No carb/no sugar diet
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How can one be a "no carb" vegetarian? Vegetables are complex carbs.0
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Ok, and in answer to your specific question you may want to look into the Harcombe Diet - she has a specific section in her book on diet modifications to deal with Candida.
I think it is mostly quackery myself having looked into the diet but you may feel differently.0 -
Doc wouldn't happen to be a holistic doc?
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Leaky gut syndrome and candida overgrowth are both staple diagnoses of alternative medicine.
I'd want a different doctor asap.0 -
Based on the title of the thread, it doesn't sound like you get to eat for a while since you don't eat meat.0
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When the results came back she found I was positive for candida overgrowth in my gut as well as what she believed to be "leaky gut syndrome". In order to get rid of the yeast overgrowth she wants me to take oil of oregano, a probiotic which I can't remember the name of right now and to eliminat carbs and sugars for 1 to 3 months or until the yeast overgrowth is gone."Leaky gut syndrome" isn't a diagnosis taught in medical school. Instead, "leaky gut really means you’ve got a diagnosis that still needs to be made,” Kirby says. “You hope that your doctor is a good-enough Sherlock Holmes, but sometimes it is very hard to make a diagnosis.”
“We don’t know a lot but we know that it exists,” says Linda A. Lee, MD, a gastroenterologist and director of the Johns Hopkins Integrative Medicine and Digestive Center. “In the absence of evidence, we don’t know what it means or what therapies can directly address it.”
idk, my read is that the doctor is deleting sugar to treat the yeast overgrowth and not necessairly the phantom 'leaky gut syndrome'.
im not a doc either of course, and i've never heard of a yeast over growth in the gut, but if thats whats going on then reducing sugar makes sense to a lay person.
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What is a candida cleanse diet and what does it do?
Answers from Brent A. Bauer, M.D.
Some complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) practitioners blame common symptoms such as fatigue, headache and poor memory on intestinal overgrowth of the fungus-like organism Candida albicans, or yeast syndrome. To cure the syndrome, they recommend a candida cleanse diet, which includes no sugar, white flour, yeast and cheese, on the theory that these foods promote candida overgrowth.
Unfortunately, there isn't much evidence to support the diagnosis of yeast syndrome. Consequently many conventional practitioners doubt its validity. And there are no clinical trials that document the efficacy of a candida cleanse diet for treating any recognized medical condition.
Not surprisingly, many people note improvement in various symptoms when following this diet. If you stop eating sugar and white flour, you'll generally wind up cutting out most processed foods, which tend to be high in calorie content and low in nutritive value. Within a few weeks of replacing processed foods with fresh ones and white flour with whole grains, you may start to feel better in general. That, rather than stopping the growth of yeast in the gastrointestinal tract, is the main benefit of a candida cleanse diet.
Taken from: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/candida-cleanse/faq-20058174
The only reputable source I could find about candida overgrowth0 -
It sounds like you went to a holistic doctor, and just so you know, you will not get much love for anything "alternative" on the MFP forums. From my month or so of reading, it seems any theory that is relatively new or hasn't been verified by years of well-funded research is deemed pseudo-science and laughed at. So if you are into the "alternative" view of healthcare, you probably don't want to post about it here!
Having said that, I have learned a ton about food and exercise here, so it is definitely worth checking in regularly. Just don't expect to have a rousing discussion on the latest theories in alternative medicine
Good luck, I hope you find some relief!0 -
I came here for support and help with ideas to eat and I'm honest offended and sad by most of you no taking me seriously.
I don't think it's a case of anyone not taking you seriously, it's just that we see people with legitimate health care issues being taken advantage of by alternative practitioners who have no motivation other than lining their pockets and the diagnosis that your doctor offered you are ones frequently given by quacks.0 -
I have to ask.....was this a real doctor you saw?
The leaky gut syndrome & candida overgrowth rang alarm bells......
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/
I have to ask as well: what qualifications does your doctor have?
What qualifications? As in did she go to medical school? Does she have an M.D.... Yes she has all of those. I saw her because I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated and wanted to know if it was a result of me going off my anti anxiety medication lexapro. Instead of just sending me home with no answer other than "wait it out and we'll see" like all my other doctors have done she ordered blood and urine tests to see if where my levels were at (b12, vitamin d, hormones etc. like I mentioned in the original post) to see if that could be a possibility. When those tests came back I was positive for candida overgrowth (you have 80% good yeast in your gut and 20% bad and mine was too much of the bad) and she suggested this diet plan for a month and maybe more if my levels don't return to normal in 4 weeks. I don't know how else to explain a blood test confirming that there is too much bad yeast in my gut but apparently no one wants to believe me?? Would you be satisfied if I scanned in my blood test paper that says positive? I came here for support and help with ideas to eat and I'm honest offended and sad by most of you no taking me seriously.
