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What are our REAL daily needs?

MaiLinna
Posts: 580 Member
I just read some comments on the new MFP blog:
"It's sad that so many people still believe the corporate sponsored USDA lies concerning nutrition. Please do some research that isn't skewed by opinion, monetary gain or 'common sense.' The world really isn't flat and never has been."
"i'm not sure what you're talking about, but if your point is that 3 ounces of red meat DOESN"T EVEN COME CLOSE to half of the amount of protein a person should consume in a day, I'm on board."
"You mean their abysmally low protein recommendations? Or their continuing irrational fear of dietary fat?"
Lies concerning nutrition? Low protein recommendations? Skewed research? I've read so many different things in the past year, like raw diets, 80/20/20, 90/10/10, fruititarians, and all sorts of bull, but I can't figure out what I'm supposed to have for MY flabby muffin top! What do I need? I've read that calorie restrictions are baloney, wheat gives you cancer, and all sorts of crap that I can't tell which is real information and which isn't!
I want to be healthy. I want to meet most of my daily requirements. I want a lifestyle, not a diet. But what do I NEED?
"It's sad that so many people still believe the corporate sponsored USDA lies concerning nutrition. Please do some research that isn't skewed by opinion, monetary gain or 'common sense.' The world really isn't flat and never has been."
"i'm not sure what you're talking about, but if your point is that 3 ounces of red meat DOESN"T EVEN COME CLOSE to half of the amount of protein a person should consume in a day, I'm on board."
"You mean their abysmally low protein recommendations? Or their continuing irrational fear of dietary fat?"
Lies concerning nutrition? Low protein recommendations? Skewed research? I've read so many different things in the past year, like raw diets, 80/20/20, 90/10/10, fruititarians, and all sorts of bull, but I can't figure out what I'm supposed to have for MY flabby muffin top! What do I need? I've read that calorie restrictions are baloney, wheat gives you cancer, and all sorts of crap that I can't tell which is real information and which isn't!
I want to be healthy. I want to meet most of my daily requirements. I want a lifestyle, not a diet. But what do I NEED?
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Good link to read to get you started.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
Honestly, you are asking a lot of questions and thus hard to refine down to a few sentences. The link provided will get you started on probably most everything you asked about.0 -
I've read that already.0
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I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all list of daily requirements. It will change depending on size, age, activity level, hormone levels, gender, personal preferences, cultural eating habits etc etc.
But, there are some basics:
Macronutrients:
Your body needs enough protein. It is constantly breaking down the existing protein in your body and re-making it. To fuel this, you need to eat a certain minimum amount - on the order of about 45 g per day. If you are highly active, especially if you are doing weight training, you'll need more. If you are on a calorie deficit, you'll need more. The usual recommendation is around 1 g od protein per lb of lean body mass (LBM). It is hard to eat too much protein, unless you have an existing condition like kidney stones. Protein keeps you fuller longer, and can be broken down to glucose to fuel your other cellular needs.
You need fat. Current recommendations are to avoid partially hydrogenated trans-fats, but other than that most any fat is OK. Many vitamins are fat soluble and you won't get enough from your food if you go too low fat. Eating fat does not, as used to be thought, make you fat. Eating too much of any food makes you fat! A good amount of fat to shoot for seems to be about 0.4 g/lb LBM.
Carbohydrates are, strictly speaking, optional. Although they are a preferred source of energy for the body, we can make them from protein or use ketones from fat breakdown. That said, most people (baring medical conditions like insulin resistance or diabetes) can eat carbs with no ill effect. Low carb diets can work for some people, but usually because by restricting carbs they are actually restricting the overall calories they take in. Simple carbs, like sugar, are digested fast and give quick energy. Complex carbs take longer to break down. Fiber is also a carb, but isn't digested by the body: it helps keep you regular though! Eat fiber! [I notice from your profile your fiance is diabetic - he should limit his carbs to help regulate his blood sugar.]
Micronutrients:
Your body needs these, but exactly how much is open to some debate. The USDA Daily Amounts are probably a good goal to shoot for as a minimum. You can get these from multivitamins if you like, or from eating a diverse diet including especially fresh fruit and veggies.
