Protein and vegetarianism
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Almonds and cottage cheese serve me well.
I'm looking to reduce my meat intake, so I'm interested in this thread.0 -
Found these awhile back. Hopefully they are accurate. Also Quinoa.
They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.0 -
No that was when I was in my 20's. Got a job and fat since then.
I was 20 grams of protein on about a 1800 - 2000 calorie a day diet which was still calorically deficient for my activity hence the continued weight loss throughout.
I guess you could be right in that the it was all just a calorie / fitness thing. I know when I added back in some lean meat I opened up a few more calories a day but I've always sort of put the body composition thing into the hands of protein. At the time, I definitely felt like it was the protein that reshaped things though since I did not gain more than a few pounds but looked worlds different once I upped it.
You are claiming 4% protein by calories. I have a very hard time conceiving of any diet of fruits, veggies, and grains that is 4% protein by calories. Could you provide me any example of such a diet? I even tried once, and I couldn't manage to get below 5%, and that was by eating mostly apples and grapes. Throw in any vegetables or grains, and it shoots up pretty quickly. So, I am having a hard time imagining why it was difficult for you to only get 4%.0 -
Found these awhile back. Hopefully they are accurate. Also Quinoa.
They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.
They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.0 -
You are claiming 4% protein by calories. I have a very hard time conceiving of any diet of fruits, veggies, and grains that is 4% protein by calories. Could you provide me any example of such a diet? I even tried once, and I couldn't manage to get below 5%, and that was by eating mostly apples and grapes. Throw in any vegetables or grains, and it shoots up pretty quickly. So, I am having a hard time imagining why it was difficult for you to only get 4%.
I wasn't a calorie counter back then so I mostly just kept track of the stuff I knew had protein in it (i.e. food labels). Never occurred to me to count the protein from an apple...
Bananas, broccoli, rice, peas, apples, oranges, bell peppers and TONS of V8. Aside from the can mostly just stuff that I grabbed from the produce section of the store.
I did keep tabs on my calories, so I know they were in the range of 1800-2000 but honestly the protein numbers I had from the fruits and veggies back then were always low... of course that was back when a single book was considered reference and before the entire world of information was completely digitized.0 -
1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight is crazy high. That comes out to like 30% protein by calories for sedentary individuals which is 3 times the WHO recommendation. There is no evidence that this is needed, not even for body builders. The absolute highest I have seen for body builders was .82g/lb, and they were routinely burning through 5,000 calories a day, so the percentage never really got above about 15% calories by protein. And this has more to do with maintaining nitrogen balance than actually having enough protein to repair and rebuild.0 -
I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian and get a decent amount of protein eating beans, cheese, quinoa, and peanut butter. You can look at my diary to get an idea of what I eat (Thursday and earlier, yesterday I had lots of cupcakes so ignore that lol)
Beans, shredded cheese, whole wheat bread/tortillas, and peanut butter are pretty cheap. I'm a full time student making minimum wage so I totally understand where you're coming from.0 -
You are claiming 4% protein by calories. I have a very hard time conceiving of any diet of fruits, veggies, and grains that is 4% protein by calories. Could you provide me any example of such a diet? I even tried once, and I couldn't manage to get below 5%, and that was by eating mostly apples and grapes. Throw in any vegetables or grains, and it shoots up pretty quickly. So, I am having a hard time imagining why it was difficult for you to only get 4%.
I wasn't a calorie counter back then so I mostly just kept track of the stuff I knew had protein in it (i.e. food labels). Never occurred to me to count the protein from an apple...
Bananas, broccoli, rice, peas, apples, oranges, bell peppers and TONS of V8. Aside from the can mostly just stuff that I grabbed from the produce section of the store.
I did keep tabs on my calories, so I know they were in the range of 1800-2000 but honestly the protein numbers I had from the fruits and veggies back then were always low... of course that was back when a single book was considered reference and before the entire world of information was completely digitized.
I would say if you ate an equal proportion of all those foods, you would be easily looking at 9% protein by calories, or 45 grams.0 -
They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.
They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.
Not that I am a math wiz.... but perhaps Im just confused. if the chart is showing percent of protein of total calories, then something is amiss.
100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein (12 grams* 4 calories per gram = 48 calories out of 100 is protein) neat!
however, 100 calories of Chicken breast meat has 21 grams protein ( 21*4= 84 calories out of 100 is protein) which is outstandingly higher than the "23%" that the chart calls out.
I don't care either way, I just like to know how things like this get calculated.0 -
Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
This post is just ridiculous.
I think that might be on you. Incredible claims are often the ones that require evidence.
I was a vegan for five years, worked out and exercised every day on a protein deficient diet and while I was "healthy" I looked like I had AIDS and or was undergoing cancer treatment.
Not sure I could jump into the camp of protein being a myth without some facts to support it.
Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating just fruits and veggies.
And I should mentioned they don't list it as % of calories. They list it as a protein/kg of body weight. .66 grams per kg of bodyweight is their recommendation for an adult. For a 70kg adult, that comes out to 184.8 (.66 x 4 x 70) calories of protein per day. It that 70kg adult is a 25 year old male of 178 cm in height, then their RMR is around 2,000 calories. So, for this adult male, the recommendation is 9.25% protein by calories for a sedentary individual. If that person is very active and they burn an extra 1,000 calories in a day, then it would drop to 6.2% protein by calories.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?ua=1
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
I guess you don't understand the difference between "minimal" and "optimal". The WHO recommendations are the minimum amount to avoid malnutrition.0 -
Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
Yes! This ????‼0 -
Low fat dairy and beans, and fish if you eat it?
Why would a vegetarian eat fish lol
I know a lot of people who call themselves vegetarian and eat fish.... Not sure why you found that funny though?
That's called a pescatarian
Vegetarians do not eat animals. But for some reason people don't consider fish an animals. Blows my mind.
and of course eggs are plants0 -
They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.
They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.
Not that I am a math wiz.... but perhaps Im just confused. if the chart is showing percent of protein of total calories, then something is amiss.
100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein (12 grams* 4 calories per gram = 48 calories out of 100 is protein) neat!
however, 100 calories of Chicken breast meat has 21 grams protein ( 21*4= 84 calories out of 100 is protein) which is outstandingly higher than the "23%" that the chart calls out.
I don't care either way, I just like to know how things like this get calculated.
Yes, the chart doesn't list the type of chicken or beef and the ratio can vary immensely. Beef can be anywhere from 5% protein and 95% fat to 95% protein and 5% fat. Chicken can vary immensely, but not this much. Chicken tends to have less fat overall. But was it chicken with skin or without skin? A good deal of online nutritional data comes from the industries that are promoting that product, so what you see on nutrition websites is usually the best, most premium cuts they could find and then averaged from there.0 -
Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
This post is just ridiculous.
I think that might be on you. Incredible claims are often the ones that require evidence.
I was a vegan for five years, worked out and exercised every day on a protein deficient diet and while I was "healthy" I looked like I had AIDS and or was undergoing cancer treatment.
Not sure I could jump into the camp of protein being a myth without some facts to support it.
Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating just fruits and veggies.
And I should mentioned they don't list it as % of calories. They list it as a protein/kg of body weight. .66 grams per kg of bodyweight is their recommendation for an adult. For a 70kg adult, that comes out to 184.8 (.66 x 4 x 70) calories of protein per day. It that 70kg adult is a 25 year old male of 178 cm in height, then their RMR is around 2,000 calories. So, for this adult male, the recommendation is 9.25% protein by calories for a sedentary individual. If that person is very active and they burn an extra 1,000 calories in a day, then it would drop to 6.2% protein by calories.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?ua=1
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
Just lol. :laugh:0 -
Obviously!Low fat dairy and beans, and fish if you eat it?
Why would a vegetarian eat fish lol
I know a lot of people who call themselves vegetarian and eat fish.... Not sure why you found that funny though?
That's called a pescatarian
Vegetarians do not eat animals. But for some reason people don't consider fish an animals. Blows my mind.
and of course eggs are plants
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They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.
They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.
Not that I am a math wiz.... but perhaps Im just confused. if the chart is showing percent of protein of total calories, then something is amiss.
100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein (12 grams* 4 calories per gram = 48 calories out of 100 is protein) neat!
however, 100 calories of Chicken breast meat has 21 grams protein ( 21*4= 84 calories out of 100 is protein) which is outstandingly higher than the "23%" that the chart calls out.
I don't care either way, I just like to know how things like this get calculated.
Yes, the chart doesn't list the type of chicken or beef and the ratio can vary immensely. Beef can be anywhere from 5% protein and 95% fat to 95% protein and 5% fat. Chicken can vary immensely, but not this much. Chicken tends to have less fat overall. But was it chicken with skin or without skin? A good deal of online nutritional data comes from the industries that are promoting that product, so what you see on nutrition websites is usually the best, most premium cuts they could find and then averaged from there.
I found it fun because it spurred me to run the numbers and found that you can get the same amount of protein (12 grams) from 100 calories of spinach as you can from 100 calories of Chicken breast eaten with the fat and skin. Enlightenment is fun. The more you know.... :-)0 -
They must be referring to percentage of protein by weight here. would have to eat a tremendous amount of raw spinach to get an appreciable amount of protein!!!!!!! ( 500 grams of spinach to get 14 grams protein)
neat chart though.
They are listing protein of total calories. One cup of spinach is 1 gram of protein which is more than say an apple, or a cup of grapes.
