Needing some advice

In my 500 days on MFP I've managed to lose 19 lbs. What I am doing, or how I am doing it doesn't seem to be working that well. I've been lifting weights almost the entire time I've been on MFP and want to gain muscle but am just trying to make the most of what I have right now. I am beginning to see that these two goals are contradicting each other and I am just not gaining ground either direction. When I think about what I really want I guess the leading desire is to finish losing this 15 lbs. Working so hard on weight lifting doesn't seem to help me in the goal of losing. I see two options that are completely opposite (please let me know if you see some other option for me that I am not recognizing), cut back on the lifting and really focus on losing (I wouldn't have to eat as much to fuel those workouts) or just go to maintenance and keep lifting as hard as I can (which I am not sure I can do as my body is suffering where I am at now with chronic neck pain and minor injuries) for the remainder of my current program. I want to lose the weight but I don't want to sacrifice this hard earned muscle, what is an appropriate lifting schedule to just maintain my current muscle mass?
I am currently 3 weeks into a 12 week progressive full body lifting routine 4 x per week. I do cardio workouts 2 x per week and throw in some walking, biking, etc when the mood hits. I am lifting as heavy as I can. I am sure if I ate at maintenance I could make bigger strength gains and maybe gain definition (? not sure if it works that way) but wouldn't be building addition muscle. If I want to go for a solid cut would it be appropriate to lift only 2 days per week and should I still try to be progressive? I would expect if I cut I would lean out and also gain greater definition. What is recommended for either scenario, or is there still something I am missing? Somewhere along the line I need to make some progress because I really need the encouragement. By the way, I did measure after two months and I only lost 3 1/2 inches over all, the scale isn't moving and pictures are showing no appreciable changes.
My supposed TDEE is 2200 but if I go above 1600 range I seem to gain, however I have trouble with weight lifting recovery at that range. I do weigh all my food but I have those days where I go completely off the rails and it seems like all is lost. That is the reason I have considered eating at maintenance for a while to just give myself a break and gain better control over my eating.

Underlying this all is the fact that I am going on a cruise in October and really want to look my best, so the clock is ticking in my head.
I'll thank you in advance for advice and hopefully kind words.

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  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    weight loss is all about calorie deficit.

    Often times if you aren't losing or god forbid gaining you are eating more than you think. This happens when you don't use a food scale for all solids (well maybe not resturants) and measure all liquids.

    I have taken a look at your diary and see quite a few things not weighed...

    Peanut butter 4tbsp
    Protien powder 1 scoop
    greek yogurt 1cup

    Entries that start with "homemade"...if you didn't make it don't use entries that start with that word, or generic.

    As well I see days where you are over by at least 700, others where you are guessing...per notes.

    The last 15lbs requires close scrutiny to your diary...my last 10 took a while even tho I am very care.

    I too lift but don't gain on anything under 2100 (my TDEE) unless it's water retention.

    The only other thing I would mention as well is are you stressing? Cortisol levels raise with stress and that can mask weight loss with water retention as well...here are a couple of articles to read in relation to stress..cortisol and water retention.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/another-look-at-metabolic-damage.html#more-9313
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html

    If your TDEE is 2200 you are at TDEE-27%...and with 15lbs left to go you really should be TDEE-10%...

    For me I lift 3x a week and have for almost 40 weeks...while in a deficit my strength gains did suffer but I accepted until I was at maitenance they would as weight loss was my primary goal...time for you to make that choice too...

    The definition comes from weight loss.

    I am currently working my way up to maitenance and since I have a nagging injury as well I am not pushing the strength gains. I am concentrating on form (ATG squats etc, good rows etc) and not worrying about the strength gains as much as I used to..I am competeing with myself and she told me to give it a rest and work on form because it doesn't matter how much you can lift if you do it with crappy form...
  • MelStren
    MelStren Posts: 457 Member


    The only other thing I would mention as well is are you stressing? Cortisol levels raise with stress and that can mask weight loss with water retention as well...here are a couple of articles to read in relation to stress..cortisol and water retention.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/another-look-at-metabolic-damage.html#more-9313
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html


    This could part of my problem. I am really stressed about work, I can't stand my boss, my daughter graduating high school and moving in with her boyfriend, IF she'll go to college or not, paying for college for her older brother,... Wow, that's a list!

    And I stress eat....
  • terbusha
    terbusha Posts: 1,483 Member
    You can lose weight while continuing to lift weights. I dropped 64 lbs while focusing on weight lifting. Just combine that exercise routine with an appropriate calorie deficit.

