How I Starved Myself to Success!
seventhfloordown
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The title is tongue-in-cheek... it's my little laugh at what people say about intermittent fasting. The full post (including some screenshots of the charts I used) is at http://errantconvergence.com/949/the-12-week-experiment-halfway-point. The formatting is better on the blog. Also, this is a rather long post that serves as a defense of the Eat Stop Eat 2x per week fasting methodology.
Once Upon a Time...
When I fast for one day a week, I stay between 170 and 175 without much monitoring. However, I had some unrelated medical things come up that, besides adding stress, led to me having to give up the fasting for a while on doctor's orders (as it turned out, the fasting was not a problem, I don't actually have ANY medical issues, and the doctor allowed me to resume it this Spring). Along with new job stress and the holiday season (which seems to begin on Halloween, right?), I got up to about 195 at 5'9" by New Year's Day 2014. Now, that isn't obese, and in fact most people didn't think I "looked big" since I have always carried weight well, but I wasn't happy with myself. I went back to the 16-hour daily fast, but I had only dropped to 190 by March. Something had to change.
Then, Seven Weeks Ago...
I decided I would return to my roots, to the thing that has always worked for me. It's also the thing that flabbergasts most people, even when they see the results: I would return to the 1x - 2x per week daily fasting as a way to achieve reasonable weight loss of about 1.5 pounds per week. I also decided that, this time, I would chart my progress on a daily basis so that I could share the changes one a micro- and macro-level. I started thinking about what "progress" would mean for myself, but also for as many different types of people as possible. I settled on a few things to track:
- weight loss
- body fat loss
- strength gained/lost
- size changes
1) Weight Loss: This was a no-brainer, but I wanted to track it daily so that I could show others what happens on a daily basis. The results are pretty interesting. One thing that too many people forget is that weight is never static and is never the final indicator for fitness, body fat levels, etc.
2) Body Fat Loss: This is more complex since I didn't want to pay for something like submersion analysis or a DEXA scan. I settled on using the 3-, 7-, and 9-point caliper methods along with the Navy and YMCA methods, which involve measuring your waist, chest, etc.
3) Strength Gained/Lost: One tenet of weight loss is that it is impossible to gain muscle at the same time (unless you're entirely new to weight lifting) and that it's likely you'll lose muscle mass. Muscle mass, per se, isn't an issue for me. I wanted to look physically better, which didn't necessarily mean looking bigger. However, measuring strength seemed like a good way to track the effect this has on what mattered to me, which is the numbers in the weight room.
4) Size Changes: I was measuring for the Navy/YMCA calculations anyway, so I decided to measure some other areas, just to get an idea of how my body was changing, maybe see where the fat was actually dropping.
Data Tracking
As I mentioned, I tracked my data on a daily and weekly basis. I don't recommend doing this if you have never had success losing weight or if you're new to trying. Daily changes and analysis can be exhausting. I happen to be a number nerd and I enjoy tracking things, so it is motivating and focusing for me. Basically, I did the following:
1) weighed myself every morning, usually meaning about six to eight hours after I had gone to bed (I didn't drink any water, got rid of any "water" that had accumulated while I slept, etc.)
2) measured myself every week, at about the same time
3) did the body fat check using calipers
4) tracked my strength (based on estimated max) for four major lifts: squats, deadlifts, bench press, overhead press
I collected all of this information and compiled it in Microsoft Excel, which let me do some things that made the process interesting:
1) I was able to go by weekly averages for weight rather than what I happened to weigh on one day. Since weight fluctuates with hormone levels, water retention, the number of carbohydrates you've consumed, etc., going by a weekly average seemed like a far more logical (and accurate) method for tracking.
2) I was able to measure daily changes (gains and losses in weight) while seeing an overall pattern of weight loss.
3) I was able to track rough maximum and minimum weight each week. This was useful for me to establish the range I was cycling through during the week.
Here's a screenshot to serve as a sample (must go to site)
The red row, by the way, was a goal date. In that case, I was supposed to be at or below 185 pounds on average for that week. I set goal dates for 185, 180, 175, and 170 pounds. So far, I have made the first two. Although being at that weight by the exact date was a secondary goal, the primary goal was for the weekly average to be at or below the number. As you can see, it wasn't a linear decline in weight. In fact, Sunday 5/18 was disheartening, despite the overall progress, because I was back above 185. Nonetheless, my average for Week 5 was 183.26 and my average for Week 6 turned out to be 182.94. Only a small difference, but I was still ahead of my goal. And if Week 7 (this current week) is anything like Week 6, the average for the week will be ~179 pounds.
