GIANT problem with food database
Beastlymm
Posts: 1 Member
My wife and I have been using the app as part of our new fitness plan and after 2 1/2 weeks we've been totally discouraged. The culprit? The app itself.
There are huge inaccuracies in the food data in the app. Just like Wiki, anyone can put in any information and it's instantly in everyone else's database.
If I put in that a Big Mac was 10 calories, anyone could unknowingly select it and snoot their diet plan in the foot.
We thought MFP vetted their information, but they don't.
We also thought we could work around this by scanning the product barcode and save that into 'My Foods', but we can't do that either.
I did a scan of Monster Ultra Red energy drink and there's one entry showing zero carbs and another showing, accurately, 1 carb which is equal to 4 calories by the way. So anyone believing they're keeping a close eye on their calories can forget it. You could be looking at a variance of several hundred calories over the course of a days entries and not even know it.
On the website MFP puts an * to show user supplied food data but no such marking is on the mobile app.
Knowing the CORRECT nutrition information is at the center of what we're all working from. It's our compass to guide us. Well, our compass is constructed of a lot of wrong information and unless you take the extra time to double check everything you're entering against the manufacturers web site you will be way off course.
Having the largest food database doesn't mean much when you can't trust the data to be correct. It's like using a street map that has made up streets. You don't know you're going the wrong way until it's too late. MFP need to clean up the data otherwise it's just a pretty app with no value.
There are huge inaccuracies in the food data in the app. Just like Wiki, anyone can put in any information and it's instantly in everyone else's database.
If I put in that a Big Mac was 10 calories, anyone could unknowingly select it and snoot their diet plan in the foot.
We thought MFP vetted their information, but they don't.
We also thought we could work around this by scanning the product barcode and save that into 'My Foods', but we can't do that either.
I did a scan of Monster Ultra Red energy drink and there's one entry showing zero carbs and another showing, accurately, 1 carb which is equal to 4 calories by the way. So anyone believing they're keeping a close eye on their calories can forget it. You could be looking at a variance of several hundred calories over the course of a days entries and not even know it.
On the website MFP puts an * to show user supplied food data but no such marking is on the mobile app.
Knowing the CORRECT nutrition information is at the center of what we're all working from. It's our compass to guide us. Well, our compass is constructed of a lot of wrong information and unless you take the extra time to double check everything you're entering against the manufacturers web site you will be way off course.
Having the largest food database doesn't mean much when you can't trust the data to be correct. It's like using a street map that has made up streets. You don't know you're going the wrong way until it's too late. MFP need to clean up the data otherwise it's just a pretty app with no value.
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I'm not sure if other apps have this down any better. I'm going to guess they don't - there are simply too many food products out there for a perfect solution, or for MFP to vet every entry. I would hat to think of the app or service fee they'd have to charge in order to validate all the data. Crowd sourcing IS a good solution, but it requires that everyone be a part of the solution.
I've often found there are multiple options for the food I'm trying to enter. I either cross reference with the packaging if I have it (and I've corrected some obvious mistakes in the entries this way), or I use a best guess and err on the side of caution. It IS a little harder using the mobile app, but you can always check the value entered in your log and then remove the offending entry and try again. Once you've added a food, I believe even the MFP app keeps a reference to it in the "recent food".
It's a little bit of work, I agree. But worth it. Don't despair, and certainly don't give up!!!!
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I disagree, I've used other apps and they don;t have the variety or flexibility. All you need to do is confirm what it's saying and you're good, if not add your own. Also if you look for items that have been confirmed by others you can weed ut ones that are inaccurate.0
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Glance at your nutrition labels... It's not that serious.0
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Then either do a little research beforehand to ensure that the entry you are using is correct or enter one yourself. Problem solved.0
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I've found it to be pretty accurate. But, of course, I cross-reference everything just in case
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I take the extra time and double check the info myself.0
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I've found it to be pretty accurate. But, of course, I cross-reference everything just in case.
