How do you increase speed on running?

C_LO211
C_LO211 Posts: 71 Member
I just did my first half marathon over the weekend and it was slow......2hours and 27 mins I was wondering what I need to do for running to get that to 2 hours or under? Please help I am not a runner just starting out and need advise thank you

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  • fit_rox
    fit_rox Posts: 83
    Congrats on your first half! I'm not sure how you trained for your last one but, do speed intervals, hill work, and progressive runs. I was able to run my last half at 1:40 through incorporating these into my week.

    Ie:

    Sunday: Long run at conversational pace (end in 5x100 sprints with a 30 second break).
    Monday: Moderate paced run with 10 hills or inclines (all out on the way up, slow on the way down with a minute break inbetween)
    Tuesday: Easy run, with yoga or strength training after
    Wednesday: Circuit work or intervals
    Thursday: Easy run
    Friday: Progressive run (Start at a very easy conversational pace and build up gradually, endubg in a fast pace)
    Saturday: Off

    .... Etc. Even picking up your pace during your "easy" runs helps increase the overall speed of your legs.
  • C_LO211
    C_LO211 Posts: 71 Member
    Thank you I just followed a very simple 12 week program that only told me how many miles to run and on what days for example the first week was

    Monday off
    Tuesday 3 miles
    Wednesday off
    Thursday 3 miles
    Friday off
    Saturday 5 miles
    Sunday 2 miles

    the closer to the race the more the miles with exception to the last 2 weeks where it backed off the miles a bit.

    I will try what you suggested as I really want to be at 2 hours or less there is no way I could do it in the time that you did that is amazing
  • rjmudlax13
    rjmudlax13 Posts: 900 Member
    I use the Hal Higdon programs (Google it).

    It's really about just running more miles. The speed part will take care of itself. Once you get more advanced you can add speed work. If you are a newbie, I would just stick with regular running.
  • aswearingen22
    aswearingen22 Posts: 271 Member
    If you've only just started running, there's nothing more you need to do other than keep running. You'll have improvements the first year or so by just running more miles. And it's generally not recommended to introduce speed work until you've been running at least a year, as it takes that long to strengthen the muscles/joints/tendons/etc enough to handle the stress of speed work. At the most, I'd suggest adding some fartleks into a run or two a week, where you just pick-up the pace to the next tree, then slow it back down and do that several times during your run. Or you could do a fast finish on a few runs where you pick-up the pace the last half mile or mile. To go from 2:27 to sub 2 quickly is ambitious, what time frame are you thinking? My first half was 2:35, a year later I ran 2:19, a year later I ran 2:04. I'm not saying it'll be impossible to drop 28 mins, but it might take longer than say, by this fall or next spring. Just keep running. Perhaps next spring cycle, start with a plan that incorporates some speed work and tempo runs (check out Hal Higdon, Train Like a Mother, etc).
  • kmalacho
    kmalacho Posts: 16 Member
    I have found that strength training helped tremendously with my speed. I agree with previous posters that running more miles and speed intervals will definitely help. I do squats, dead lifts, and calf raises every third day to strengthen my leg muscles, and I lift "heavy" when I do it. Stronger legs will propel you faster, and lifting heavy is the best way to gain strength and muscle in your legs.
  • runner475
    runner475 Posts: 1,236 Member
    OP, you are 28 and that is one rock solid advantage for you.

    I'm using Hal Higdon training plan.

    Increasing your miles per week is the key.
    Good Luck.
  • thavoice
    thavoice Posts: 1,326 Member
    I just did my first half marathon over the weekend and it was slow......2hours and 27 mins I was wondering what I need to do for running to get that to 2 hours or under? Please help I am not a runner just starting out and need advise thank you
    When you are just starting out, such as yourself, speed simply comes from more running. It really does.

    I help with C25K programs and get that asked all the time. "How can I get faster?" When you start out the more you run, the better in shape you get and your leg and cario strength increases.