    Allan
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  • MicheleWE
    MicheleWE Posts: 179 Member
    Stef-thanks for the article recommendations, I will check those out. Stress is a big one for me. As far as weighing my food, I weigh it all when I am at home. Yes, the peanut butter that night was an estimate as I was at my parents and in desperate need of a snack, so I estimated the amount. However, I always weigh my yogurt, protein powder, bread, etc. 1 serving of yogurt is 227g which equals 140 calories, and the protein powder is 25g for 85 calories. While the serving is recorded as 1 scoop or 1 cup the numbers match the nutritional information. I do weigh everything when I am at home but not when I've gone out to eat
    It is disheartening to think I could be so far off track especially since I've been at this since 2009. I first lost 85 lbs, with Weight Watchers so I've been tracking for a long time. I did gain some back when I went into maintenance and failed to maintain, so I have been working on losing it for the last 500 days with MFP.
    My thought is those times when I am eating out that I am way far off track and must be blowing my whole deficit. Yes, I had a few bad days in the more recent weeks, but before that I was pretty spot on for 4 months and still not consistently losing, maybe 5 lbs in that whole time. I am not arguing or disagreeing, like I said it is just discouraging to work so hard and see that I am so wrong.

    Allen-Every since I started lifting weights I've not lost consistently. I really don't know what that magical number is. I try to cut and then I end up being exhausted with very little energy for anything and while I lose, again it is very slow. I try to eat more to have more energy to get my workouts done but nada on the losing. I've figured my numbers with online calculators probably 100 times but I don't seem to be able to eat what any of them say I should.

    btente-Two cardio workouts a week is to much? They are normally between 30-60 minutes. I assume I am not supposed to spend all the rest of my nonworkout day sitting on my butt (although I do far to much) and if it is to much, shouldn't it be helping me to drop weight? When I say I am lifting as heavy as I can, you are right, it's not a 1 RM. I am lifting for the set amount of reps for my workout that allows me to complete those reps but not feeling like I could do any more than that. Example, yesterday I was doing a single arm bench press with a 32# dumbbell, 3 sets of 8 reps. On both set 2 & 3 I was failing at rep #7 on both arms. I couldn't have lifted it again without a rest time. I am increasing weight with every workout or if that isn't possible then I add reps.

    So my question still remains about weight lifting and maintaining my current muscle while trying to primarily focus on losing the weight. Do I just need to cut down on my number of workouts per week, or do I need to decrease the intensity of the workouts so I can eat at a better deficit (while bringing the hammer down on my logging)?
    It is crazy to me that I lost 85 lbs while only walking 3-5 hours per week but now that I weight lift, ride a bike and walk on hilly terrain and run/jog on a weekly basis I have such a hard time. Not to say my physique hasn't improved from all of that, it most definitely has.
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  • MicheleWE
    MicheleWE Posts: 179 Member
    btente-I'll admit you are talking just a bit over my head. This is what I can tell you, I am doing Gluteal Goddess by Bret Contrares. I did the entire beginner program and I am now on the advanced program. Some of the exercises in this first phase have higher reps, such as 3 sets 20 reps of hip thrust, or 3 sets of 20 reps of cable hip abductions. I am using as heavy of weight as I possibly can on those exercises (this week 90 lbs on the hip thrust and my glutes were burning-pitiful amount of weight but that's why I'm doing this program to make improvements), and while I would like to quit with everything that's in me, I am able to complete those reps. I don't know why the reps are so high for those exercises in this phase, but the next phase they drop down into that hypertrophy range. Some of the exercises I do fail on, but not all.
    I am just trying to do better (more weight or reps) each time I do a workout, meaning I have three workouts I do a week, and the next week I want each of them to be better than the previous week.
    Example of yesterday's workout: 3 sets 15 reps 90# hip thrust superset with 3 sets 8 reps of 64# one arm cable row, 3 sets of 6 reps of 40# goblet squats superset with 3 sets 8 reps 32# one arm bench press each side, 3 sets 20 reps of 64# cable pull through, 1 set 14 reps side lying hip raise each side, 1 set 5 rep of Turkish get up with 10# dumbbell each side, 1 set 12 rep 40# anti cable rotations on each side.
    There are two other similar workouts for the week, one that I repeat at the end of the week, all primarily focusing on the glutes, hips and legs with abd and upper body work in each workout.
    I thought deloading was what you did after 8-12 weeks on a program.
    As far as cardio, it's not all high intensity, sometimes it is just that 3- 3.5 mph pace walking.
    So now I think I've told you everything I can about my lifting and how I've been doing it. Still wondering how come I am not dropping body fat or weight if this is the right thing to be doing.
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