Ketogenic Diet

hannahjoan629
hannahjoan629 Posts: 1
in Health and Weight Loss
Would you recommend ketosis to someone who doesn't need to lose weight?

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  • Jestinia
    Jestinia Posts: 1,153 Member
    I reached my goal weight as of yesterday and am currently on day 3 of the ketogenic diet. My question is, if I am at my goal weight, is fully being in ketosis necessary for someone who does not need to lose weight?

    All being in ketosis really does for some dieters is cut appetite. So if you are worried about gaining weight back and it helps you not do that because you're less hungry, why not stick with it? Otherwise, not sure it will do anything for you.
  • Gramps251
    Gramps251 Posts: 738 Member
    Not judging in any way but why have you chosen Keto? I have friends who have done it long term.
  • MapleFlavouredMaiden
    MapleFlavouredMaiden Posts: 595 Member
    I wouldn't recommend it for anyone... period.
  • GoPhil04
    GoPhil04 Posts: 93
    Not usually since its pretty expensive to eat quality keto, but its certainly acceptable.
  • parkscs
    parkscs Posts: 1,639 Member
    It's typically used to attempt to lose bodyfat while sparing LBM, but I do know people that maintain or even bulk on keto diets. It's worth noting though that things get a bit more complicated if you're active and following a keto diet, as a SKD is probably not going to cut it for long and you would want to look into a TKD or CKD. Unless you really like the way you feel on this sort of diet, it's a lot simpler to just do something like IIFYM. It takes more effort/close tracking to properly follow a TKD/CKD.

    So in short, without knowing more, I probably wouldn't recommend it.
  • Ainar
    Ainar Posts: 858 Member
    It has no health benefits if you don't have some kind of medical condition. And since you mainly would get protein and calories from animal products and animal fat it can in fact be potentially unhealthy for you. Lots of meats and dairy is highly acidic and lots of saturated fat is not good either in long term (that's if you are concerned about health like I am). So you would wanna get most of calories from "good fats" not animal fats and would need to ate a lot of alkaline foods to keep acid balance. Which most certainly can be done but requires some planning in diet and prolly will be more expensive. So no I would not recommend it.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    It has no health benefits if you don't have some kind of medical condition. And since you mainly would get protein and calories from animal products and animal fat it can in fact be potentially unhealthy for you. Lots of meats and dairy is highly acidic and lots of saturated fat is not good either in long term (that's if you are concerned about health like I am). So you would wanna get most of calories from "good fats" not animal fats and would need to ate a lot of alkaline foods to keep acid balance. Which most certainly can be done but requires some planning in diet and prolly will be more expensive. So no I would not recommend it.

    Sat fat is the best fat you can get - much better for you than fats like polyunsaturated.

    Also meat - red in particular is IMO a much better source of protein and fat, than plant based alone.

    Veggies have there place - which is generally cut into animal shaped pieces next to a big juicy steak.

    Keto is beneficial - however you can get a lot of the benefits by being on a LCHF diet in the region of 100g of carbs. From that basis you can cut carbs when you like and dip in and out of Keto.
  • Jestinia
    Jestinia Posts: 1,153 Member
    It's typically used to attempt to lose bodyfat while sparing LBM, but I do know people that maintain or even bulk on keto diets. It's worth noting though that things get a bit more complicated if you're active and following a keto diet, as a SKD is probably not going to cut it for long and you would want to look into a TKD or CKD. Unless you really like the way you feel on this sort of diet, it's a lot simpler to just do something like IIFYM. It takes more effort/close tracking to properly follow a TKD/CKD.

    So in short, without knowing more, I probably wouldn't recommend it.

    I did not know this. I couldn't imagine the cost of an already good sized body builder trying to bulk with a keto diet. The grocery bill would be horrendous.
  • swaggityswagbag
    swaggityswagbag Posts: 78 Member
    It's typically used to attempt to lose bodyfat while sparing LBM, but I do know people that maintain or even bulk on keto diets. It's worth noting though that things get a bit more complicated if you're active and following a keto diet, as a SKD is probably not going to cut it for long and you would want to look into a TKD or CKD. Unless you really like the way you feel on this sort of diet, it's a lot simpler to just do something like IIFYM. It takes more effort/close tracking to properly follow a TKD/CKD.

    So in short, without knowing more, I probably wouldn't recommend it.

    I did not know this. I couldn't imagine the cost of an already good sized body builder trying to bulk with a keto diet. The grocery bill would be horrendous.

    reddit.com/r/ketogains

    Plenty of bodybuilders do it fine. They eat smaller quantities than people who eat carbs, but make sure to eat foods that have high levels of fat and protein. It can be cheaper than normal eating as long as you don't overeat.
  • Ainar
    Ainar Posts: 858 Member
    It has no health benefits if you don't have some kind of medical condition. And since you mainly would get protein and calories from animal products and animal fat it can in fact be potentially unhealthy for you. Lots of meats and dairy is highly acidic and lots of saturated fat is not good either in long term (that's if you are concerned about health like I am). So you would wanna get most of calories from "good fats" not animal fats and would need to ate a lot of alkaline foods to keep acid balance. Which most certainly can be done but requires some planning in diet and prolly will be more expensive. So no I would not recommend it.