    It was your first race and you will most def learn from it. You will learn what it takes, how to pace yourself, and more miles on your legs will simply get you faster. What happens is the more you run, the easier it becomes, and the easier it becomes then the faster you can complete it.

    There are more specific ways to get faster when you start to get closer to what your body and ability can do but for starters just run more.
  • _Zardoz_
    _Zardoz_ Posts: 3,987 Member
    I just did my first half marathon over the weekend and it was slow......2hours and 27 mins I was wondering what I need to do for running to get that to 2 hours or under? Please help I am not a runner just starting out and need advise thank you
    When you are just starting out, such as yourself, speed simply comes from more running. It really does.

    I help with C25K programs and get that asked all the time. "How can I get faster?" When you start out the more you run, the better in shape you get and your leg and cario strength increases.

    It was your first race and you will most def learn from it. You will learn what it takes, how to pace yourself, and more miles on your legs will simply get you faster. What happens is the more you run, the easier it becomes, and the easier it becomes then the faster you can complete it.

    There are more specific ways to get faster when you start to get closer to what your body and ability can do but for starters just run more.
    This which is great advice just get the miles in.
  • brandiuntz
    brandiuntz Posts: 2,717 Member
    Agreeing with the others to just get more miles in. You'll naturally get faster. My first half was 2:40. I'd love to get to under 2:30, lol.
  • C_LO211
    C_LO211 Posts: 71 Member
    Thank you everybody for all the advise I will keep at it and just keep doing my miles and maybe in a few month can look at adding by doing some speed intervals like suggested ect. I already do cross training with at home DVD's but maybe I should start with some lifting ect. thanks again for sharing your info with me!
  • alathIN
    alathIN Posts: 142 Member
    Agree with building volume but take your time and add incrementally.

    One good pattern to follow goes in a three week cycle. On week one, you add 10% to your volume. On week two, you have a "recovery week" where you cut back - all low intensity, 20-30% less volume than week one. Week three is same volume as week one. Then repeat the cycle, your new week one is 10% than the last one.

    Another thing: it is not a bad idea to get some coaching early on to look at your form and correct any technique issues you have. Also they may suggest some focused exercises to strengthen areas where you are not as strong and/or improve flexibility/mobility in areas where you need that. Most everyone at any level of running has some "issues" they need to work on. You will improve faster and avoid injury by starting to work on these now.
  • sabified
    sabified Posts: 1,035 Member
    bump to save... I'm working on speed as well :)
  • RunnersLament
    RunnersLament Posts: 140 Member
    I'm in a bit of a rush but wanted to weigh in on this....

    Run More - Increasing your mileage will increase your endurance allowing yourself to function better later in a race.

    Run Hills - Hills build strength and unless you live in a perfectly flat environment... you gotta do your hills. Start at three hills of 1/4 mile each and add one rep per week. Make sure you do a warm up and cool down to help minimize the risk of injury.

    Run Intervals - Often said to get faster, you need to run faster. Intervals are short bursts of speed that allow rest periods in between. Intervals and Fartleks help build acceleration and overall pace.

    Cross Train - Adding strength and muscle better protects you from injury and will help you run stronger. Most types of crosstraining offer something for the runner... whether its cycling and leg turnover, rowing and core strength, etc... Cross training will just make you a stronger runner. Period.

    Lose weight - You gain approximately 2 seconds per mile for every pound you lose.. Even a modest 5 pounds will drop your pace by 10 seconds per mile... in a Half Marathon, that's a little over 2 minutes faster.

    Anyways... Gotta Go! Will check in later.
  • sabified
    sabified Posts: 1,035 Member
    I'm in a bit of a rush but wanted to weigh in on this....

    Run More - Increasing your mileage will increase your endurance allowing yourself to function better later in a race.

    Run Hills - Hills build strength and unless you live in a perfectly flat environment... you gotta do your hills. Start at three hills of 1/4 mile each and add one rep per week. Make sure you do a warm up and cool down to help minimize the risk of injury.