Calories:
These are what count for weight loss. Eat at a reasonable deficit. Don't go very low calorie, as (a) you'll be hungry (b) you'll have trouble reaching micronutrient goals (c) you'll start losing muscle as your body tries to sustain itself. Try a range for a few weeks and, if you lose too fast or not fast enough, adjust. To lose the muffin top, you have to be in a calorie deficit, period. How you get there is not nearly as important. Raw vegan, fruitarian, 80/10/10, paleo, Atkins, ketogenic, eating clean etc etc are (I would say) fad diets that can help create a calorie deficit. Eat that way if it helps you meet your calorie goals, but realize that there is no magic bullet.
Humans have evolved to eat food, period. We are omnivores and, looking at various extant and extinct cultures around the world, can subsist (at least) on virtually anything. For optimum health, my philosophy is to eat a variety of foods I like eating. I eat my veggies, and I eat some ice cream.
I also think that, for most people, not being overly restrictive helps with compliance. If you are on the world's best diet but don't stick to it, you aren't going to get the results you desire. Do what works for you psychologically as well as physically.
Finally: exercise. Don't rely on it for weight loss, but do it for your overall health. Again - something you enjoy and will continue with is the best one for you. I lift weights because of the aesthetic changes it gives my body and I run because I like running.0 -
Oh, and by the way, you can comfortably ignore fear mongering, hyperbole and consipracy rants like this: "It's sad that so many people still believe the corporate sponsored USDA lies concerning nutrition. Please do some research that isn't skewed by opinion, monetary gain or 'common sense.' The world really isn't flat and never has been." which seems to be from https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2014/07/lean-ways-to-eat-beef/
A blog, by someone who works for a beef company, telling people to cut their burgers in half hardly seems like Big Beef forcing lies down our throats. Surely they should be telling us to make them twice as big, not smaller???0 -
I want to be healthy. I want to meet most of my daily requirements. I want a lifestyle, not a diet. But what do I NEED?
You need micronutrients, protein and fat. Carbs are not technically necessary, but since fruits and vegetables contain carbs, they are definitely ideal.
I tend not to listen to MFP posters re: nutrition. Even the few who know what they are talking about tend to spin all information towards their own personal goals. I look to researchers and experts (not self-proclaimed experts, but those recognized as experts by other nutrition scientists). This is my favorite site, because the advice is evidence based and sensible. No grandiose claims, just "here is what the data is telling us so far".
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/
And, as a side note, they are also often critical of the USDA.0 -
Every journey is personal, I do understand this, but everyone is on this fad diet and it drives me up the wall.I never know what to do anymore.
However, I did step away from MFP for a bit and started changing more things that I ate. I still eat obnoxious amounts of takeout and such (because this is seriously what my mother does, and I'm her live in caretaker) but I make healthier choices doing so. I eat organic beans and fruits, I drink organic half and half in my coffee, and more and more organic things are being thrown on my grocery list every day.
I can't meet any of these protein goals without destroying my calories and wallet. That's part of the reason I keep asking around. I don't care for meat as much as I used to, and I usually only eat it once a day, if that. Some days I'm completely vegetarian. It's not entirely by choice - it's my wallet that tells me what I can and cannot eat.
I need protein. Got it. Am I going to get it? Nope. Carbs? Sure. Healthy fats? Yes. Protein? Nope. Never gonna happen.0 -
According to your diary, you should be getting an average of 88g of protein a day. With several oz of chicken, fish, soy, etc... or if absolutely need be, protein powder supplementation...I don't see the issue. I eat a whole can of tuna in some of my salads and that's 30g right there. That would account for almost half of your daily goal and not saying that you have to eat tuna every day, but these choices are extemely economical and doable. Also, nothing wrong with implementing more organic food choices, but these food items come at a price premium. Taking this to an extreme scenario to show a point, what's more important to a starving individual, food quantity or food quality? Maybe there needs to be a shift in prioritizing some to help with protein intake.0
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Every journey is personal, I do understand this, but everyone is on this fad diet and it drives me up the wall.I never know what to do anymore.
