Measuring food CAN be a lead way towards eating disorders

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  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,324 Member
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    it can become an obsession, but the concept is solid.

    ...which is exactly the point she was making.

    ok great. anything can, depending on the person.
    seems to me shes demonizing calorie tracking.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    I'm unclear. Are you talking about measuring food and shooting for realistic goals? Or measuring foods but not using any goals which wouldn't make a lot of sense.

    Inversely setting unhealthy goals can and likely will lead to an ED but that isn't the fault of measuring.

    By my thinking when you measure and plan it can become a habit but unless you set unhealthy goals it can only be good.

    She's right.

    Measuring isn't for everybody. Maybe it's right for 90%. Or even 95%. But it can also lead to obsessive behaviors which can be extraordinarily unhealthy for some individuals.

    Different people react differently to different stimuli, and there's no "one size fits all" solution.

    There are certainly other ways to ensure that you're in a calorie deficit without having to resort to measuring your foods. Millions of people manage to successfully lose weight without resorting to measuring their foods, so it's not like it's impossible or even extraordinarily difficult to do.

    I think her point is that reflexively advising every single person who asks for advice to start measuring their food (as some do) isn't necessarily the best option every single time. For some - or maybe even most - it might be. But there are plenty of steps between not caring at all about what you eat and weighing every bite you eat that can be taken. That's a dangerous road for some to go down as anyone who worked with ED can tell you.

    check the link I posted.

    OP already has an ED. was asking for help. didn't get the answers she wanted, now she's all poopy.

    Ohhhhh!!! I see what type of thread this is. Clever.
  • CuteAndCurvy83
    CuteAndCurvy83 Posts: 570 Member
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    Okay I just want to make things clear about measuring. It can possible, not always, but possibly lead to an eating disorder. Or even could lead to a relapse as well. Measuring foods DOES NOT work for EVERYONE.

    Well if you wanna go that far you could say that EATING can but not always but possibly lead to an eating disorder...
  • Mikkimeow
    Mikkimeow Posts: 1,282 Member
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    Okay I just want to make things clear about measuring. It can possible, not always, but possibly lead to an eating disorder. Or even could lead to a relapse as well. Measuring foods DOES NOT work for EVERYONE.

    Nothing works for EVERYONE

    And ANYTHING is possible

    Yup.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    it can become an obsession, but the concept is solid.

    ...which is exactly the point she was making.

    Could you please list what can't become compulsive for those who are predisposed to being compulsive?

    Exactly.
  • hj1119
    hj1119 Posts: 173 Member
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    AusteenaHayes, don't you have some working out to go do?

    One does not reach 6 hours of increased heart rate by pretending to be a grown up on forums.
  • AusteenaHayes
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    Okay guys listen up here. I'm posting this from experience with anorexia and as a warning.

    So many people out there misunderstand eating disorders. You don't have to be skinny to be anorexic and you don't have to be fat to be a binge eater. You don't have to always have veins popping out in your eye from purging to be bulimic. You don't have to be a girl to have an eating disorder. It can occur to anyone, guys included. You don't have to be in your teen years or twenties. Hell there could be someone out there with one who is close to fifty, sixty, whatever. An eating disorder CAN strike anyone!

    Those struggling are all different. So therefore, they will all have a different way towards recovery. Like for me, being a vegetarian helps me, keeping up with my running help me. Tracking my calories helps me. Measuring does not. Measuring will make me begin to relapse. Is that different for every other victim, hell yeah!

    I have some idea for you guys out there that fall for these damn stereotypes on eating disorders. Go look up the misunderstandings about it all and come back and then maybe you will understand what and how us victims think. A victims brain actually functions differently than one who doesn't have an eating disorder. Also us victims do not always seek attention and ****. If we, a lot of times bring up our problems, its because we want help. But I'm not asking for help because I believe I'm strong enough to fight this on my own. No, just no, I'm not getting help. I don't want others to suffer with me. I want to leave them out of this because this is my own damn problem in struggling with.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
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    Just out of curiosity - why is this in the "Introduce Yourself" forum?
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    I'm unclear. Are you talking about measuring food and shooting for realistic goals? Or measuring foods but not using any goals which wouldn't make a lot of sense.