I personally know of some "physicians" who prescribe every gimmick in the book to make money. Phrenology, "laser" treatment for smoking and obesity, magnets... you name it. When their patients discover that one gimmick doesn't work, they move to the next one.
No reason to take offense or feel like people are "not believing" you just because we are skeptical of the diagnosis. It's no reflection of you as a person.0 -
I have to ask.....was this a real doctor you saw?
The leaky gut syndrome & candida overgrowth rang alarm bells......
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/
I just read this article and was wondering if you actually read the whole thing or stopped at the title and decided to share? Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes you can make, especially when trying to prove a point. This article is about the fact that chronic candidiasis and the claim that it can have an effect on your whole body and can lead to illness and disease such as cancer, asthma, sexual dysfunction and others mentioned are fake and not medically proven. They DO NOT deny the fact that candida overgrowth is real and as they say "can, however, become an infection, usually at times of stress or immunocompromise." I did not make any of the claims that this article has stated as examples of it being a fake illness.0 -
Please do get a second opinion. The fact that she made this diagnosis based only on blood and urine tests is very concerning. Simple put, blood and urine alone can't tell you enough about what is occurring in your digestive tract.
I personally know a woman who accepted one of these candida diagnoses a year and the "treatments" that she has gone through since then have been horrendous. It has gotten to the point that she has been told she can eat only 10 different foods, she is getting multiple hydrogen peroxide IVs each week and she has various "remedies" that she takes by nebulizer. In addition to leaving her exhausted, underweight and coughing, the treatments have costs her a small fortunate because they are not covered by insurance.0 -
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Hey, you can try the Atkins page , its a no carb and sugar diet plan. On there page there are lots of delicious food choices that are low in carbs. Hope I helped a lil 0
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I have to ask.....was this a real doctor you saw?
The leaky gut syndrome & candida overgrowth rang alarm bells......
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/
I just read this article and was wondering if you actually read the whole thing or stopped at the title and decided to share? Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes you can make, especially when trying to prove a point. This article is about the fact that chronic candidiasis and the claim that it can have an effect on your whole body and can lead to illness and disease such as cancer, asthma, sexual dysfunction and others mentioned are fake and not medically proven. They DO NOT deny the fact that candida overgrowth is real and as they say "can, however, become an infection, usually at times of stress or immunocompromise." I did not make any of the claims that this article has stated as examples of it being a fake illness.
Errrr, yes, but it then manifests orally or vaginally and is rarely systemic and then only in severe cases with those who already compromised immune systems. Those aren't your symptoms unless you have left information out of this thread.
You can't blame people for being sceptical...0 -
The diet will be hard for some people like my self.. If I don't have enough of it during the day ( sugar) I will crave a lot of it at night.
Are you a vegetarian or a vegan ?
You can alway have the following Zucchini, Eggplant, cabbage, lettuce, mushrooms as you can have a cup of that and still only be 16 calories = 4 grams of carbs
Protein - Tofu, Beans, Whey,
Expect to Pea alot.. apparently carbs hold so much water. when you lower your carb intake you lower your water weight0 -
I have to ask.....was this a real doctor you saw?
The leaky gut syndrome & candida overgrowth rang alarm bells......
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/
I just read this article and was wondering if you actually read the whole thing or stopped at the title and decided to share? Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes you can make, especially when trying to prove a point. This article is about the fact that chronic candidiasis and the claim that it can have an effect on your whole body and can lead to illness and disease such as cancer, asthma, sexual dysfunction and others mentioned are fake and not medically proven. They DO NOT deny the fact that candida overgrowth is real and as they say "can, however, become an infection, usually at times of stress or immunocompromise." I did not make any of the claims that this article has stated as examples of it being a fake illness.
It's saying that it's extremely rare for it to be a system infection:Candida can also rarely cause serious systemic infection, but this is mostly restricted to those with compromised immune systems, such as patients undergoing chemotherapy or with advanced AIDS.
Candida became the focus of a fake illness beginning in 1986 with the publication of The Yeast Connection by Dr. William Crook. In this book Crook proposed the idea that systemic candidiasis, or Candida hypersensitivity, was responsible for a host of common conditions and non-specific symptoms, such as fatigue, sexual dysfunction, asthma, and psoriasis.