The major lesson here is that your weight is dynamic. It changes constantly. It is easy to become discouraged by one reading, which is why most experts will tell you to not worry too much about them if you are sticking to your plan. I did stick to my plan and, so far, it has worked as well as I had hoped. I will have to make some adjustments as more time passes. For one, I have to continue to lower the deficit on days I do eat. As I lose weight, I have to cut my calories lower to experience the same weight loss. I'll also have to decide a fair question: at what point is the effort not worth the reward? If I wake up at 175 and decide that's enough, then that's the end. And I'll adjust accordingly.
The Plan Itself
It was a really simple plan. My cousin actually does something similar, and he gave it a clever name: The Fastkins Diet.
Basically...
1) two days per week of fasting (water only), so, I didn't eat a single calorie on Monday or Wednesday, which meant I was going beyond 24-hours fasted, usually 30 to 36 hours. To be honest, unless I was at home, this wasn't a problem.
2) four days per week of being as low carb as possible. I didn't stress about this too much. Really, it meant that I avoided grains, snacky foods, etc. I still drank a Guinness or Samuel Adams when I wanted one. I don't know that I would have qualified as low-carb, really, but I did avoid most carbs.
3) one day per week (Fridays... Keli's Homemade Pizza Night!) when I was free to eat whatever. I didn't go nuts, usually, but I did consume more calories than I normally would, even if I wasn't dieting.
4) structure total weekly calories to meet your weight loss goals (assume 3500 calories per pound and figure out your TDEE using several online calculators; subtract the number of calories you require (TDEE x 7) per week from the number of calories you actually take in, and that will give you a goal.
Note: this is only a way of watching how much you eat... I have rarely found that tracking calories provides an accurate estimate of what you will lose, especially if you use intermittent fasting. I set the daily goals only as a means of knowing what I wanted to come in at: (chart on site)
That's it. I did some optional things that suit my personality (and possibly help with weight loss), such as
1) work out four times per week (the ol' upper/lower body split) with exercises designed to maintain muscle and burn as many calories as possible;
2) HIIT (hill sprints, intervals, etc.) two times per week, mainly to improve cardiovascular health, but also to help offset any mistakes in my diet (you still cannot outtrain a bad diet);
3) not eating until 4 PM or later most days (this is personal preference... I like large meals rather than more frequent but smaller meals).
4) In the interest of maintaining muscle and strength, I tried to make fasted days coincide with HIIT days, but when it wasn't an option, I went ahead and worked out on the fasted days.
The true measure of success was the weekly changes in weight, body fat estimates, and size measurements.
The Results
Monday, 4/21/2014: 190 pounds, 22% body fat, Chest 40.5", Waist (navel) 36.75", Deadlift Estimated Max: 289, Bench Press Estimated Max: 252
Wednesday, 5/28/2014: 178 pounds, 16% body fat, Chest 40", Waist (navel) 35.5", Deadlift/Bench Press numbers unchanged
That's 12 pounds lost (9 pounds if you go by weekly average, from 189 to 180 this week), roughly 6% body fat lost, .5" from chest, 1.25" from waist at navel, and no indicated strength loss.
Analysis
First, I'm encouraged because the estimate of lean body mass has stayed within a couple pounds. In other words, 190 * 22% = ~148 LBM while 178 * 16% = ~149 LBM. That's good because it indicates that (a) the measurements are useful for measuring body fat lost and (b) it indicates I'm not losing much, if any, muscle (which is also supported by the fact that my deadlift and bench press numbers are unchanged).
Second, my overhead press and squat actually improved, but that's because I had reset the numbers to a very low level in order to work on form. I don't think that the deadlift/bench press number consistency can be explained by "getting better" (the neurological component that helps improve lifting) at the lifts because I have been doing them for years.