Not that I am a math wiz.... but perhaps Im just confused. if the chart is showing percent of protein of total calories, then something is amiss.
100 calories of spinach has 12 grams of protein (12 grams* 4 calories per gram = 48 calories out of 100 is protein) neat!
however, 100 calories of Chicken breast meat has 21 grams protein ( 21*4= 84 calories out of 100 is protein) which is outstandingly higher than the "23%" that the chart calls out.
I don't care either way, I just like to know how things like this get calculated.
Yes, the chart doesn't list the type of chicken or beef and the ratio can vary immensely. Beef can be anywhere from 5% protein and 95% fat to 95% protein and 5% fat. Chicken can vary immensely, but not this much. Chicken tends to have less fat overall. But was it chicken with skin or without skin? A good deal of online nutritional data comes from the industries that are promoting that product, so what you see on nutrition websites is usually the best, most premium cuts they could find and then averaged from there.
I found it fun because it spurred me to run the numbers and found that you can get the same amount of protein (12 grams) from 100 calories of spinach as you can from 100 calories of Chicken breast eaten with the fat and skin. Enlightenment is fun. The more you know.... :-)
what about with 100 calories of chicken breast, fat and skin removed?0 -
Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
This post is just ridiculous.
I think that might be on you. Incredible claims are often the ones that require evidence.
I was a vegan for five years, worked out and exercised every day on a protein deficient diet and while I was "healthy" I looked like I had AIDS and or was undergoing cancer treatment.
Not sure I could jump into the camp of protein being a myth without some facts to support it.
Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating just fruits and veggies.
And I should mentioned they don't list it as % of calories. They list it as a protein/kg of body weight. .66 grams per kg of bodyweight is their recommendation for an adult. For a 70kg adult, that comes out to 184.8 (.66 x 4 x 70) calories of protein per day. It that 70kg adult is a 25 year old male of 178 cm in height, then their RMR is around 2,000 calories. So, for this adult male, the recommendation is 9.25% protein by calories for a sedentary individual. If that person is very active and they burn an extra 1,000 calories in a day, then it would drop to 6.2% protein by calories.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?ua=1
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
I guess you don't understand the difference between "minimal" and "optimal". The WHO recommendations are the minimum amount to avoid malnutrition.
I addressed that in my other post concerning recommended protein intake for bodybuilders.
Also, if you would read the information I posted, you will find that the WHO determined 2.5% protein by calories was sufficient for 97.5% of the population. That other 2.5% had absorption issues. At 5% it just up to 99% of the population is covered. Then they doubled it again just to be safe.
Optimal for bodybuilders is still less than 15% protein by calories.0 -
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Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
This post is just ridiculous.
I think that might be on you. Incredible claims are often the ones that require evidence.
I was a vegan for five years, worked out and exercised every day on a protein deficient diet and while I was "healthy" I looked like I had AIDS and or was undergoing cancer treatment.
Not sure I could jump into the camp of protein being a myth without some facts to support it.
Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating just fruits and veggies.
And I should mentioned they don't list it as % of calories. They list it as a protein/kg of body weight. .66 grams per kg of bodyweight is their recommendation for an adult. For a 70kg adult, that comes out to 184.8 (.66 x 4 x 70) calories of protein per day. It that 70kg adult is a 25 year old male of 178 cm in height, then their RMR is around 2,000 calories. So, for this adult male, the recommendation is 9.25% protein by calories for a sedentary individual. If that person is very active and they burn an extra 1,000 calories in a day, then it would drop to 6.2% protein by calories.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?ua=1
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
Just lol. :laugh:
I'm vegan and this BS just makes me want to punch a vegan...if the person who wrote the I don't even know what to call it because it doesn't come anywhere near science about protein intake is vegan.
Seriously ignore that whoever reads it.0 -
what about with 100 calories of chicken breast, fat and skin removed?
according to MFP it was 21 grams which is 84 calories out of 100 being protein which is pretty sweet ratio.0 -
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I'm vegan and this BS just makes me want to punch a vegan...if the person who wrote the I don't even know what to call it because it doesn't come anywhere near science about protein intake is vegan.
Seriously ignore that whoever reads it.
Any references to counter the dozens of studies compiled by the WHO to which I linked?0 -
Quorn, nuts, beans0
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When I was a student, one of my favourite quick and cheap breakfasts were egg, cheese, and black bean burritos.
Basically, pick up some tortillas, add some black beans (you can use canned but dried beans are dirt cheap), some cheese, a scrambled egg or two, and a bit of salsa. Best thing about these is that you can make a few ahead of time and when you are running late, you can toss them in the microwave and then take them to-go.