    Sat fat is the best fat you can get - much better for you than fats like polyunsaturated.
    Perhaps you should research this some more because it seems to me that you got it all backwards now. Anyways, if you really believe that then good luck on having heart problems and possibly cancer 20 years from now. Assuming that you ate them in large quantities. Maybe you personally don't, but average keto dieter would be eating them in large amounts which isn't healthy.
  • darkangel45422
    darkangel45422 Posts: 234 Member
    It has no health benefits if you don't have some kind of medical condition. And since you mainly would get protein and calories from animal products and animal fat it can in fact be potentially unhealthy for you. Lots of meats and dairy is highly acidic and lots of saturated fat is not good either in long term (that's if you are concerned about health like I am). So you would wanna get most of calories from "good fats" not animal fats and would need to ate a lot of alkaline foods to keep acid balance. Which most certainly can be done but requires some planning in diet and prolly will be more expensive. So no I would not recommend it.

    Sat fat is the best fat you can get - much better for you than fats like polyunsaturated.
    Perhaps you should research this some more because it seems to me that you got it all backwards now. Anyways, if you really believe that then good luck on having heart problems and possibly cancer 20 years from now. Assuming that you ate them in large quantities. Maybe you personally don't, but average keto dieter would be eating them in large amounts which isn't healthy.

    Actually there's a lot of research in favour of saturated fat being healthy, or at the very least not unhealthy; more and more is coming out every day. Saturated fat got a bad rap a while ago but science is starting to come around. That's the unfortunate thing about food science - you have to keep researching because we find new things all the time. The old idea of saturated fat literally clogging up your arteries is completely wrong (for one thing it's not like pouring lard down your kitchen sink...the fat doesn't actually flow into your arteries to clog them up -eyerolll-)
  • GoPhil04
    GoPhil04 Posts: 93
    For the person who says that eating Keto has no health benefits, your simply wrong.

    This is the way humans are intended to eat. Heavily processed grains and processed sugars is an "unhealthy" way to eat.
  • Gramps251
    Gramps251 Posts: 738 Member
    For the person who says that eating Keto has no health benefits, your simply wrong.

    This is the way humans are intended to eat. Heavily processed grains and processed sugars is an "unhealthy" way to eat.

    Is Keto or "Heavily processed grains and ....sugar" the only two choices?

    PS. Besides you who says humans are inteded to eat Keto?
  • Ainar
    Ainar Posts: 858 Member

    This is the way humans are intended to eat. Heavily processed grains and processed sugars is an "unhealthy" way to eat.

    Are you implying that I am suggesting to ate heavily processed grains and processed sugars? No I'm not. I agree with you that it is also unhealthy, just like keto full of red meats and saturated animal fat. These are two extremes with same outcome. Balance should be the key here.

    About "the way humans are intended to eat" I will disagree with you on this one. I think it's silly argument that it is good for your health just because we ate like that thousands of years ago. Back in a day we ate like that because we ate wherever was there for us to survive. If this is your argument then you might as well not use modern medicine cos "we never were intended to", don't drive cars cos "we never were intended to", etc. Now that this is no longer the case why stick to that primitive idea? We are intelligent race now. We should use science data to determinate what is best for our health and not historical data what has nothing to do with it in first place.
  • Jestinia
    Jestinia Posts: 1,153 Member
    I wish the plant based and meat based teams would stop squabbling, get together, and team up on the processed, sugary food team. Then the all organic, no gmo, raw food, clean eating team can swoop in and mop up the survivors.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    I wish the plant based and meat based teams would stop squabbling, get together, and team up on the processed, sugary food team. Then the all organic, no gmo, raw food, clean eating team can swoop in and mop up the survivors.

    Lol, nice thinking. I still think we will be out gunned!

    Maybe the way around it would be to start any pro keto, paleo/primal, vegan, clean eating etc.. Thread with the title - I love eating in moderation. That way the thread would get left alone by the moderation brigade, as they only seem to go onto threads that they fine insulting to their moderation beliefs.
  • Jestinia
    Jestinia Posts: 1,153 Member
    I wish the plant based and meat based teams would stop squabbling, get together, and team up on the processed, sugary food team. Then the all organic, no gmo, raw food, clean eating team can swoop in and mop up the survivors.

    Lol, nice thinking. I still think we will be out gunned!

    Maybe the way around it would be to start any pro keto, paleo/primal, vegan, clean eating etc.. Thread with the title - I love eating in moderation. That way the thread would get left alone by the moderation brigade, as they only seem to go onto threads that they fine insulting to their moderation beliefs.

    Indeed. I am the sworn enemy of the moderation brigade and their enviable ability to stop at one cupcake. They must be dealt with! :laugh:

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