However, I did step away from MFP for a bit and started changing more things that I ate. I still eat obnoxious amounts of takeout and such (because this is seriously what my mother does, and I'm her live in caretaker) but I make healthier choices doing so. I eat organic beans and fruits, I drink organic half and half in my coffee, and more and more organic things are being thrown on my grocery list every day.
I can't meet any of these protein goals without destroying my calories and wallet. That's part of the reason I keep asking around. I don't care for meat as much as I used to, and I usually only eat it once a day, if that. Some days I'm completely vegetarian. It's not entirely by choice - it's my wallet that tells me what I can and cannot eat.
I need protein. Got it. Am I going to get it? Nope. Carbs? Sure. Healthy fats? Yes. Protein? Nope. Never gonna happen.
OK.
First things first: don't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.
Losing weight is the number one thing most overweight people can do to improve their health (assuming they aren't smoking, doing drugs etc). Getting into a "healthy" BMI range is your number 1 priority. Even if you ate fast food every meal, the simple of fact is that eating less of it will make you healthier (less likely to get certain diseases, for example), if you lose weight. So eat less. And count calories, so you know what you are getting.
Adding in some activity - walking, running, zumba, weights, whatever - will help improve cardiovascular health even more. So move more.
Other than that, it really is personal preference. There is no evidence in the scientific literature that eating organic will make you healthier than eating non-organic (and non-organic are cheaper!). Sure eating veggies will help you meet your micronutrient goals better than not eating veggies, so try and add in some fresh veggies - but that could even mean just getting a salad at the drive through rather than a burger. Add a side of broccoli to your meals. My personal opinion is that if you start out slow - switch just one item for something "healthier" (say a side salad instead of fries) - will help. And its easier to manage. Don't feel you have to do everything all at once if you don't want to. Start small, and build up.
For protein, eat eggs, legumes, drink milk... there are lots of ways to increase protein without major changes in your diet. Even nuts (though also high in fat and calories) will up your protein. Powders are actually a very cheap way (per serving) of adding extra protein to your diet.
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I think richard has the most important piece of advice in this entire thread.
Don't overthink it. This isn't hard, but you can make it hard if you choose to.
Eat some protein, some fat, some carbs, and go on with life. There are different strategies, based on goals. You can lose weight just by looking strictly at calories, but you can also go in as deep as the bodycomp crew and specialize in macro and micro levels.
Personally, I've seen a lot of research that suggests 1g per kg of bodyweight for protein is good for people who are active in endurance or lifting sports. I do both, win. From there you can strategize with carbs and fat load as well, based on a base line of intake. That's based on goals. If I'm lifting more, my carb needs are minimal so I'll go for sub 100g daily. If I'm doing more endurance, I'll cut some fats and add in more carb. Based on how I feel.
Don't make it more complicated that you can support though. Some of us love minutia and analysis, some of us aren't made for it. Know your limits.0 -
I've read so many different things in the past year, like raw diets, 80/20/20, 90/10/10, fruititarians, and all sorts of bull
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I think we all can agree, fruitarians are all a little bananas.0
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Beans are high in protein, keep you full and are not expensive (not baked beans).0
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I feel you! It really does get confusing when you are bombarded with information about what is best for you from almost everyone on the net, whether they have the credentials or not. It has now come to the point where I simply don't give a damn anymore and basically I do what is most recommended on average by nutrition experts--I test out macro ratios that makes me feel the best and I try to eat completely whole foods with minimal processing but I don't refrain from foods that I do love. Fad diets or too restrictive diets is not a balanced lifestyle. Some people can make it work for them (go them!) but for the majority out there, that's not the case. We're all going to die someday whether we eat healthy, meet our daily nutrition needs or not. Of course, eating well will reduce the risks of diseases/pain over time but still, we're not gonna live forever so don't take it too seriously, worry over what is considered best or make it too complicated. In the end, eat less, eat mostly "healthy" (fresh foods high in vitamins/minerals), and move more are most important imo!!0
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