The Biggest Loser show seems to contradict what were taught
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Sorry but you are wrong. Insurance companies don't pay for it just because. If you are developing complications due to the excess skin that that's different but not for vanity reasons.
In reference to the insurance company issue, it really depends on your insurance company and the plan your company chooses. Some insurance plans do cover all or partial elective surgeries, especially for issues that arise as a result of pregnancy -- so a tummy tuck may very well be on certain plans. Others won't at all.0 -
The general rec for women is usually 46-50g.
Their food is mostly protein. It's a myth that you need as much protein as usually advocated to retain muscle mass. 500-600 calories of protein would be enough. Don't forget that these are people who work out for hours every day, people who didn't work out before, so you can expect some newbie gains too
I think you are saying it wrong because 500/4= grams of protein.
You are right, I did mean 125-150 grams, but I chose to use calories to put it into perspective that it is entirely possible to get enough protein on a 800-1200 calorie diet.
Most women only need 40-60g unless you're an athlete. I lose about 2-3 pounds week sticking to 800-1200. I do light home strength training and walking. That's it.
What you do and claim is working for you would not work for many women here and in general. Please don't use the term 'most women' when you're just using yourself as your evidence.0 -
And how exactly would you know that? Are you assuming that because The Biggest Loser doesn't put out an update letting us know that certain people did have complications? I mean why, wouldn't they? All that would do is make them look better. Right? Oh wait, It Wouldnt.You are right, the contestants on the biggest loser are able to lose a lot of weight in a short amount of time without very many consequences it seems. So it would seem that there is nothing wrong with losing that much weight that fast and people here are just being killjoys with their continuous chanting of 'just exercise and eat at a deficit, don't starve yourself, and don't try to lose too fast.' That is how it seems.
Here is the truth, life is not a reality tv show. Those people on that show have their diets pretty rigidly planned out for them and they have celebrity trainers and weigh ins every week. They don't have to go to work and they don't have to go to school. Normal people don't get that. Real life is not like that. If we all lived in a biggest loser world, then I would see nothing wrong with the biggest loser approach to weight loss. But in the real world, that approach is pretty much destined to fail after a while, which is why people advise you not to go down that route. They don't want you to set yourself up for disappointment. That approach works on the show, but it is not sustainable in real life.
Sorry but you are wrong. Insurance companies don't pay for it just because. If you are developing complications due to the excess skin that that's different but not for vanity reasons.I have a friend that was a contestant on the show - and he ended up having skin removal surgery after the show was over - which he paid for himself, not by the network. So....they don't all end up without extra skin.
If you have a large amount of extra skin insurance companies pay for tummy tucks. Mine did
They regularly bring back finalists from previous seasons to act as inspiration for the current season's contestants. They also have updates about many of them on their website. Some of them are actually working as fitness instructors themselves on the Biggest Loser Ranch resorts around the country.0 -
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They told us in school that turtles can't speak. But then I see the previews for TMNT movie and it shows turtles really can talk!0
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Never mind, I skimmed your post before replying. So you're insisting that the show is actually a healthy way to lose weight?
Did you honestly miss the entire paragraph where I said:
"I want to be clear that I am NOT claiming the Biggest Loser way to be healthy, or the "right/ideal" way to lose weight."0 -
This guy again.
That guy again.0 -
1. Starvation mode doesn't happen until a person is literally starving, under 5% BF for men and something around 8% in women. So yeah, no starvation mode for Biggest Loser contestants.
2. Genetics and age.
3. They were obese with a large amount of muscle mass to begin with, worked out a ton, had specialized diets and they dropped a lot of fat. They have celebrity trainers for a reason.
4. You do not need proper nutrition to lose weight. You need a calorie deficit. You know this because you've asked this exact same question 10 times in the last month.
5. They are on a television show. It would not be popular and renewed if contestants didn't lose exciting amounts of weight. Health isn't the concern, ratings are.
Are you really basing proper weight loss and nutrition on a sensationalistic television show?
