Having a difficult time maintaining, so confused.

So, basic info - I've lost 250ish pounds. From 428 to 168-180 (The range is part of my problem).

I went to a Hydrostatic weigh-in and found that I was at 9.9% body fat when I was at 180.

Now I've been trying to figure out what I need to do to maintain my weight now that I've reached my goal, and I'm having a difficult time of it.

I set myself to eat a bit more and exercise a bit less, so my basic work out rate and calorie rate were going to be this: 2 and a half hours of cardio a day and 2000 calories a day. With 3000 calories on the weekend days because I enjoy going to breakfast with my family and I tend to get a bit more out there in the real world.

This is down from 4 hours of cardio a day and 1000 calories a day.

I stayed at 180 for a while, and then had a really weird week where I lost and got down to 176, and then another week where I went down to 168.

I stayed at 170ish for a couple weeks, and now suddenly I've started climbing back up towards 180 again. Last week I was 175, and then this week I've been looking at 178. I'll admit, when I found myself gaining again I freaked out a bit and did extra cardio, going back to the four hours of cardio again. The extra doesn't seem to do anything.

I just.. I don't really care about the number. I care about consistency. I want to be able to live a life where I'm not doing 4 hours of cardio a day, but I seem to be not maintaining and gaining even though I feel like I'm doing more work than I should have to in order to keep my body in order.

Everything kind of fluctuates from week to week sometimes, and it freaks me out when I gain. It doesn't seem consistent, even though I've kept my eating habits to the same 2000 a day and the same foods every single week.

And at the end of the day, I'm still concerned that I'm doing too much cardio to live a normal life. I don't feel like 2 and a half hours a day and 2000 calories a day should be my end goal to maintain. Everyone else seems to be able to do less, and I'll admit it bothers me a bit.

I guess I'm just kind of confused and lost about what to do. My body doesn't make sense to me. And I want to be able to do less cardio in order to maintain, because at this point I feel like I'm dedicating my life to running and elliptical, and it doesn't really feel good. My weight fluctuates over weeks and I can't tell rhyme or reason for it, but the lack of consistency terrifies me and makes fear that I'm not doing enough even though I dedicate so much of my time to exercise.

I suppose I should also mention that I do at least 45 minutes of weightlifting a day. Forgot to mention that, and I don't know where to stick that info in up there at this point.

Sorry to rant at you folks a bit. Just lost.
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  • caesar164
    caesar164 Posts: 312 Member
    Your body has gotten accustomed to extreme cardio just to maintain... Once you cut back on the cardio, your weight will start to climb... I would replace any reduction in cardio with increases in weight training.....you need to build muscle to increase your metabolic rate...
  • wilsoje74
    wilsoje74 Posts: 1,720 Member
    What is your height? No you should not have to do 2.5-4 hrs of cardio a day, most people don't go to such drastic methods. His closely do you track your food?
  • MissJay75
    MissJay75 Posts: 768 Member
    Your body probably freaked out a little from all the changes. Especially going from 1000 calories a day to up to 3000 a day on the weekends. My advice to you would be to drop to whatever amount of cardio seems do-able to you for the long-term future. Maybe that's 90minutes. Then build how many calories you eat in a week around that. Try it for a month. If you gain, adjust your calories down a little, if you lose, bump them up a little, and try at that new number for another month. Evaluate again, and adjust as needed.

    To repeat, I would give it a month or so between each adjustment, and also only adjust calories, not cardio.
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    First of all, congratulations on the tremendous weight loss and getting yourself to 9.9% body fat! That is an amazing accomplishment, congratulations!

    Secondly, just know that you are in good company in terms of feeling nervous about weight fluctuations once you reach maintenance. Most people experience this phenomenon, as well as the emotions that come along with it. You are definitely not weird, and you're definitely not alone. :)

    Just out of curiosity, have you really sat down and figured out your official TDEE? Or did you arbitrarily set your numbers based on what you believe you should do? I ask because four hours of cardio a day on only 1,000 calories falls, IMHO, into the "dangerously anorexic" zone for most human beings. I would love to know where you came up with that equation?

    If you don't mind sharing your stats w/us I'd love to calculate a basic TDEE for you and just see how it compares to what you're currently doing. Do you mind posting your age, height, current weight, and activity level on a normal day (not exercise, but like your daily routine at work such as sitting at a desk vs. construction work, etc.)?
  • mistakenidentity
    mistakenidentity Posts: 28 Member
    Bump...and Thanks!
  • bciloveme2014
    bciloveme2014 Posts: 213 Member
    bump
  • Entaro
    Entaro Posts: 23 Member
    What is your height? No you should not have to do 2.5-4 hrs of cardio a day, most people don't go to such drastic methods. His closely do you track your food?

