Carbs VS Fat VS Protein

I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.

I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.

Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.

to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%

At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.

Past this point is not related to the average person.

The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.

In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.

Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.

It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.

This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs

While I agree that less protein is required the higher the BF% *if* you base it on body weight. This is not to say it is irrelevant though - the math just needs to change. That is why I usually prefer to use LBM as it at least has a 'self governing' factor. The person with a 25% BF will have a proportionately lower LBM that the same person with a 15% BF.

Protein deficiency (or excess) can possibly cause a downstream impact that will affect hormones - although this is goes more into the 'possible' and 'may' realms when talking about a deficiency as opposed to an excess (and excess is pretty high and varies on the individual).

The problem I see with LBM is fat calipers and electrode ways of measurement are being interpreted as the proper form of measurement. When I started lifting I was 13-16% bodyfat when I was clearly 25%+.
A trained individual, the numbers will not be vary as much.

This forum is mainly comprised of overweight people rather than bodybuilders or athletes. Their numbers will vary much higher than someone who is clearly 15%.

Well I guess its cause the physiological requirement of protein is so low I couldnt imagine someone going that low.

Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA

It's long but worth listening to (more than once )

I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.

Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA

It's long but worth listening to (more than once )

I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.

Ian is actually really knowledgeable (if a little annoying). He is young so does not have the physique of many of the others. He also overcame anorexia and so had further to go to look big. Knowledge about protein does not require a good physique.

The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.

I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.

Edited for typo.

20c / 40f / 40p - My reasons for this is I am following a 1800 cal diet. I'm an Endomorph body type

I want protein at 1g per lb of lean body mass. My lean body mass is around 180lbs therefore 40% of 1800 cals = 720 cals divided by 4 = 180g protein

I want to keep below 100g of carbs per day therefore 1800 divided by 100g x 4cal = 450 = 25% of total cals (rounded down to 20% because mfp doesn't allow 25%

Rest is allocated to fat which equals 40%

Great article on macro ratios and fat loss depending on body types here

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-ripped-dude-magical-macronutrient-ratio-for-fat-loss.html

The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.

I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.

Edited for typo.

I guess you are referring to the Layne vs Lyle debate.

No only that - just before that was the Lyle v Martin and the Lyle v Contreras and as a peripheral the Lyle v Aragon sh!tstorms. Recurring theme there...Lyle.

Oh I completely agree. I feel that I know that know more about nutrition than most of the nutrition majors I have came across.
The thing is he has no rep or no cred to be acting like such a way.

Lyle has meltdowns but we know he is smart. He has interpreted countless studies and done many readings.

The thing is we know that Lyle is right in many things, even if I dont agree with his online persona(Even though I laugh at his meltdowns). He has a reputation.

Ian tries to proclaim himself as an online guru, but he spits out information that has been said by the bigger guys. I admire what he is trying to do with the truth, I dont like how he is doing it cause he is making many educated in the people in the community seem like pieces of ****.

I am not even talking about the rest of these people who talk about IIFYM without knowing the true basis of the diet. The fact it was made to cover micronutrient intake as well. not just by taking in protein powders, waxy maize, and olive oil as sources of food.

You already know my personal beliefs with people that are so concrete with these followings and do not follow moderation and this goes both ways of veganism, paleo dieters, and people who literally take it as IF IT FITS YOUR MACROS with disregard of micronutrients, phytochemicals, and antioxidants

Carbs 50%, Protein 25%, Fats 25%