Good stuff. I appreciate you actually commenting on the points!0 -
This guy again.
My thoughts exactly.
You're pretty damn hot so I have nothing negative to see in response.0 -
No, the reality is much simpler. Nutrition is bullsh*t.
My 3 month old daughter needs only milk to thrive and have the energy to get through the day, and the contestants, and anyone else with that level of bodyfat...
Will use the stores of fatty acids on their body as food. So long as essential vitamins and minerals are ingested, along with essential amino acids, you don't need to eat.
There was a 400 pound man in the 70's who fasted for 380 days under doctor's supervision. Couple missteps in refeeding him, but he got to 180 or something like that, and to this day he's slightly overweight, not obese like he used to be.
What we NEED for nutrition is only what this magnificent machine requires.
Most of the starvation mode, eating to fuel, it's all hype.
Coma patients exist on protien powder with added carbs and fats, in a shake, fed through a feeding tube.
I mean, honestly, the fact that we all haven't woken up to this realization before now is astounding. At least, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm ashamed of myself for not following common sense.
ETA: eat for your body. Eat what you like. And if you start to gain fat, change your diet slightly, and find what works for you. If you want to lose weight for a boxing match or to look thinner, the principles are the same. You are what you eat.
Interesting thoughts.
Not sure I agree, but interesting none the less...0 -
I agree completely, I think we should adhere to the rules of the show instead, don't you?
On an unrelated note, I was watching this show called Game Of Thrones, and I saw dragons flying around. Doesn't this go against everything we've been led to believe? I am going to pray to the old gods and the new to send me some damn dragon eggs, that seems like the right thing to do in this case. I'll lose weight super fast, be ripped and I'll have some awesome dragons to boot.
I laughed.
But yeah, real people losing real weight albeit in an unhealthy way, is definitely comparable to dragons and gods and so forth.
You got me.0 -
It's incredibly clear that the majority of people who replied to this thread didn't actually read the entirety of the original post.
Never did I say that it was healthy, or smart, or the right thing to do. I simply pointed out results that happened that seem to contradict what we are told would NOT happen.
But hey, flame on
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I wish The Biggest Loser would have more on the preparation of their foods.0
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It's been on for 10 years with hundreds of contestants. No one's been hurt badly enough for the show to be taken off the air for hurting people or for people to quit clamoring to get on it.That's not the point. Bringing back success stories is a no brainer but how quick would they be to bring back people who experienced negative effects as a result?
I'm sure there have been a lot of negative effects, and a LOT of unmaintained losses, just like in any weight loss group. I think overall it's probably done way more good for human health.
Not that I watch it. They treat the people too much like circus freaks for me.0 -
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It's incredibly clear that the majority of people who replied to this thread didn't actually read the entirety of the original post.
Never did I say that it was healthy, or smart, or the right thing to do. I simply pointed out results that happened that seem to contradict what we are told would NOT happen.
But hey, flame on
To be fair, it's not even necessarily unhealthy. With exercise and adequate protein, you can push your weight loss pretty far when you're as big as those contestants, oftentimes with no real health consequences. You could even argue that hitting a healthy weight more quickly is better for your health, given the health consequences of morbid obesity. The reason you see people advocating less aggressive weight loss guidelines is largely because attempting to imitate those results on your own is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. Not that you couldn't do it, potentially even in a healthy fashion, given the right diet and exercise routine (it would be pretty miserable though), but the more likely case is that people would make themselves miserable and/or inadvertently damage their health.0 -
My son lost 55 lbs in 14 weeks eating 1200 calories and exercising like the world was coming to a rapid end (which it kind of was for him since he was so unhealthy). Once he finished the program he went on to lose another 65 lbs on his own and has kept them off. I think that a quick program like that can get someone started in the right path. But yeah, ultimately is a show... More like a very long commercial for stuff like Subway and Britta.0
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My mom is addicted to that show. Yet she actually doesn't follow any of the advice.0
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It's incredibly clear that the majority of people who replied to this thread didn't actually read the entirety of the original post.