Over 25 years later Candida hypersensitivity remains an unproven claim, but popular among “alternative” practitioners.
No one is saying they don't believe you. They're saying that this is an iffy diagnosis and it couldn't hurt to get a second opinion.0 -
Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
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I would say no on the Carrots. Loaded with carbs and sugar.
You don't eat meat of any kind? Or fish?
I'm a low carber and there is no way to eat NO carbs and no sugar.
Even vegetables have some carbs.
No, no meats at all! And no fish. Yeah I'm sure I can still eat SOME carbs, like those found in vegetables. I think I just have to stay away from the real sugary carbs which would only increase the yeast growth. Thanks!!
If you can't eat meats/fish, carbs, sugar... I'm having trouble thinking of anything you CAN eat!
Cauliflower. You can eat always eat that and substitute it for anything.
OP: Since it looks like this is short term, what about dairy? I saw someone ask if you were vegetarian or vegan. Since its digestive related how about yogurt? Will certain active cultures be able to reduce the amount of yeast you have faster than without eating it?
Non Fat Greek Yogurt is also an excellent source of protein.
ETA: If you arent an Ovo-lacto Vegetarian then it doesnt look like its going to be easy for you.
All I could find was this....
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/vegetarian/tp/Low-Carb-Vegetarian-Protein-Foods.htm
Which is kinda stupid since it lists Eggs as the first item. I thought Vegetarians do not eat meat, eggs or dairy? :ohwell:0 -
I have to ask.....was this a real doctor you saw?
The leaky gut syndrome & candida overgrowth rang alarm bells......
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/
I just read this article and was wondering if you actually read the whole thing or stopped at the title and decided to share? Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes you can make, especially when trying to prove a point. This article is about the fact that chronic candidiasis and the claim that it can have an effect on your whole body and can lead to illness and disease such as cancer, asthma, sexual dysfunction and others mentioned are fake and not medically proven. They DO NOT deny the fact that candida overgrowth is real and as they say "can, however, become an infection, usually at times of stress or immunocompromise." I did not make any of the claims that this article has stated as examples of it being a fake illness.
Do you have AIDS? Cancer? Are you severely immunocompromised?
Have you recently undergone a course of broad-spectrum antibiotics?
If not, your doctor is probably a quack.0 -
Have you recently had chemotherapy or been hospitalized and had a central line put in, massive doses of antibiotics, major surgery, or been fed through an IV? If not, it is extremely unlikely that you have systemic candidiasis. This is an extremely serious fungal infection and if you have it, you would likely be in the ICU.
It is a favorite diagnosis of alternative medicine practitioners, and I bought into it at one time, wasted a lot of money on herbal supplements, and endured an unnecessarily restrictive diet. I do still believe in many alternative therapies, such as some herbs, yoga, meditation, etc. but have grown a lot more cautious. (I went to an MD many years ago that diagnosed a urinary tract infection based on iridology - looking at the eye - and the urine test came back negative.)
The web can be soooo useful, but it also contains a wealth of misinformation. I try to stick to domains ending in .edu, .gov., or, occasionally, .org.
It would not hurt to cut out sugar and refined carbs, but all carbs - why? There is no medical or scientific reason I know of for doing so.0 -
While I appreciate everyones input and it has made me look more closely at what my doctor has told me, I am allowed to believe what I believe, regardless of whether it is a "holistic" approach or not. I have been suffering from painful bloating since early June and this doctor was the third doctor I saw for it and the only one who ordered ANY type of test. Before anyone says "maybe its your diet or exercise routine" I eat a clean, vegetarian diet and workout 5-6 times a week and used this website to lose over 20 lbs last summer. I consider myself I pretty healthy person now and love to use this website to read up on health, diet and fitness. This post has turned into something that could have been said with one persons skepticism, but instead people like to insult my doctor using the word "quack" and putting a negative connotation on the titles "shaman" and "healer". She is none of those things whether you believe me or not, but she is a doctor that has given me SOME suggestion on how to feel more physically comfortable. I believe one of the purposes of this website is to create a community focused around supporting peoples (healthy) diet and lifestyle decisions if it will improve their weight, health, self-esteem, comfortability or whatever it may be that's bringing them here. I was excited that I may have an answer to my bloating problem and to post about it in order to get some good ideas, but after reading some of your posts, I felt again like there was nothing wrong with me and I am simply just going to be this way.