    5'8". Very closely. I keep my meals exactly the same week to week.
  • Entaro
    Entaro Posts: 23 Member
    First of all, congratulations on the tremendous weight loss and getting yourself to 9.9% body fat! That is an amazing accomplishment, congratulations!

    Secondly, just know that you are in good company in terms of feeling nervous about weight fluctuations once you reach maintenance. Most people experience this phenomenon, as well as the emotions that come along with it. You are definitely not weird, and you're definitely not alone. :)

    Just out of curiosity, have you really sat down and figured out your official TDEE? Or did you arbitrarily set your numbers based on what you believe you should do? I ask because four hours of cardio a day on only 1,000 calories falls, IMHO, into the "dangerously anorexic" zone for most human beings. I would love to know where you came up with that equation?

    If you don't mind sharing your stats w/us I'd love to calculate a basic TDEE for you and just see how it compares to what you're currently doing. Do you mind posting your age, height, current weight, and activity level on a normal day (not exercise, but like your daily routine at work such as sitting at a desk vs. construction work, etc.)?

    Age: 23
    Height: 5'8"
    Current weight: 175 last weigh-in.
    Activity level: Not high, mostly desk with some walking around during the day for errands. My "job" for the past few years has been to lose weight.
  • ASKyle
    ASKyle Posts: 1,475 Member
    There is no possible way you were at 9.9% BF.

    10-13% for women is the bare minimum for life. That is competitive body builder status.

    The "ideal" category for women is 20-24%. As a reference point I am 5'2, 121lbs, have a muscular build and am 23% BF.

    Drop the cardio, start lifting weights. Heavy ones. What are you doing in your 45 minutes of lifting a day?
  • lobster888
    lobster888 Posts: 861 Member
    Bump
  • laurenawolf
    laurenawolf Posts: 262 Member
    There is no possible way you were at 9.9% BF.

    10-13% for women is the bare minimum for life. That is competitive body builder status.

    The "ideal" category for women is 20-24%. As a reference point I am 5'2, 121lbs, have a muscular build and am 23% BF.

    Drop the cardio, start lifting weights. Heavy ones. What are you doing in your 45 minutes of lifting a day?

    OP is a male
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    Specific advice aside, the biggest thing is patience.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Possibly:

    -Reduce cardio by small amounts.
    -Increase resistance training to develop the LBM you lost at 1000 cals
    Expect a while before you find a new equilibrium
    Track track track.


    -Take diet breaks at the upper level of maintenance: add 200 cals to your 2000 and hold for a few weeks, then up again until you begin to gain, that really the upper limit.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    -Take diet breaks at the upper level of maintenance: add 200 cals to your 2000 and hold for a few weeks, then up again until you begin to gain, that really the upper limit.

    I fully recommend this.

    I also think that you might be eating at the bare minimum for maintenance and so your body keeps trying to refill and then shedding glycogen stores in response to calorie variations that bring you over and under that level. That might be what's causing the fluctuations. You should eat a little more, expect an increase of about 5 pounds and then consistently holding that steady weight.
  • wilsoje74
    wilsoje74 Posts: 1,720 Member
    There is no possible way you were at 9.9% BF.

    10-13% for women is the bare minimum for life. That is competitive body builder status.

    The "ideal" category for women is 20-24%. As a reference point I am 5'2, 121lbs, have a muscular build and am 23% BF.

    Drop the cardio, start lifting weights. Heavy ones. What are you doing in your 45 minutes of lifting a day?
    it's more possible for a male but 180 at 5'8" it sounds off.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    There is no possible way you were at 9.9% BF.

    10-13% for women is the bare minimum for life. That is competitive body builder status.

    The "ideal" category for women is 20-24%. As a reference point I am 5'2, 121lbs, have a muscular build and am 23% BF.

    Drop the cardio, start lifting weights. Heavy ones. What are you doing in your 45 minutes of lifting a day?
    it's more possible for a male but 180 at 5'8" it sounds off.

    He would be pretty jacked at that height and weight with only 9.9% BF%... would love to see the pics of the OP, big and ripped, nice combo. That said OP 2000 would not be nearly enough with that much LBM. Try 2600 and 3500 on weekends.
  • caesar164
    caesar164 Posts: 312 Member
    There is no possible way you were at 9.9% BF.

    10-13% for women is the bare minimum for life. That is competitive body builder status.

    The "ideal" category for women is 20-24%. As a reference point I am 5'2, 121lbs, have a muscular build and am 23% BF.

    Drop the cardio, start lifting weights. Heavy ones. What are you doing in your 45 minutes of lifting a day?

    I think its a male...
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    First of all, congratulations on the tremendous weight loss and getting yourself to 9.9% body fat! That is an amazing accomplishment, congratulations!