    Run Intervals - Often said to get faster, you need to run faster. Intervals are short bursts of speed that allow rest periods in between. Intervals and Fartleks help build acceleration and overall pace.

    Cross Train - Adding strength and muscle better protects you from injury and will help you run stronger. Most types of crosstraining offer something for the runner... whether its cycling and leg turnover, rowing and core strength, etc... Cross training will just make you a stronger runner. Period.

    Lose weight - You gain approximately 2 seconds per mile for every pound you lose.. Even a modest 5 pounds will drop your pace by 10 seconds per mile... in a Half Marathon, that's a little over 2 minutes faster.

    Anyways... Gotta Go! Will check in later.

    Re: Running hills... is using an incline on the treadmill similar enough? I've tried it, but always feel like it isn't the same as when I've actually been outside and running up a hill... but unfortunately outdoor running isn't much of an option for me right now :(
  • jimbmc
    jimbmc Posts: 83 Member
    To increase you speed per mile, one of the better methods is to tackle each mile in turn.

    SO start by focusing on Mile 1. Get that to where you can complete it comfortably in say 8 mins. Then focus on the next mile, and try to do the same. And so on. Ideally you want to keep you Mile average to somewhere around your first mile time.

    If your starting out, then DONT go for a fast time to begin with. Running at 6mph will give you an average of 1 mile in 10 mins. Start at that. If you can do 3 miles in 30 mins, then thats good and steady, and consistent. Then go for 4 miles in 40 mins and so on.

    Once you have the mileage under your belt, 10-12 mile runs, at a consistent pace, then start to whittle away at each individual mile timing. Try starting by reducing each mile by 15 secs, then 30 secs etc etc until you reach your most comfortable and effective time. Then just keep doing it. Practice, Practice, Practice.

    Use other High Intensity Interval Training(HIIT) for Cardio, and Strength on your non-running days to improve your fitness and stamina.

    E.G. - Rowing, Spin-Cycling, Squats, HIIT Aerobics, Swimming.
  • C_LO211
    C_LO211 Posts: 71 Member
    Would you say lifting is a good cross training? What is the best type of cross training?

    I can stand to lose about 10 lbs more but anything over that and I think I wouldn't be able to maintain. With that being said what kind of diet should I stick to to be able to keep increasing my distance but also lose weight?
  • SonicDeathMonkey80
    SonicDeathMonkey80 Posts: 4,489 Member
    Miles and time.

    My first HM was a 2:28. Fast forward 3 years later (1.5 as a couch potato, and the next 1.5 of them running 1500+mi) I brought it down to 1:36. My key to success was easy miles on top of easy miles, and long runs that exceeded the HM distance. You're going to get all kinds of advice on doing speedwork, but face it, you're a 2:30 HM, and that's about an 11min/mi. You're not ready for speedwork just yet. As for the other crosstraining type stuff, it will neither help nor hinder speed. Working other parts of your body is great for overall fitness and injury prevention/recovery, but specificity of training is key to running (and swimming, cycling, etc).

    I'd encourage you to post in the Long Distance Runners forum as well for more specifics.
  • schmenge55
    schmenge55 Posts: 745 Member
    As others have said. Miles. More miles. You get faster by running a lot. You have to build up slowly, rule of thumb is not more than a 10% increase per week. 80%+ of these miles should be slow. People say "How can I get fast running slow?" That slow running is going to build up your physiology to allow you to run faster
  • RunnersLament
    RunnersLament Posts: 140 Member
    I'm in a bit of a rush but wanted to weigh in on this....

    Run More - Increasing your mileage will increase your endurance allowing yourself to function better later in a race.

    Run Hills - Hills build strength and unless you live in a perfectly flat environment... you gotta do your hills. Start at three hills of 1/4 mile each and add one rep per week. Make sure you do a warm up and cool down to help minimize the risk of injury.