This. I also try to correct those entries that are incorrect if I have the time...0 -
Then either do a little research beforehand to ensure that the entry you are using is correct or enter one yourself. Problem solved.
This. I understand the frustration, but it's up to you to research the info from other sources if you're not sure.
I always double check- if something seems too low or inaccurate, i either try to stay low the rest of my day, or I research elsewhere.0 -
Then either do a little research beforehand to ensure that the entry you are using is correct or enter one yourself. Problem solved.
That's what I do. Eventually I have built up my recent and frequent foods with entries I know are correct.
Is it ideal? No. But it's the best option I've seen around and it's free.
Also, keep in mind that some food nutritional information can vary from country to country for the same product.0 -
Make your own entries.
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Its meant to help. If you don't want its help then stop using it and look up every calorie every time - its FREE! I'm amazed by the number of people who make excuses for not losing weight - primarily people complaining about this app and blaming the app. No one is forcing you to use it. People have lost weight for decades without using it. I like it - i know my regular foods which appear in my short list and they are accurate as i checked those items. Seriously if you don't like it then go somewhere like weight watchers and pay $15 a week for a database that is even worse.0
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Make your own entries.
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That's right.
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Then either do a little research beforehand to ensure that the entry you are using is correct or enter one yourself. Problem solved.
That's what I do. Eventually I have built up my recent and frequent foods with entries I know are correct.
Is it ideal? No. But it's the best option I've seen around and it's free.
Also, keep in mind that some food nutritional information can vary from country to country for the same product.
This.
Also, sometimes if I'm eating a food that I have to guess the calorie content (like at a mom & pop diner), sometimes I will look at several entries for the same food and choose the one I feel most resembles what I ate.0 -
Its meant to help. If you don't want its help then stop using it and look up every calorie every time - its FREE! I'm amazed by the number of people who make excuses for not losing weight - primarily people complaining about this app and blaming the app. No one is forcing you to use it. People have lost weight for decades without using it. I like it - i know my regular foods which appear in my short list and they are accurate as i checked those items. Seriously if you don't like it then go somewhere like weight watchers and pay $15 a week for a database that is even worse.
lawl. I have to say, I do agree. It just takes a little extra time. If you're dedicated enough, you'll do it.0 -
OR you could take a little bit of your own time and either check to be sure the information is accurate/input it yourself.0
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Then either do a little research beforehand to ensure that the entry you are using is correct or enter one yourself. Problem solved.
That's what I do. Eventually I have built up my recent and frequent foods with entries I know are correct.
Is it ideal? No. But it's the best option I've seen around and it's free.
Also, keep in mind that some food nutritional information can vary from country to country for the same product.
This.
Also, sometimes if I'm eating a food that I have to guess the calorie content (like at a mom & pop diner), sometimes I will look at several entries for the same food and choose the one I feel most resembles what I ate.
I do the same thing. I compare the high and low end of the entries and what the calorie content of the majority of them are and make a best guess from there. Sometimes I pick the highest. Sometimes the average depending on the dish.0 -
Whoa...lighten up Cowboy. The only definite here is that no database available today is completely accurate. Moreover, net calorie monitoring and subsequent weight control is not an exact undertaking. Everyone will react differently to modifications in food intake and exercise. IF you are serious about your health, I suggest doing as others have suggested and expand your research. MFP is good but not perfect.
Overall, I suggest your underlying issue is more about effort than just calories. No App is going to change your life. Most people fail here because what is staring back at them from the mirror rather than #'s in a database.
Finally, please take my comments in a positive light. You've only been at this 2.5 weeks. Most folks with even a moderate level of success take much longer to settle into a routine/diet they trust. Do your research, have some discipline and give it time.0 -
I can't believe this free service doesn't work EXACTLY the way you want it to. The nerve!
