Is being fat a disability??
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Student Loan Debt is not included in any bankruptcy proceedings. It is exempt.
Source: I was a legal secretary for a bankruptcy lawyer.
That is overstating it0 -
I think people are confused as to what "obese" even means, anyway.
Obese simply means "having a BMI over 30".
I'm obese at 210 pounds and 5'10". I don't stop being obese until I hit just under 209 pounds.
Morbid obesity, super obesity - these are what people tend to think of when people just use the word "obese". And they are wrong.
Use the correct terminology.
That needs a new definition.0 -
THIS! Also, how can these people tell which is which from a fleeting interaction in public? Fat people don't wear signs that document how they became fat.
I'm glad to hear that you got the medical issue somewhat sorted, and congrats on your progress!
I think I'm going to get a t-shirt:
- Got fat after pregnancy.
- Already lost 45 pounds on a diet that includes copious amounts of pizza.
- Yeah, it's a McDouble. Fits into my daily allowance.0 -
QFT.
I just *had* to stay at the fancy school, even though my parents started making more money, and I was getting less and less financial aid. *sigh*
So pay the minimum until you die. You get to take the interest off your taxes anyway.0 -
I'm with you, OP. I do not think it should be considered a disability. I get that there are actual medical conditions that can cause weight gain, and I do not condsider depression related over eating to be one of them, but I don't think being fat in itself should be a disability. :noway:
Do you have any education, experience, or a close family member with a mental illness? I'm curious why you feel this way.
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That needs a new definition.
I'd go with body fat %, but even though that's a more accurate way to predict actual health impact... it's harder to get an accurate measurement!
...and then I'd have to go into the breakdown by sex and age for males and females, and who wants to do all THAT?!0 -
I so want to read all replies later. please please please still be here, thread...
You missed out there been some pretty funny threads all this week.0 -
So pay the minimum until you die. You get to take the interest off your taxes anyway.
Some people would rather not leave this world with a ton of debt.
..............................but that's looking like what's going to happen anyway lolol0 -
You missed out there been some pretty funny threads all this week.
I gloss over funny. I come back for pertinent to my interests.0 -
So pay the minimum until you die. You get to take the interest off your taxes anyway.
Not if you make enough to actually pay back the student loans0 -
Well this has been fun. I've gone through a wide range of emotions reading this: shocked, offended, angry, and finally indifferent... None of those emotions effected anyone but me.
Hopefully everyone that took the time to read this thread at least learned something. If not, then what a waste of time.
I learned that I judge others. I'd be shocked to find anyone that doesn't to some degree.
I learned that I judge myself. I've been laid off and didn't claim unemployment. I have my own share of disabilities for which I should use a handicapped parking permit or a scooter, but I don't. I do this because of my fear of being judged by others.
I learned that I hide my weaknesses with lies or humor to try to appear stronger to myself or others. Jokes like, "MS is my immune system making Swiss cheese of my brain". Ok that doesn't sound remotely funny taken out of context. You had to be there.
I learned that people without direct experience with mental illness are completely ignorant of what it's actually like.
I learned that I want a hover chair that actually hovers.
in the end, people speaking from a place of empathy and knowledge might actually get someone to re-think their position. I laughed at the OP being called a douche, but that is going to have zero impact on changing her perspective.
it was pretty clear at that point that nothing else was either.0 -
I'd go with body fat %, but even though that's a more accurate way to predict actual health impact... it's harder to get an accurate measurement!
...and then I'd have to go into the breakdown by sex and age for males and females, and who wants to do all THAT?!
Someone should instead of using BMI. Body mass index needs to die like the food pyramid did.
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I know this thread is about FMLA, but this is how I feel about obesity being a "disability."
Being obese is not a disability, however it it possible to become disabled if you are so obese that it impedes your ability to walk. Yes, "they did it to themselves" but it doesn't make it less difficult for them to walk to and from their car into buildings, or walk around a store.