    Secondly, just know that you are in good company in terms of feeling nervous about weight fluctuations once you reach maintenance. Most people experience this phenomenon, as well as the emotions that come along with it. You are definitely not weird, and you're definitely not alone. :)

    Just out of curiosity, have you really sat down and figured out your official TDEE? Or did you arbitrarily set your numbers based on what you believe you should do? I ask because four hours of cardio a day on only 1,000 calories falls, IMHO, into the "dangerously anorexic" zone for most human beings. I would love to know where you came up with that equation?

    If you don't mind sharing your stats w/us I'd love to calculate a basic TDEE for you and just see how it compares to what you're currently doing. Do you mind posting your age, height, current weight, and activity level on a normal day (not exercise, but like your daily routine at work such as sitting at a desk vs. construction work, etc.)?

    Age: 23
    Height: 5'8"
    Current weight: 175 last weigh-in.
    Activity level: Not high, mostly desk with some walking around during the day for errands. My "job" for the past few years has been to lose weight.

    Great, thanks!

    I'm using the following calculator to figure out your TDEE: http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/tools/Calculator-Daily-Calorie.html

    I'd love for others to double-check my work as well.

    Here are the numbers I'm getting for maintenance (and this includes exercise calories, you would not eat them back, in this case). BTW, I'm using the "Very Active" category for the "Your Activity" setting, since you exercise 2+ hours each day but sit at a desk for work, and also said you might want to scale the cardio back a little more.

    Your BMR is 1860.71 and you would eat 3,210 calories a day for maintenance.

    Is this what other people are getting?
  • Entaro
    Entaro Posts: 23 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    I mean, I don't know what to say about the 9.9% body fat. I went to the hydrostatic weighing, got tested for breathing, dunked in a tub, weighed multiple times, and got a whole official neat-oh paper telling me about the 9.9% calculation and result.
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)
  • Entaro
    Entaro Posts: 23 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    Fair enough. :happy:

    Any thoughts on the TDEE calculation? (above)
  • Entaro
    Entaro Posts: 23 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    Fair enough. :happy:

    Any thoughts on the TDEE calculation? (above)

    I'd love something like that to be true, but from what I've experienced over the past few months it doesn't hold up. Being able to eat 3,200 calories a day for maintenance would be amazing, but right now I'm doing 2,000 and fluctuating, so increasing it in any way feels terrifying.
  • wilsoje74
    wilsoje74 Posts: 1,720 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    I mean, I don't know what to say about the 9.9% body fat. I went to the hydrostatic weighing, got tested for breathing, dunked in a tub, weighed multiple times, and got a whole official neat-oh paper telling me about the 9.9% calculation and result.
    are you very muscular with very little fat? Because 9% is low, not that I don't believe you but at only 5'8" you must be pretty muscular and lean. My husband is 6' and 165-170 lb and I don't think he's that low,
  • dieselbyte
    dieselbyte Posts: 733 Member
    Firstly, congratulations! That's a lot of hard work and dedication to get to where you are from where you were.

    Depending on how long and how agressively you cut will play a large role in weight gain once you increase calories. 4 hours of cardio wasn't necessary, and definitely isn't necessary in the long term, but the damage was already done. If you cut to 1000 calories and 4 hours of cardio right away, that is extremely aggressive. As was posted earlier, at some point your metabolism adapted to that amount of cardio and few calories. Upping your calories to 2000 and 3000 on the weekend, coupled with a decrease in cardio, is kind of like overload for your body and metabolism. All of a sudden you introduce all this extra energy - energy (calories) that your body didn't have before. Your metabolism is used to 1,000 - where is the extra 2,000 calories going to go? Our bodies are extremely efficient and want to maintain energy balance. If you don't use it, or have adapted to using lower energy, those extra calories will be stored.

    However, also understand that in maintenance, you will have weight fluctuations. Water weight, food weight - anywhere from a +/-10lbs swing is possible, even more depending on other factors.

    Slowly upping your calories every week, while slowly decreasing cardio is recommended. You have to ease your body into it and slowly increase your metabolic rate. Weight training, while not necessary, will help tremendously in the process as well.

    Also, just saw your TDEE as I posted this. You unfortunately aren't there yet - its just an estimate but doesn't take into account how you arrived at your weight. You CAN get there, but you will need to take it slow.
  • felonebeats
    felonebeats Posts: 433
    Great job on your weight loss,amazing.I'm 183lbs and around10-11% bf and my maintenance is about 3200 calories.I train 5 days a week with no cardio so I'd imagine you'd be around the same give or take
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    Fair enough. :happy:

    Any thoughts on the TDEE calculation? (above)

    I'd love something like that to be true, but from what I've experienced over the past few months it doesn't hold up. Being able to eat 3,200 calories a day for maintenance would be amazing, but right now I'm doing 2,000 and fluctuating, so increasing it in any way feels terrifying.