    Inversely setting unhealthy goals can and likely will lead to an ED but that isn't the fault of measuring.

    By my thinking when you measure and plan it can become a habit but unless you set unhealthy goals it can only be good.

    She's right.

    Measuring isn't for everybody. Maybe it's right for 90%. Or even 95%. But it can also lead to obsessive behaviors which can be extraordinarily unhealthy for some individuals.

    Different people react differently to different stimuli, and there's no "one size fits all" solution.

    There are certainly other ways to ensure that you're in a calorie deficit without having to resort to measuring your foods. Millions of people manage to successfully lose weight without resorting to measuring their foods, so it's not like it's impossible or even extraordinarily difficult to do.

    I think her point is that reflexively advising every single person who asks for advice to start measuring their food (as some do) isn't necessarily the best option every single time. For some - or maybe even most - it might be. But there are plenty of steps between not caring at all about what you eat and weighing every bite you eat that can be taken. That's a dangerous road for some to go down, as anyone who worked with EDs can tell you.

    That's like saying "trying to eat more vegetables" is going to lead to an ED because people with Eating Disorders may restrict food groups.

    Weighing your food is a good learning tool to see if you are eating more than you think. It's a tool that can be used unhealthily, just like any tool.
  • trogalicious
    trogalicious Posts: 4,583 Member
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    But I'm not asking for help because I believe I'm strong enough to fight this on my own. No, just no, I'm not getting help. I don't want others to suffer with me. I want to leave them out of this because this is my own damn problem in struggling with.

    you're clearly not strong enough to handle this on your own.
    you're lashing out at people on an internet forum to make yourself feel better.
    there are healthcare professionals out there that want to help you.

    ...but they can't do so until you want to help yourself.

    please seek that out.
  • F00LofaT00K
    F00LofaT00K Posts: 688 Member
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    I'm unclear. Are you talking about measuring food and shooting for realistic goals? Or measuring foods but not using any goals which wouldn't make a lot of sense.

    Inversely setting unhealthy goals can and likely will lead to an ED but that isn't the fault of measuring.

    By my thinking when you measure and plan it can become a habit but unless you set unhealthy goals it can only be good.


    First of all, you can suffer from an eating disorder without having unhealthy goals. I believe the OP is suggesting that for people who have a mental state that makes them more prone to eating disorders, tracking calories is often a catalyst for triggering an eating disorder. For those who are mentally well-adjusted, tracking calories will not typically push them toward an eating disorder. Having suffered from an eating disorder, I can say that watching the calories day after day and watching the number on the scale drop can be incredibly satisfying in all the wrong ways.

    So let's say that somebody has entirely healthy goals, but they place such emphasis and control over meeting their goals EXACTLY in terms of calories and macros that they stop going out with friends, refuse to participate in company lunches, stop eating foods unless they know exactly what's in the recipe and feels like a complete failure and cries when they go over by 25 calories or if they're a couple grams off on their protein goal. No matter how healthy their goal is, you can't tell me that this is good for that person. It's an internal issue as far as mental health, it is not "caused" by tracking calories, but the tracking can very well be the catalyst.
  • Ninkyou
    Ninkyou Posts: 6,666 Member
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    Please seek professional help.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    Okay guys listen up here. I'm posting this from experience with anorexia and as a warning.

    So many people out there misunderstand eating disorders. You don't have to be skinny to be anorexic and you don't have to be fat to be a binge eater. You don't have to always have veins popping out in your eye from purging to be bulimic. You don't have to be a girl to have an eating disorder. It can occur to anyone, guys included. You don't have to be in your teen years or twenties. Hell there could be someone out there with one who is close to fifty, sixty, whatever. An eating disorder CAN strike anyone!

    Those struggling are all different. So therefore, they will all have a different way towards recovery. Like for me, being a vegetarian helps me, keeping up with my running help me. Tracking my calories helps me. Measuring does not. Measuring will make me begin to relapse. Is that different for every other victim, hell yeah!