Third, I am losing size around my waist, which is where I tend to store my body fat. On a side note, one reason I decided to include the 9-point caliper method despite the fact that it is generally not used is because it includes "back fat", which is where I store most of mine. It actually skewed my numbers high, which (I think) offset some low numbers from the 3- and 7-point system.
I should be at my goal weight (170 pounds) by mid-July. Once I'm there, I will fall back to a 1x per week full fast along with my preferred eating pattern (eat one large meal in the evening). I'll add a second full fast if a party/event is coming up. Otherwise, I won't track anything, which I will kind of miss... I have enjoyed playing with the data.
THE END
There you have it. I thought I would share this here, as it might encourage someone who has stalled to give it a whirl. If you would like to post your outrage at what I do, share threats about the eternal damage I am doing to my body, or generally spout off about what an idiot I am, go right on. I won't debate you. The fact is, for years I stayed between 170 and 175 with very little monitoring by using 1 - 2x per week fasting. I was never sick; my metabolism never slowed or became damaged; I never experienced exhaustion or had to scale back my workouts.
The person with experience is never at the mercy of the person with information. I believe there are many roads to success. This is the one that worked for me. Had it not been for Brad Pilon and his Eat Stop Eat book (which I recommend you read before trying fasting), I would likely have been stuck in a yo-yo rut of cycling between 170 and 200 pounds. If vegan worked for you, fantastic; if low-carb worked for you, fantastic; if "sensible eating" worked for you, fantastic.
If none of them did, start reading Eat Stop Eat, then give it a try.
Once Upon a Time...
When I fast for one day a week, I stay between 170 and 175 without much monitoring. However, I had some unrelated medical things come up that, besides adding stress, led to me having to give up the fasting for a while on doctor's orders (as it turned out, the fasting was not a problem, I don't actually have ANY medical issues, and the doctor allowed me to resume it this Spring). Along with new job stress and the holiday season (which seems to begin on Halloween, right?), I got up to about 195 at 5'9" by New Year's Day 2014. Now, that isn't obese, and in fact most people didn't think I "looked big" since I have always carried weight well, but I wasn't happy with myself. I went back to the 16-hour daily fast, but I had only dropped to 190 by March. Something had to change.
Then, Seven Weeks Ago...
I decided I would return to my roots, to the thing that has always worked for me. It's also the thing that flabbergasts most people, even when they see the results: I would return to the 1x - 2x per week daily fasting as a way to achieve reasonable weight loss of about 1.5 pounds per week. I also decided that, this time, I would chart my progress on a daily basis so that I could share the changes one a micro- and macro-level. I started thinking about what "progress" would mean for myself, but also for as many different types of people as possible. I settled on a few things to track:
- weight loss
- body fat loss
- strength gained/lost
- size changes
1) Weight Loss: This was a no-brainer, but I wanted to track it daily so that I could show others what happens on a daily basis. The results are pretty interesting. One thing that too many people forget is that weight is never static and is never the final indicator for fitness, body fat levels, etc.
2) Body Fat Loss: This is more complex since I didn't want to pay for something like submersion analysis or a DEXA scan. I settled on using the 3-, 7-, and 9-point caliper methods along with the Navy and YMCA methods, which involve measuring your waist, chest, etc.
3) Strength Gained/Lost: One tenet of weight loss is that it is impossible to gain muscle at the same time (unless you're entirely new to weight lifting) and that it's likely you'll lose muscle mass. Muscle mass, per se, isn't an issue for me. I wanted to look physically better, which didn't necessarily mean looking bigger. However, measuring strength seemed like a good way to track the effect this has on what mattered to me, which is the numbers in the weight room.
4) Size Changes: I was measuring for the Navy/YMCA calculations anyway, so I decided to measure some other areas, just to get an idea of how my body was changing, maybe see where the fat was actually dropping.
Data Tracking
As I mentioned, I tracked my data on a daily and weekly basis. I don't recommend doing this if you have never had success losing weight or if you're new to trying. Daily changes and analysis can be exhausting. I happen to be a number nerd and I enjoy tracking things, so it is motivating and focusing for me. Basically, I did the following:
1) weighed myself every morning, usually meaning about six to eight hours after I had gone to bed (I didn't drink any water, got rid of any "water" that had accumulated while I slept, etc.)