    Your weight will level out if you eat more. And don't be afraid to gain a little back. 9% is awesome and if you gain 5, it's not going to be hard to take off at all. MUCH easier than losing it the first time. Your muscles will probably use it right up anyway.
  • Brandolin11
    Brandolin11 Posts: 492 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    Fair enough. :happy:

    Any thoughts on the TDEE calculation? (above)

    I'd love something like that to be true, but from what I've experienced over the past few months it doesn't hold up. Being able to eat 3,200 calories a day for maintenance would be amazing, but right now I'm doing 2,000 and fluctuating, so increasing it in any way feels terrifying.

    Actually, fluctuating is totally normal. I'm on maintenance and can "lose" 4 lbs overnight. The "needle" on my weight stats goes up and down and up and down in all sorts of increments. If you were to look at my MFP chart over the course of 3 months or even 6 months you'd see that it looks like a heart monitor. But if you look closer, you would see that, on the average, that heartbeat-like line stays within the 128-131lb range. This is my "safe zone" and when I start to get out of it, I adjust a little lower for awhile and regain control. Been doing this now for 1.5 years.

    I'm no nutritionist, nor a doctor, so you should totally take my advice with a grain of salt. Ultimately you will have to figure out what calorie range is best for you and this takes trial and error when you are newly on maintenance. I had to do that myself. I just wanted you to see the numbers when done with a traditional TDEE calculator so you wouldn't feel so confused.

    That being said......I think the real issue here is the terrifying feeling you're experiencing, not the weight fluctuation. This is completely understandable considering you are so young and were 400+ lbs to start with. I, and many others here, know all too well the horrible spectre that was our life as an obese person. We know the "addiction" to eating, the hours spent bingeing, the money wasted, the life that's passed us by, the people we hurt, the potential we had when we were younger that we cannot reclaim.... We know what "going back there" will cost us and we'll do ANYTHING to protect it.

    Thus, any weight gain you feel you might have would be a terrifying prospect.

    I would highly advise a couple things for you right now (as you explore this stuff):

    1.) Think about sitting down with a good counselor who works with issues of obesity and compulsion and vent your fears. Even if just for a couple sessions. Just get it out, explore the mental and emotional side of this stuff. It's real, very real. And if you don't grieve it, get it out, and deal with it, you just might find it coming back to haunt you later. In fact, I almost guarantee it.

    2.) Relax, breathe, and learn to give yourself some grace and slack as you experiment with your calories, exercise regimen, etc. Trust that you have been doing this weight loss thing, this caring-for-yourself thing, for a LONG time now. Trust the process. Rest on your discipline. Remember that you will be okay. You will not "lose it all" in a few days. The more fearful and upset you become the greater the temptation to either restrict, overeat, or binge exercise....neither of which is helpful for your continued future success.

    If you feel comfortable sticking w/2,000 during the week and 3,000 on the weekend, record your progress over time so you can measure your AVERAGES (not your day-to-day fluctuations), and discover that it all shakes out just fine, then stick with it! If you find you're gaining large amounts of weight then perhaps it's time to visit a doc or nutritionist, because that math would not add up and there may be a medical issue going on. But only time, and experimentation, will tell. Good luck!
  • farfromthetree
    farfromthetree Posts: 982 Member
    Indeed I am male.

    Not to sound weird, but why not post a photo of your new, fit body! :) Wear it proudly! :)

    Generally I don't post my picture on the internet, it can lead to some iffy situations and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

    Fair enough. :happy:

    Any thoughts on the TDEE calculation? (above)

    I'd love something like that to be true, but from what I've experienced over the past few months it doesn't hold up. Being able to eat 3,200 calories a day for maintenance would be amazing, but right now I'm doing 2,000 and fluctuating, so increasing it in any way feels terrifying.

    I agree with Brandolins calculation,(Love your advice...you always know just what to say) if you put in a lighter activity level which is moderately active (exercise 3-5 times a week), it goes down to 2884. Does that seem less scary to you?

    I just went on maintenance and I know the feeling of being nervous about upping your calories. I am by no means an expert but, may I suggest still going out to eat on the weekends by still staying on goal? At 2800 calories(or whatever you set for yourself) , it should still be enough to eat a nice big breakfast then possibly lighten up on the dinner..? In my opinion, consistency is key. Then you truly know how the daily calories are effecting your weight. Good luck!
  • felonebeats
    felonebeats Posts: 433
    At 180lbs and doing as much cardio as you are you will lose weight quite quickly on 2000 calories I'd say.That's not enough