I understand now, through the people who have answered my question, that I cannot eliminate ALL carbs because I would be eating nothing being a vegetarian. Whether candida overgrowth is widely accepted in the medical field or not, I am open to eliminating some of the potential causes to my discomfort suggested by my doctor. If you woke up uncomfortable everyday wouldn't you want to do something about it? If it works, then it works, but I would appreciate it if I was no longer discouraged by your google searches. Thanks!!0 -
Have you recently had chemotherapy or been hospitalized and had a central line put in, massive doses of antibiotics, major surgery, or been fed through an IV? If not, it is extremely unlikely that you have systemic candidiasis. This is an extremely serious fungal infection and if you have it, you would likely be in the ICU.
It is a favorite diagnosis of alternative medicine practitioners, and I bought into it at one time, wasted a lot of money on herbal supplements, and endured an unnecessarily restrictive diet. I do still believe in many alternative therapies, such as some herbs, yoga, meditation, etc. but have grown a lot more cautious. (I went to an MD many years ago that diagnosed a urinary tract infection based on iridology - looking at the eye - and the urine test came back negative.)
The web can be soooo useful, but it also contains a wealth of misinformation. I try to stick to domains ending in .edu, .gov., or, occasionally, .org.
It would not hurt to cut out sugar and refined carbs, but all carbs - why? There is no medical or scientific reason I know of for doing so.
I went to this doctor, like i stated earlier to figure out the levels of necessary vitamins in my system. Through my blood tests it was found that my B12 was at 169 when it should be greater than or equal to 800. That is extremely low. One of the functions of B12 is supporting a healthy immune system. Along with being so low in B12, a blood test also confirmed that I have one copy of c677T gene mutation or known as MTHFR. MTHFR is an enzyme that is responsible for the process of methylation in every cell in your body and "When people with genetic mutations is MTHFR are exposed to toxins, they have a harder time getting rid of them which can cause some very serious illnesses." One process that MTHFR is responsible for is healthy immune system function. I got this information from http://doccarnahan.blogspot.com/2013/05/mthfr-gene-mutation-whats-big-deal.html Although from a blog, none of that is opinion its simply medical facts. I found ALL this out yesterday when I got my blood tests back. I do in-fact have a compromised immune system due this. i don't mean to explain myself so much, but i feel the need to with all this coming at me
but thanks for your input!0 -
Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
nothing like calling out misogyny with misandry.0 -
OP - who is your doctor?0
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Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
nothing like calling out misogyny with misandry.
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Hi again beldenc,
The MTHFR gene is more related to heart health than immune system functioning. The C677T mutation is very common and, in most people, does not cause symptoms. Most common is a high homocysteine level.
From the NIH (National Institutes of Health):
The MTHFR gene provides the instructions for making the MTHFR enzyme, which plays a role in converting the amino acid homocysteine to methionine. A change in a gene is called a mutation or a polymorphism. Some changes in the MTHFR gene are very common, such as the C677T mutation or the A1298C mutation. These mutations result in a version of the MTHFR enzyme that has a mildly to moderately reduced function. There are also rare mutations in the MTHFR gene that severely impair the enzyme and cause a rare disease called homocystinuria.[1]
People with a personal or family history of heart disease or blood clots may be tested for the common MTHFR gene mutations. Because each person has two copies of the MTHFR gene, it is possible to have one or two MTHFR gene mutations. If you have two mutations, you are said to be homozygous. If you have one mutation, you are heterozygous. Individuals with two C677T mutations and people with one C677T and one A1298C mutation have an increased risk of developing blood clots. Having this increased risk does not mean that a person will develop a clot, as many people with MTHFR gene mutations never do.[1]
Here is a good site with more information on this gene: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/MTHFR .
Regarding the painful bloating, have you had a checkup with your gynecologist?
Good luck.0 -
Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
nothing like calling out misogyny with misandry.
[ img ] you-don't-know-what-it-means.gif [ / img ]
Ho ho, give it a thought... attacking a stereotype with another is precisely what was being called out.
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Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
nothing like calling out misogyny with misandry.
Touche.
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Is this a real doctor or a "healer" or "shaman?" LOL
EDIT:I was feeling lethargic, tired, moody, poor concentration and bloated
Also, based on your symptoms I diagnose you as female.
Because a little misogyny is just what this thread needed.
nothing like calling out misogyny with misandry.
[ img ] you-don't-know-what-it-means.gif [ / img ]
Ho ho, give it a thought... attacking a stereotype with another is precisely what was being called out.
I did think about it, which is why I responded as I did.
Her gif was of ONE woman 'hating on' ONE man, and is NOT an example of misandry.
Yours was clearly directed at ALL females.
But I'm guessing you were just trying to be funny. 0
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