruits and vegetables that dissipate as they ripen, the plants way of stopping it's fruit from being eaten before the seeds are viable. The further a food travels from its point of sale, the earlier it is picked and the more of these toxins that remain in our foods. Also, the closer it is picked to the time that it is fully ripe, the more opportunity the plant has had to impart nutrients into that same food.

I have no idea why a person would want to buy foods that are higher in pesticides and herbicides - products whose purpose is to kill, and petroleum-based fertilizers - known carcinogens. I don't understand why one would want to eat something that may have been grown in human waste that contains the residue of our pharmaceutical drugs and hormones. Nor do I understand why a person would willingly volunteer to be part of the GMO experiment that is happening right now, on everyone who consumes them. I also don't get why someone would want to be exposed to bacteria that are more resistant to antibiotics.

Why would anyone would want to support big-business agriculture that is responsible for putting small farmers out of business, not using land in sustainable ways, empties water tables that took thousands of years to fill, and spends millions if not billions of dollars on marketing campaigns to lobby for their own interests that have nothing to do with our health and everything to do with their profits.

I also don't understand why anyone would publicly admit that they are gullible enough to fall for their marketing ploys.

Buying locally has many benefits when it comes to using fewer resources to transport goods, but it also has health benefits. There are toxic chemical compounds in many fruits and vegetables that dissipate as they ripen, the plants way of stopping it's fruit from being eaten before the seeds are viable. The further a food travels from its point of sale, the earlier it is picked and the more of these toxins that remain in our foods. Also, the closer it is picked to the time that it is fully ripe, the more opportunity the plant has had to impart nutrients into that same food.

Of course it wouldn't make sense to grow foods in inappropriate environments just to be considered local. But it is equally ridiculous to demand that foods be available year round, when they are out of season unless they are being shipped from the other side of the planet. Eating locally also means eating seasonally and reducing variety to some extent.

I have no idea why a person would want to buy foods that are higher in pesticides and herbicides - products whose purpose is to kill, and petroleum-based fertilizers - known carcinogens. I don't understand why one would want to eat something that may have been grown in human waste that contains the residue of our pharmaceutical drugs and hormones. Nor do I understand why a person would willingly volunteer to be part of the GMO experiment that is happening right now, on everyone who consumes them. I also don't get why someone would want to be exposed to bacteria that are more resistant to antibiotics.

Why would anyone would want to support big-business agriculture that is responsible for putting small farmers out of business, not using land in sustainable ways, empties water tables that took thousands of years to fill, and spends millions if not billions of dollars on marketing campaigns to lobby for their own interests that have nothing to do with our health and everything to do with their profits.

I also don't understand why anyone would publicly admit that they are gullible enough to fall for their marketing ploys.

Buying locally has many benefits when it comes to using fewer resources to transport goods, but it also has health benefits. There are toxic chemical compounds in many fruits and vegetables that dissipate as they ripen, the plants way of stopping it's fruit from being eaten before the seeds are viable. The further a food travels from its point of sale, the earlier it is picked and the more of these toxins that remain in our foods. Also, the closer it is picked to the time that it is fully ripe, the more opportunity the plant has had to impart nutrients into that same food.

Of course it wouldn't make sense to grow foods in inappropriate environments just to be considered local. But it is equally ridiculous to demand that foods be available year round, when they are out of season unless they are being shipped from the other side of the planet. Eating locally also means eating seasonally and reducing variety to some extent.

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Of course it wouldn't make sense to grow foods in inappropriate environments just to be considered local. But it is equally ridiculous to demand that foods be available year round, when they are out of season unless they are being shipped from the other side of the planet. Eating locally also means eating seasonally and reducing variety to some extent.

I LOVE pineapple.

My bad, I totally forgot that I was interacting with men. The idiocy is starting to make more sense.