2) measured myself every week, at about the same time
3) did the body fat check using calipers
4) tracked my strength (based on estimated max) for four major lifts: squats, deadlifts, bench press, overhead press
I collected all of this information and compiled it in Microsoft Excel, which let me do some things that made the process interesting:
1) I was able to go by weekly averages for weight rather than what I happened to weigh on one day. Since weight fluctuates with hormone levels, water retention, the number of carbohydrates you've consumed, etc., going by a weekly average seemed like a far more logical (and accurate) method for tracking.
2) I was able to measure daily changes (gains and losses in weight) while seeing an overall pattern of weight loss.
3) I was able to track rough maximum and minimum weight each week. This was useful for me to establish the range I was cycling through during the week.
Here's a screenshot to serve as a sample (must go to site)
The red row, by the way, was a goal date. In that case, I was supposed to be at or below 185 pounds on average for that week. I set goal dates for 185, 180, 175, and 170 pounds. So far, I have made the first two. Although being at that weight by the exact date was a secondary goal, the primary goal was for the weekly average to be at or below the number. As you can see, it wasn't a linear decline in weight. In fact, Sunday 5/18 was disheartening, despite the overall progress, because I was back above 185. Nonetheless, my average for Week 5 was 183.26 and my average for Week 6 turned out to be 182.94. Only a small difference, but I was still ahead of my goal. And if Week 7 (this current week) is anything like Week 6, the average for the week will be ~179 pounds.
The major lesson here is that your weight is dynamic. It changes constantly. It is easy to become discouraged by one reading, which is why most experts will tell you to not worry too much about them if you are sticking to your plan. I did stick to my plan and, so far, it has worked as well as I had hoped. I will have to make some adjustments as more time passes. For one, I have to continue to lower the deficit on days I do eat. As I lose weight, I have to cut my calories lower to experience the same weight loss. I'll also have to decide a fair question: at what point is the effort not worth the reward? If I wake up at 175 and decide that's enough, then that's the end. And I'll adjust accordingly.
The Plan Itself
It was a really simple plan. My cousin actually does something similar, and he gave it a clever name: The Fastkins Diet.
Basically...
1) two days per week of fasting (water only), so, I didn't eat a single calorie on Monday or Wednesday, which meant I was going beyond 24-hours fasted, usually 30 to 36 hours. To be honest, unless I was at home, this wasn't a problem.
2) four days per week of being as low carb as possible. I didn't stress about this too much. Really, it meant that I avoided grains, snacky foods, etc. I still drank a Guinness or Samuel Adams when I wanted one. I don't know that I would have qualified as low-carb, really, but I did avoid most carbs.
3) one day per week (Fridays... Keli's Homemade Pizza Night!) when I was free to eat whatever. I didn't go nuts, usually, but I did consume more calories than I normally would, even if I wasn't dieting.
4) structure total weekly calories to meet your weight loss goals (assume 3500 calories per pound and figure out your TDEE using several online calculators; subtract the number of calories you require (TDEE x 7) per week from the number of calories you actually take in, and that will give you a goal.
Note: this is only a way of watching how much you eat... I have rarely found that tracking calories provides an accurate estimate of what you will lose, especially if you use intermittent fasting. I set the daily goals only as a means of knowing what I wanted to come in at: (chart on site)
That's it. I did some optional things that suit my personality (and possibly help with weight loss), such as
1) work out four times per week (the ol' upper/lower body split) with exercises designed to maintain muscle and burn as many calories as possible;
2) HIIT (hill sprints, intervals, etc.) two times per week, mainly to improve cardiovascular health, but also to help offset any mistakes in my diet (you still cannot outtrain a bad diet);
3) not eating until 4 PM or later most days (this is personal preference... I like large meals rather than more frequent but smaller meals).
4) In the interest of maintaining muscle and strength, I tried to make fasted days coincide with HIIT days, but when it wasn't an option, I went ahead and worked out on the fasted days.
The true measure of success was the weekly changes in weight, body fat estimates, and size measurements.
The Results
Monday, 4/21/2014: 190 pounds, 22% body fat, Chest 40.5", Waist (navel) 36.75", Deadlift Estimated Max: 289, Bench Press Estimated Max: 252
Wednesday, 5/28/2014: 178 pounds, 16% body fat, Chest 40", Waist (navel) 35.5", Deadlift/Bench Press numbers unchanged
That's 12 pounds lost (9 pounds if you go by weekly average, from 189 to 180 this week), roughly 6% body fat lost, .5" from chest, 1.25" from waist at navel, and no indicated strength loss.