    Run Intervals - Often said to get faster, you need to run faster. Intervals are short bursts of speed that allow rest periods in between. Intervals and Fartleks help build acceleration and overall pace.

    Cross Train - Adding strength and muscle better protects you from injury and will help you run stronger. Most types of crosstraining offer something for the runner... whether its cycling and leg turnover, rowing and core strength, etc... Cross training will just make you a stronger runner. Period.

    Lose weight - You gain approximately 2 seconds per mile for every pound you lose.. Even a modest 5 pounds will drop your pace by 10 seconds per mile... in a Half Marathon, that's a little over 2 minutes faster.

    Anyways... Gotta Go! Will check in later.

    Re: Running hills... is using an incline on the treadmill similar enough? I've tried it, but always feel like it isn't the same as when I've actually been outside and running up a hill... but unfortunately outdoor running isn't much of an option for me right now :(

    Yes, but you have to have the incline right. Depending on the treadmill, you may want to do a Hills interval to allow for some recovery.

    Treadmills and running outside are generally two different beasts. With a treadmill you have a belt driving your pace. Outside you are responsible for setting your pace and your pace tends to be variable. Running outside also tends (for me anyways) to better engage the glutes and encourages better toe off.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    I just did my first half marathon over the weekend and it was slow......2hours and 27 mins I was wondering what I need to do for running to get that to 2 hours or under? Please help I am not a runner just starting out and need advise thank you

    You've got some predominantly good avice, and some bad advice, upthread so not a huge amount to add other than to weigh in on more miles

    For the majority of training plans there are three types of quality run; Long Slow, Tempo and Interval. From your subsequent point it sounds as if you haven't been running for much longer than the time you've taken to train for the HM, so while you've made very good progress to get there, you've missed the opportunity to build speed alongside capacity.

    The three different types of session give you different physiological effects, but the majority of training is built around the Long Slow as the real basis for improvement. Speedwork is fun, but as Sonic mentions you're not really going to get a huge amount from it yet. It is good for motivation and variety though.

    My own experience has been that my 5Km time improved significantly when I started training for 10Km, my 10Km time is improving rapidly now that I'm training to improve my HM time.
  • RunnersLament
    RunnersLament Posts: 140 Member
    Would you say lifting is a good cross training? What is the best type of cross training?

    I can stand to lose about 10 lbs more but anything over that and I think I wouldn't be able to maintain. With that being said what kind of diet should I stick to to be able to keep increasing my distance but also lose weight?

    Yes. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And the stronger you are, the better your running will be.

    I won't comment on your diet other than to say that as athletes we should eat a proper variety of complete foods. Avoid junk foods and aim for quality. Input equals Output. Feed the machine garbage and your performance will generally suffer.

    Also don't sacrifice much needed calories to simply lose weight. A great workout will inflict little "micro tears" in the muscles. When in training, your body actually needs a good supply of protein and carbs to repair itself.
  • goalss4nika
    goalss4nika Posts: 529 Member
    I just starting to run. It is by far the hardest challenge I've incountered throughout this journey. I just push myself a little more everyday while running. I am using the Nike app to compare my runs, etc. It helps
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    Would you say lifting is a good cross training?

    Some form of resistance training is good for runners, as the action of running doesn't in its own right develop a whole body development, so can lead to some injury risks. Improving strength also improves running performance and efficiency.

    That said, it needn't be lifting per se, bodyweight work is reasonable for running performance.

    Equally rowing, cycling and swimming are all very complementary to running.
  • C_LO211
    C_LO211 Posts: 71 Member
    Thank you everybody who commented it is helpful to me to hear what I need to be doing as I really didn't know. More miles it is LOL
  • thavoice
    thavoice Posts: 1,326 Member
    I'm in a bit of a rush but wanted to weigh in on this....

    Run More - Increasing your mileage will increase your endurance allowing yourself to function better later in a race.