Never did I say that it was healthy, or smart, or the right thing to do. I simply pointed out results that happened that seem to contradict what we are told would NOT happen.
But hey, flame on
You started out your post by saying the show contradicts what we were taught, and then used an all out myth in "starvation mode" as a fact we were taught.......who's flaming again?0 -
MFP does teach starvation mode. It's right in their software message. Or did they finally get rid of it?
The weight loss shows do disprove most of the stuff you read here about steep deficits and 'net calories'. It doesn't really matter that a 'week' is 10 days or that they live in a gym. They're live people losing all that weight in a short amount of time. If it's dangerous for us to 'net' less than 1200, how come all their gall bladders haven't dropped out with 'nets' each day in the negative thousands for months on end?0 -
The general rec for women is usually 46-50g.
Their food is mostly protein. It's a myth that you need as much protein as usually advocated to retain muscle mass. 500-600 calories of protein would be enough. Don't forget that these are people who work out for hours every day, people who didn't work out before, so you can expect some newbie gains too
I think you are saying it wrong because 500/4= grams of protein.
You are right, I did mean 125-150 grams, but I chose to use calories to put it into perspective that it is entirely possible to get enough protein on a 800-1200 calorie diet.
Most women only need 40-60g unless you're an athlete. I lose about 2-3 pounds week sticking to 800-1200. I do light home strength training and walking. That's it.
What you do and claim is working for you would not work for many women here and in general. Please don't use the term 'most women' when you're just using yourself as your evidence.
While I could argue that these numbers should be a bare minimum, not a goal, I will leave that for another thread. The contestants, including women, are anything but general. They are a specific group who participates in heavy physical activities 3-6 hours a day, not your average office worker.0 -
Nope. Saw the "warning" three days ago.MFP does teach starvation mode. It's right in their software message. Or did they finally get rid of it?0 -
The human body is far more efficient and resilient than the average dieter seems to realize.
How many Jews actually managed to survive during the Holocaust on water and porridge mixed with sawdust? There was an obese man medically fasted, i.e. no food, for around a year. Hundreds of millions of human beings around the world undereat, and many of them have done so for years and years.
Our current dieting mentality is based off a lot of bullocks and alarmist fears. You have people thinking that missing a day of food is the end of the road, and that under eating for a couple weeks is going to permanently kill their metabolism.0 -
Just a casual reminder that general protein recommendations are for your average sedentary person of average weight, not looking to lose or gain weight.
And that need =/= optimal.0 -
Okay okay I decided to find a free stream of two episodes of the Biggest Loser and watched them back to back. I must say that is one of the most obviously staged completely fake "reality" TV shows I have ever seen. How anyone can look at that and say "seems legit" especially after the personal trainers look directly at the camera and hold up some "Extra sugar free doublemint gum" to take the time to explain how Extra sugar-free gum (specifically the Extra brand) is a great way to lose weight (complete with smile and nod and holding up of the product) I do not know.
It is editing smoke and mirrors mixed in with fake drama and product placement....
but damn if it isn't entertaining. Might have to watch more of that.0 -
I live every aspect of my life as if it were reality television.
I live mine like a japanese game show.
In - to see where this goes.0 -
I may have posted this earlier in this thread, I can't remember. The final edited product does *seem* to contradict what we were taught, but the reality is - it doesn't contradict anything. The final product is a fantasy.
http://www.cracked.com/article_21137_5-details-they-cut-from-my-season-the-biggest-loser_p2.html0 -
Never heard of it until i saw it on Netflix 2-3 years ago. Binge season 1 to 11 in a matter of weeks..All this while laying down going to town with potato chips.0
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Never heard of it until i saw it on Netflix 2-3 years ago. Binge season 1 to 11 in a matter of weeks..All this while laying down going to town with potato chips.
watched a marathon while eating mcnuggets and icecream.0
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