Analysis
First, I'm encouraged because the estimate of lean body mass has stayed within a couple pounds. In other words, 190 * 22% = ~148 LBM while 178 * 16% = ~149 LBM. That's good because it indicates that (a) the measurements are useful for measuring body fat lost and (b) it indicates I'm not losing much, if any, muscle (which is also supported by the fact that my deadlift and bench press numbers are unchanged).
Second, my overhead press and squat actually improved, but that's because I had reset the numbers to a very low level in order to work on form. I don't think that the deadlift/bench press number consistency can be explained by "getting better" (the neurological component that helps improve lifting) at the lifts because I have been doing them for years.
Third, I am losing size around my waist, which is where I tend to store my body fat. On a side note, one reason I decided to include the 9-point caliper method despite the fact that it is generally not used is because it includes "back fat", which is where I store most of mine. It actually skewed my numbers high, which (I think) offset some low numbers from the 3- and 7-point system.
I should be at my goal weight (170 pounds) by mid-July. Once I'm there, I will fall back to a 1x per week full fast along with my preferred eating pattern (eat one large meal in the evening). I'll add a second full fast if a party/event is coming up. Otherwise, I won't track anything, which I will kind of miss... I have enjoyed playing with the data.
THE END
There you have it. I thought I would share this here, as it might encourage someone who has stalled to give it a whirl. If you would like to post your outrage at what I do, share threats about the eternal damage I am doing to my body, or generally spout off about what an idiot I am, go right on. I won't debate you. The fact is, for years I stayed between 170 and 175 with very little monitoring by using 1 - 2x per week fasting. I was never sick; my metabolism never slowed or became damaged; I never experienced exhaustion or had to scale back my workouts.
The person with experience is never at the mercy of the person with information. I believe there are many roads to success. This is the one that worked for me. Had it not been for Brad Pilon and his Eat Stop Eat book (which I recommend you read before trying fasting), I would likely have been stuck in a yo-yo rut of cycling between 170 and 200 pounds. If vegan worked for you, fantastic; if low-carb worked for you, fantastic; if "sensible eating" worked for you, fantastic.
If none of them did, start reading Eat Stop Eat, then give it a try.
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I think fasting is a great way to lose weight.... Everyone says how unhealthy it is, it is nice to see someone post about it in such a good light! Fasting ALWAYS worked for me but hearing such negative things about it has deterred me from starting again. Thanks for the post- it is just what I needed to get back on track and start fasting/ eating healthy!0
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I think fasting is a great way to lose weight.... Everyone says how unhealthy it is, it is nice to see someone post about it in such a good light! Fasting ALWAYS worked for me but hearing such negative things about it has deterred me from starting again. Thanks for the post- it is just what I needed to get back on track and start fasting/ eating healthy!
I think some people can handle it better than others. If I go without eating I get a horrible headache and feel like I'm going to throw up. I'm sure I couldn't last an entire day feeling like that.0 -
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I tried to fast thought I was going to chew my arm off
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Congrats on your success!
I'm doing IF between 4:30-7PM. If I worked out a lot that day, I might sneak in a hard boiled egg or two before bed, but otherwise that 2.5 window is for me.0 -
I began fasting since jan 6 and so far I have lost 55.4 pounds!0
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Very thorough self study....well done.
I've been fasting 3 days a week since 27th Jan and have lost 59 lbs. I tried water only fasts early last year and although it was successful, I fell off the wagon big time! This time I'm eating up to 500 cals on fast days at the end of the day which gives me around a 23hr fast and have found it easier to stick to.0 -
I'm doing the 5-2 diet (monday and thursday 600 calories after 7:00pm). The first week I had headaches and that was all. I have more energy now and am loosing weight. I do battle on non fast days to stay within my calorie limit but in general feel better for doing the 5-2 diet. (started in April ). It's not for everyone, but is in most cases achievable for everyone.0
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hardly starving yourself to success is it. http://eatstopeatreview.info has good advice on IF if you need any.0
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