I feel like I'm never going to squat properly. *pics*
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When I first started squatting, I did lean forward, the body tends to. It wasn't until I did so many that I was able to do correctly. The power comes from the hip, and your *kitten* LOL... but no joke.
You want the weight to be comfortable on your back and if you do move up in weight it will feel heavy at first, sometimes leave a bruise but it does go away and the muscles in your back grow. Then you get so strong you don't feel any pain with heavy weight on your back. I never used a pad like some people do.
I highly suggest something to sit on, touch, go up, touch, go up. Any weight is better than none to practice. You need weight to build the frame. Naturally your forward lean will leave, it did for me too but using a stick forever won't help that.0 -
I was told at the beginning by my instructors that your knees should not go over your toes cause it is bad for your knees to do it. They said it is like sitting in a chair and your butt just needs to go back and down.
So .. I didn't look at all your pics but you do not need to go "all the way down" to get benefits. So .. just do it a little at a time and see how you do. But mostly .. just concentrate on good form. Keep the weight low at first .. cause you do not want to have bad form and high weight.
Work on the form first before you up the weight.0 -
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hips-dont-lie-3-drills-to-nail-hip-hinge.html
Getting the hip hinge down is a great step towards having great form for squats.
You can also do a box squat.
You have super long legs and this will absolutely affect how you squat.
Every body is different and it's not a one size fits all approach. There are certain fundamentals that remain the same, but stance, where the knees end up in relation to the toes and toe turnout are based on each person.
Do not increase your weight until you feel comfortable with your form, that is a recipe for injury.
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First off, your form does not seem to be too far out of whack. As others have said, hip and knee flexibility are probably the root cause of some issues. With a proper back squat, the bar should be vertically aligned with the center of the foot at the start of the drive. A lot of people try to maintain some awkward vertical back alignment when they should have their back in a more horizontal alignment (say 45 degrees) with the floor.
And everyone squats differently. Slightly varied stances, bar positioning, hand hold, hip-knee angle, etc. are all common. Google 'Mark Rippetoe squat' and watch some instructional videos. I think you will see that you're closer to a proper form than you think.0 -
You've had some good advice re: hip mobility, stretching, etc. I'm actually not a fan of elevating the heels. You did say one thing that really jumped out at me and has not been addressed so I'm going to throw it out there now.
You said that the closer together your feet are, the less depth you get. That's a big sign that your foot position is off. Normally, if your feet are angled properly, the closer together your feet are, the more depth, but less power, you have. The trick in squatting is finding that place where you get the most power and still get down far enough. You'll see tons of videos talking about how to angle your feet, but the reality is that every body is different. Your hips won't attach at the same angle as the people in those videos. Or on a forum such as this. Neither will your knees. And even if they did, your years of growing, using, and developing your body will create different angles. Find a foot position where your knee travels directly over your toes. For me, that's actually a bit more open on the left foot than the right. My right foot is about 1 o'clock but my left is closer to 10 o'clock. Play with it. What you'll find is, once you get your angle right for your feet, the hips open up automatically and your weight wants to stay in your heels. You'll be able to drop straight down with your heels closer together, but you'll feel the movement primarily in your quads. As you move your feet out you'll struggle a bit more to get down at first, and the stress of the movement will be less on your quads and more on your glutes and hamstrings. It takes practice. But it's worth the practice because, again, the wider your heels the more power you have.0 -
2 months ago I could have written this post. But I sucked it up and realized I was going to have to go some rudimentary work - so for the last month I have been doing box squats, goblet squats and more box squats.
I am much more upright now, and my depth is also greater than before - I am hitting parallel or lower for the first time ever.
Be patient and nail the basics, then progress to weights. You will be very pleased with the results as I am.0 -
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I had this problem when i was beginning. You just need to train your body to adjust to the proper form. It will be a habit eventually. Luckily my f is a trainer so everytime i didnt have the proper form he would remind if i was sticking my derrier out too much or leanig forward. Your feet should be sjoulder width but you can adjust on what is more comfortable. Theres different types of squats.
Goodluck just keep reminding yourself to correct form, use lighter weight till you get it or you can hurt yourself0 -
Your hip mobility needs work.
Google hip stretch exercises
this this this
work with goblit squats and doing the yoga pose where you are squatting full depth- elbows on knees- it's like a seated outdoor bathroom kind of posture- gosh- I have to look it up every time and I NEVER remember. oh well. You can just google hip opening poses for yoga... and check Kelly Starlett for mobility.
high runners stretch and lower runners stretch are good options as well.
keep working it- it'll get better.0 -
I was told at the beginning by my instructors that your knees should not go over your toes cause it is bad for your knees to do it. They said it is like sitting in a chair and your butt just needs to go back and down.
Which is appropriate for folks with shorter legs. I think this is covered pretty well in starting strength, that as the leg length goes up, that ankle mo comes into play, and that your knee will go past your toes.0 -
I think it might just be that right now, the shoulder mo might not allow for a "true" low bar. I know I can't.
I'd say though, the OP needs to give a few more pics, front, rear, and 3/4. Judging from what I've seen, I think my lifting coach would have my chest more upright in the back squat.
I have some issues with shoulder mobility as well. I still struggle with it on some days. I use resistance bands, pull them apart over head and work them down into a low bar squat position on my back and then try to pull them all the way apart and rotate my shoulders all the way through until the band is behind me and touching my lower back and then rotate through all the way back to overhead. I'll do that ten times with the band fairly loose and then wrap the band one loop tighter around each hand and do it again, repeat until the band is tight enough I can't pull my arms apart past the low bar position and then just go from overhead to low bar ten times.