With the beans, cheese, and eggs in it, it should have a decent amount of protein.0 -
ETA: Can't even be bothered.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets0 -
OP Your fine with your intake. The protein hype in this country is overrated and not really that healthy. People who say things like cutting out carbs...really it just referring to cutting out processed crap.0
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I use a vegan Pea protein shake mix. 2 servings (@ breakfast and lunch) equals 40 grams of protein for a total of around 200 calories.
It also is tasty and filling. Then I usually have some beans, tofu or nuts everyday. This gives me sufficient protein. Maybe even more than enough!0 -
Most top level natural bodybuilders haven't even gained this much muscle over a lifetime. Either you took drugs or your full of it.
Would you like to provide an intelligent rebuttal?Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.
A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.
This post is just ridiculous.
I think that might be on you. Incredible claims are often the ones that require evidence.
I was a vegan for five years, worked out and exercised every day on a protein deficient diet and while I was "healthy" I looked like I had AIDS and or was undergoing cancer treatment.
Not sure I could jump into the camp of protein being a myth without some facts to support it.
Numerous studies by the WHO have determined that 97.5% of the adult population need only around 2.5% calories by protein. They doubled this to cover 99% of the adult population. They then doubled it again just to be safe. 10% protein by calories. It is almost impossible to get less than 7% or 8% protein by calories eating just fruits and veggies.
And I should mentioned they don't list it as % of calories. They list it as a protein/kg of body weight. .66 grams per kg of bodyweight is their recommendation for an adult. For a 70kg adult, that comes out to 184.8 (.66 x 4 x 70) calories of protein per day. It that 70kg adult is a 25 year old male of 178 cm in height, then their RMR is around 2,000 calories. So, for this adult male, the recommendation is 9.25% protein by calories for a sedentary individual. If that person is very active and they burn an extra 1,000 calories in a day, then it would drop to 6.2% protein by calories.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?ua=1
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.0 -
Most top level natural bodybuilders haven't even gained this much muscle over a lifetime. Either you took drugs or your full of it.I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
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1.4-2g of protein per kg of bodyweight is beneficial for individuals engaged in intense exercise:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20048505
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19278045
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17908291
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18500966
2-3g/kg is beneficial for athletes:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
Older subjects lost lean mass getting the RDA protein recommendations (.8g/kg):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11382798
Double the RDA outperformed the RDA for individuals in a calorie deficit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/495538
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16046715
Triple the RDA outperformed the RDA for individuals in a calorie deficit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19927027
Subjects with a 1.5g/kg protein intake lost fat and gained lean mass:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10838463
Of people that don't exercise, high protien intake causes less lean-mass loss:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17299116
Ok, all of these studies reference athletes. Athletes are going to burn more a lot more calories than a non-athlete. Without knowing the calories that they burned, it is impossible to know the percentage of protein calories. 2g/kg of bodyweight for someone burning 6,000 calories in intense workouts is right around 10% protein by calories.
It certainly would help if these scientists would use percent protein by calories, because then there would be a consistent base from which to compare.
And as I previously mentioned, the highest recommendation I have ever heard of in a study is .81g / POUND of bodyweight, which is 1.78g/kg for bodybuilders.
And you need to read the studies which you post.
2-3g/kg is beneficial for athletes:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
"However, there are few convincing outcome data to indicate that the ingestion of a high amount of protein (2-3 g x kg(-1) BW x day(-1), where BW = body weight) is necessary. "
Older subjects lost lean mass getting the RDA protein recommendations (.8g/kg):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11382798
Lack of a control group.
Double the RDA outperformed the RDA for individuals in a calorie deficit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16046715
First off, these were all obese subjects.
"Subjects in the PRO and PRO + EX groups lost more total weight and fat mass and tended to lose less lean mass (P = 0.10) than the CHO and CHO + EX groups. Exercise increased loss of body fat and preserved lean mass."
0.05 < p <or= 0.1 : low presumption against neutral hypothesis
In other words, the data showed low statistical significance.
Triple the RDA outperformed the RDA for individuals in a calorie deficit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19927027
"Fatigue ratings and "worse than normal" scores on the Daily Analysis of Life Demands for Athletes were higher in HP."
Of people that don't exercise, high protien intake causes less lean-mass loss:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17299116
Irrelevant. Consuming more protein during catabolization will slow the rate of catabolization. It doesn't mean that consuming more protein increases muscle mass on sedentary individuals. Show me a study with sedentary individuals increasing muscle mass from eating more protein and not increasing fat.
The rest of the studies actually support my argument that .81g/lb is the highest needed for bodybuilders.0 -
Most top level natural bodybuilders haven't even gained this much muscle over a lifetime. Either you took drugs or your full of it.I lost nearly 100 pounds eating a high card, low protein, low fat diet, and then added on over 30 pounds of muscle. Actually, I am close to 40 pounds of added muscle now.
I would ask you what your diet was like, and what kinds of exercise did you engage in.
And you know how much I work out how?0
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