I have to admit, I do get really annoyed when I see fat people in scooters, because they are just perpetuating their own problems, but no one can force them to change. It's especially difficult when stores cater to their needs by providing the scooters. It's a chicken vs egg argument. Fat>Disabled>Scooter or Fat>Scooter>Fatter>"disabled"
The scooters will always be there, people are getting lazier and lazier, people are getting fatter and fatter (statistically), people are getting so fat that they are disabling themselves, so IMO they should qualify for FMLA if they need it.0 -
Not if you make enough to actually pay back the student loans
There was an original joke about finding a way to not pay them back.0 -
When someone has a baby, they take FMLA leave. Getting pregnant is (for most people) a conscious decision someone has made. They aren't denied FMLA because they "did it to themselves". So, even if you want to argue that a person is obese because they "did it to themselves", that is no reason to specifically deny them FMLA for now being obese.
Further FMLA is paid from benefits already accrued by the individual - their vacation and sick time. It isn't as if the company are forced to pay the person a salary and have them accrue further benefits for the time they are off. So the only cost to the company is finding someone to do the job while the person is on FMLA, and having a job for them when they get back.
Finally, allowing someone who is obese (and has no other medical conditions) to take a leave so they can address their obesity (going to a "fat farm" perhaps? I can't quite picture what else they would need FMLA for in the absence of other necessary medical procedures) will possibly prevent them from getting complications of the obesity further down the road. That will save the company (and the health insurance) money in the long run.
And finally (again)... isn't it the compassionate thing to do? If someone comes to me and says they need to use FMLA, isn't the right thing to do to try and get it for them and not try to second guess their medical or other conditions? Or does the Hobby Lobby decision mean that company busy bodies get to decide appropriate (non)treatments for everyone now?
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Bankruptcy.
Nope Bankruptcy is not going to work. One still has to pay student loan. There is NO FORGIVENESS whatsoever when it comes to student loans.0 -
It really grinds my gears when I see people who have no effect on my life riding around on scooters.0
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This is one of the worst threads I have ever read, especially on a support group page! Most of you are just plain ignorant and mean, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Being fat is a lot more complicated that being LAZY! Sheesh...this is what humankind is coming to? I'm appalled!!!0 -
Nope Bankruptcy is not going to work. One still has to pay student loan. There is NO FORGIVENESS whatsoever when it comes to student loans.
That's not true. I work for the state. There IS a loan forgiveness program. If you work with the state for a certain amount of years and pay on them for a certain amount of time, they'll wipe them for you.
There are ways around them. But it's not easy. There are a lot of hoops one has to jump through, but it can be done.0 -
I gloss over funny. I come back for pertinent to my interests.
You're doing it wrong. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
There was an original joke about finding a way to not pay them back.
I believe that the original point was one of gaming the system.0 -
This is one of the worst threads I have ever read, especially on a support group page! Most of you are just plain ignorant and mean, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Being fat is a lot more complicated that being LAZY! Sheesh...this is what humankind is coming to? I'm appalled!!!
You are angry but to me this is entertaining like how ridiculous will people be today.0 -
Not if you make enough to actually pay back the student loans
Best part of this is that my private loans do not take into account that I'm also paying on government loans, and vice versa. So in their eyes, I make enough money to cover their "minimum payment". Because obviously I don't have to pay for anything else.
I mean, I'd be vastly wealthy if I didn't have to eat food or want to live indoors with plumbing.0 -
That's not true. I work for the state. There IS a loan forgiveness program. If you work with the state for a certain amount of years and pay on them for a certain amount of time, they'll wipe them for you.
There are ways around them. But it's not easy. There are a lot of hoops one has to jump through, but it can be done.
PSELF is for any government agency and not just state. Also, it was established with consideration of the salary gap between public sector and private sector job. With the state, I make 24k. In the private sector, I would be making around 40k.0 -
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I gloss over funny. I come back for pertinent to my interests.
Really?????:0 -
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Cool, the feeding frenzy and thread drift is going to roll this thread.0
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I believe that the original point was one of gaming the system.
Yes and then I chimed in and asked if there was a way a person could get around paying them back.
Then someone commented in filing bankruptcy.
Someone else said no, they are not exempt from bankruptcy.
You said that is overstated.
Then that person again said "pay the minimum until you die"
Then you said: Not unless you make enough to pay them back.
It was one big circle.0 -
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