Don't know if that made any sense at all but I'm having no luck finding the video link a friend gave me demonstrating the stretch.0 -
Mobility work is key. I used to be in the same boat. I thought well I'm 6'3" I shouldn't be able to go ATG on squats. But, I really wanted to. Check out Elliot Hulse's mobility stretches on YouTube. That changed my life when it comes to squats.0
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bump, need to read and re-read! Thanks for great links and info!0
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Mobility work is key. I used to be in the same boat. I thought well I'm 6'3" I shouldn't be able to go ATG on squats. But, I really wanted to. Check out Elliot Hulse's mobility stretches on YouTube. That changed my life when it comes to squats.
The mobility work IS helping a lot, but it won't change the fact that when the backs of my thighs are flat against the backs of my calves, my *kitten* is still several inches off the ground! :laugh:0 -
45 replies and no response from the OP. Anyway, i'll throw in my 2 cents. You're leaning forward and with a wide stance to keep from tipping backward, because your legs are so long. Interim solution is to do goblet squats or front squats, with a wide stance. Next progression is sumo squats. with a barbell or dumbbells.
If you can't work up to doing back squats, don't stress over it. It's not as functional as the others i mentioned.
By the way, hip mobility seems fine, and shoulder mobility is excellent. Stretching your calves before lifting should help keep the feet from flaring out so far.0 -
I think it might just be that right now, the shoulder mo might not allow for a "true" low bar. I know I can't.
I'd say though, the OP needs to give a few more pics, front, rear, and 3/4. Judging from what I've seen, I think my lifting coach would have my chest more upright in the back squat.
I have some issues with shoulder mobility as well. I still struggle with it on some days. I use resistance bands, pull them apart over head and work them down into a low bar squat position on my back and then try to pull them all the way apart and rotate my shoulders all the way through until the band is behind me and touching my lower back and then rotate through all the way back to overhead. I'll do that ten times with the band fairly loose and then wrap the band one loop tighter around each hand and do it again, repeat until the band is tight enough I can't pull my arms apart past the low bar position and then just go from overhead to low bar ten times.
Don't know if that made any sense at all but I'm having no luck finding the video link a friend gave me demonstrating the stretch.
Hmm, having a hard time visualizing that. I'll hunt through youtube.0 -
I think it might just be that right now, the shoulder mo might not allow for a "true" low bar. I know I can't.
I'd say though, the OP needs to give a few more pics, front, rear, and 3/4. Judging from what I've seen, I think my lifting coach would have my chest more upright in the back squat.
I have some issues with shoulder mobility as well. I still struggle with it on some days. I use resistance bands, pull them apart over head and work them down into a low bar squat position on my back and then try to pull them all the way apart and rotate my shoulders all the way through until the band is behind me and touching my lower back and then rotate through all the way back to overhead. I'll do that ten times with the band fairly loose and then wrap the band one loop tighter around each hand and do it again, repeat until the band is tight enough I can't pull my arms apart past the low bar position and then just go from overhead to low bar ten times.
Don't know if that made any sense at all but I'm having no luck finding the video link a friend gave me demonstrating the stretch.
Hmm, having a hard time visualizing that. I'll hunt through youtube.
AHA! This is basically what you're going for. If you are starting very tight you may only be able to work the band down to shoulder blade or elbow level at first, but it should improve surprisingly quickly as you work on it. I like it because it's a dynamic stretch so it helps warm everything up as you stretch the shoulders out.
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roger that, will try it.0
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45 replies and no response from the OP. Anyway, i'll throw in my 2 cents. You're leaning forward and with a wide stance to keep from tipping backward, because your legs are so long. Interim solution is to do goblet squats or front squats, with a wide stance. Next progression is sumo squats. with a barbell or dumbbells.
If you can't work up to doing back squats, don't stress over it. It's not as functional as the others i mentioned.
By the way, hip mobility seems fine, and shoulder mobility is excellent. Stretching your calves before lifting should help keep the feet from flaring out so far.
Sorry guys I worked and slept all weekend. I was however wearing the replies and just had no time to get on the computer to comment.0 -
I think it might just be that right now, the shoulder mo might not allow for a "true" low bar. I know I can't.
I'd say though, the OP needs to give a few more pics, front, rear, and 3/4. Judging from what I've seen, I think my lifting coach would have my chest more upright in the back squat.
I'll upload some more today.0 -
Mobility work is key. I used to be in the same boat. I thought well I'm 6'3" I shouldn't be able to go ATG on squats. But, I really wanted to. Check out Elliot Hulse's mobility stretches on YouTube. That changed my life when it comes to squats.
I'm actually only like 5'6" maybe after a good stretch barely touch 5'7". I really want to do ATG. I've got tiny feet and long legs. I think my mobility could use a lot of work. I'll check the videos out.0 -
Great advice in here! My trainer also had me do wall squats to help with my form. Take a kettle bell or dumb bell and place it about 3-4 inches from the wall. Face the wall, with toes about an inch or two from the wall and legs spread a little more than shoulder width apart. Squat down slowly, keeping your butt back and chest up, and don't let your nose or knees hit the wall. Pick up the weight and stand to complete the move. The next time you go down, just tap the weight on the ground before going back up.
I have a lot of trouble with forward lean on my squats and this^^^ was the same advice given to me. Also, put a stool, chair, etc behind you and just touch your bum to it. More important to get form down vs going deeper into the squat.
I'll be checking out all these links, thanks to those that posted them.
I saw these on youtube. I'll give them a go.0 -
Thanks for all the advice guys. I'll play around with some things and stretch more. I have noticed that I can have my legs closer and be more upright if I put something like an inch in a half under my heels. Is there a way to get over that without buying oly shoes?0
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