    Run Hills - Hills build strength and unless you live in a perfectly flat environment... you gotta do your hills. Start at three hills of 1/4 mile each and add one rep per week. Make sure you do a warm up and cool down to help minimize the risk of injury.

    Run Intervals - Often said to get faster, you need to run faster. Intervals are short bursts of speed that allow rest periods in between. Intervals and Fartleks help build acceleration and overall pace.

    Cross Train - Adding strength and muscle better protects you from injury and will help you run stronger. Most types of crosstraining offer something for the runner... whether its cycling and leg turnover, rowing and core strength, etc... Cross training will just make you a stronger runner. Period.

    Lose weight - You gain approximately 2 seconds per mile for every pound you lose.. Even a modest 5 pounds will drop your pace by 10 seconds per mile... in a Half Marathon, that's a little over 2 minutes faster.

    Anyways... Gotta Go! Will check in later.

    Re: Running hills... is using an incline on the treadmill similar enough? I've tried it, but always feel like it isn't the same as when I've actually been outside and running up a hill... but unfortunately outdoor running isn't much of an option for me right now :(

    Yes, but you have to have the incline right. Depending on the treadmill, you may want to do a Hills interval to allow for some recovery.

    Treadmills and running outside are generally two different beasts. With a treadmill you have a belt driving your pace. Outside you are responsible for setting your pace and your pace tends to be variable. Running outside also tends (for me anyways) to better engage the glutes and encourages better toe off.

    If one runs on the good ole hamster wheel it is recommended to put it at least a 1 incline to give you more resistance. When you run outside you have to land and push off on your next step...whereas on the TM the belt propels your legs. I would go on 1 and then go from there.
  • thavoice
    thavoice Posts: 1,326 Member
    Thank you everybody who commented it is helpful to me to hear what I need to be doing as I really didn't know. More miles it is LOL
    Yeah, more miles is very important and as someone else stated...their times got better whenever they started training for a longer race!
    You basically just get so used to running the distance it becomes easier, and then faster!
  • sabified
    sabified Posts: 1,035 Member
    I'm in a bit of a rush but wanted to weigh in on this....

    Run More - Increasing your mileage will increase your endurance allowing yourself to function better later in a race.

    Run Hills - Hills build strength and unless you live in a perfectly flat environment... you gotta do your hills. Start at three hills of 1/4 mile each and add one rep per week. Make sure you do a warm up and cool down to help minimize the risk of injury.

    Run Intervals - Often said to get faster, you need to run faster. Intervals are short bursts of speed that allow rest periods in between. Intervals and Fartleks help build acceleration and overall pace.

    Cross Train - Adding strength and muscle better protects you from injury and will help you run stronger. Most types of crosstraining offer something for the runner... whether its cycling and leg turnover, rowing and core strength, etc... Cross training will just make you a stronger runner. Period.

    Lose weight - You gain approximately 2 seconds per mile for every pound you lose.. Even a modest 5 pounds will drop your pace by 10 seconds per mile... in a Half Marathon, that's a little over 2 minutes faster.

    Anyways... Gotta Go! Will check in later.

    Re: Running hills... is using an incline on the treadmill similar enough? I've tried it, but always feel like it isn't the same as when I've actually been outside and running up a hill... but unfortunately outdoor running isn't much of an option for me right now :(

    Yes, but you have to have the incline right. Depending on the treadmill, you may want to do a Hills interval to allow for some recovery.

    Treadmills and running outside are generally two different beasts. With a treadmill you have a belt driving your pace. Outside you are responsible for setting your pace and your pace tends to be variable. Running outside also tends (for me anyways) to better engage the glutes and encourages better toe off.

    If one runs on the good ole hamster wheel it is recommended to put it at least a 1 incline to give you more resistance. When you run outside you have to land and push off on your next step...whereas on the TM the belt propels your legs. I would go on 1 and then go from there.

    Good to know, thanks guys :) Great question, OP, awesome info in here!!