I find it interesting that you can take the time to type out 7 paragraphs about the food database, but you don't have time to enter your own foods or at least go in and add the 1 carb to your Monster Energy drink.0 -
I can't believe this free service doesn't work EXACTLY the way you want it to. The nerve!
I find it interesting that you can take the time to type out 7 paragraphs about the food database, but you don't have time to enter your own foods or at least go in and add the 1 carb to your Monster Energy drink.
This! :drinker:0 -
I can't believe this free service doesn't work EXACTLY the way you want it to. The nerve!
I find it interesting that you can take the time to type out 7 paragraphs about the food database, but you don't have time to enter your own foods or at least go in and add the 1 carb to your Monster Energy drink.
This! :drinker:
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+!^I disagree, I've used other apps and they don;t have the variety or flexibility. All you need to do is confirm what it's saying and you're good, if not add your own. Also if you look for items that have been confirmed by others you can weed ut ones that are inaccurate.
At least MFP will help you vett the material by giving you the opportunity to check the nutritional information, many apps require you to add it before you can see what the numbers are. You can also "vote down" the inaccurate information. Working with data all day, GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) reigns supreme. Yes, it would be nice if there was only one entry for each item, but that is not realistic. I just recently looked at a food item, which had a full container listed as 310 g., about 2 servings. The manf. has shorted the packaging to 250 g, but left it as about 2 servings. It is not the fault of MFP that they did not have the same listing, but the calories per cup are the same. It was not until I checked that I realized that manufacturer is now selling 80% as much for the same price. Should that entry be flagged- no, many people may still have the product on the shelf at the older weight. Relying on the new numbers may mean that they are eating an additional 100 calories with the older package.0 -
I have to disagree. I used the app a couple of years ago, and would have agreed with you at that point.
But now I have used the app for 100 straight days and had maybe 10 items that scanned incorrectly or needed updated information. The database is pretty spot-on, with a few exceptions.0 -
I wish I could "like" ksy1969's post. haha0
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"Is this information accurate?" NO
Edit - fix problem.
Now the food is saved in "my foods" forever, so you can quickly access it.
BOOM.0 -
"Is this information accurate?" NO
Edit - fix problem.
Now the food is saved in "my foods" forever, so you can quickly access it.
BOOM.
This doesn't work for the mobile app. Only on the computer.
So what I do is whenever I eat something for the first time, i use the computer. After that, I can use the app to quickly add entries from my past because I tend to eat the same meats veg and oils regularly.
Dear OP, it's called personal accountability. Have some. The app is a tool, not your own personal "do it for meeeeee" solution.0 -
little personal accountability and common sense goes a long way.
Over estimate your food- underestimate your workouts- keep your deficit.
If you think the burger really is 10 calories- or you can't find a better entry- do some research and make a better selection or enter your own.0 -
little personal accountability and common sense goes a long way.
Over estimate your food- underestimate your workouts- keep your deficit.
If you think the burger really is 10 calories- or you can't find a better entry- do some research and make a better selection or enter your own.
Yes, some logic goes far. The database is fine, users who understand how it functions make it work for them.0 -
It would be nice to have any easy way to report inaccurate listings. But IMHO it is not to difficult to spot the ones that are way off.0
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Bell - Red Peppers, 1 cup chopped (149 g) 46 9 0 2 3 1
Fresh - Veggie - Yellow Bell Pepper - Chopped, 1 cup 40 9 0 0 4 0
Peppers - Sweet, green, raw, 1 cup, chopped 30 7 0 1 3 1
So, if you are trying for a deficit, eat green. Trying for a bulk eat red. Green 30 calories, yellow 40 calories, and red 46 calories. Simple.0 -
I'll usually google the item I'm having and see what the actual calories are... if I can't find it on google (which is rare) i'll see what's in the MFP database and pick the one with the highest calories. For example, if I was at whataburger and looked in the database and saw a cheeseburger with 10 calories i would laugh, shake my head, and pick the option with the highest caloric content.0
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