    I have some idea for you guys out there that fall for these damn stereotypes on eating disorders. Go look up the misunderstandings about it all and come back and then maybe you will understand what and how us victims think. A victims brain actually functions differently than one who doesn't have an eating disorder. Also us victims do not always seek attention and ****. If we, a lot of times bring up our problems, its because we want help. But I'm not asking for help because I believe I'm strong enough to fight this on my own. No, just no, I'm not getting help. I don't want others to suffer with me. I want to leave them out of this because this is my own damn problem in struggling with.


    And this has to do with what you posted about how exactly? In order to track, you have to use some form of measurement so not understanding your reasoning AT ALL.

    As someone who has gone from one side of the eating disorder spectrum to the other and back...I did all that prior to measuring food or/and recording it.

    I understand how measuring and being controlling on your intake can exacerbate an ED for some..but for others it helps. To make such general statements is what people are shaking their head at, not to mention acting as if no one here is dealing or has dealt with an ED. :noway:
  • nicsflyingcircus
    nicsflyingcircus Posts: 2,426 Member
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    Okay guys listen up here. I'm posting this from experience with anorexia and as a warning.

    So many people out there misunderstand eating disorders. You don't have to be skinny to be anorexic and you don't have to be fat to be a binge eater. You don't have to always have veins popping out in your eye from purging to be bulimic. You don't have to be a girl to have an eating disorder. It can occur to anyone, guys included. You don't have to be in your teen years or twenties. Hell there could be someone out there with one who is close to fifty, sixty, whatever. An eating disorder CAN strike anyone!

    Those struggling are all different. So therefore, they will all have a different way towards recovery. Like for me, being a vegetarian helps me, keeping up with my running help me. Tracking my calories helps me. Measuring does not. Measuring will make me begin to relapse. Is that different for every other victim, hell yeah!

    I have some idea for you guys out there that fall for these damn stereotypes on eating disorders. Go look up the misunderstandings about it all and come back and then maybe you will understand what and how us victims think. A victims brain actually functions differently than one who doesn't have an eating disorder. Also us victims do not always seek attention and ****. If we, a lot of times bring up our problems, its because we want help. But I'm not asking for help because I believe I'm strong enough to fight this on my own. No, just no, I'm not getting help. I don't want others to suffer with me. I want to leave them out of this because this is my own damn problem in struggling with.

    How do you track your calories if you don't measure? (honest question)
  • bidimus
    bidimus Posts: 95 Member
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    I'm unclear. Are you talking about measuring food and shooting for realistic goals? Or measuring foods but not using any goals which wouldn't make a lot of sense.

    Inversely setting unhealthy goals can and likely will lead to an ED but that isn't the fault of measuring.

    By my thinking when you measure and plan it can become a habit but unless you set unhealthy goals it can only be good.

    She's right.

    Measuring isn't for everybody. Maybe it's right for 90%. Or even 95%. But it can also lead to obsessive behaviors which can be extraordinarily unhealthy for some individuals.

    Different people react differently to different stimuli, and there's no "one size fits all" solution.

    There are certainly other ways to ensure that you're in a calorie deficit without having to resort to measuring your foods. Millions of people manage to successfully lose weight without resorting to measuring their foods, so it's not like it's impossible or even extraordinarily difficult to do.

    I think her point is that reflexively advising every single person who asks for advice to start measuring their food (as some do) isn't necessarily the best option every single time. For some - or maybe even most - it might be. But there are plenty of steps between not caring at all about what you eat and weighing every bite you eat that can be taken. That's a dangerous road for some to go down, as anyone who worked with EDs can tell you.

    I can see what you're saying. The activity of calorie counting being a trigger for a disorder.

    It seems that there is a simple science to it though. If your body needs 2000 calories and you always put in exactly 2000 calories then your body is never starved of fuel or in excess of fuel.

    It only doesn't work when you not honest about the intake or the goals which could be the result of a disorder. And that can totally happen. I've seen it happen here on the boards. But the method isn't the tool of the disorder. It's more akin to an environment that makes the disorder harder to control.

    It's more like an alcoholic working as a bartender. It's harder and requires more self control but not impossible. Though I wouldn't recommend it. The difference is you get a better view of the ED as long as you're accurately measuring being honest with yourself. When you slip, you can see the results immediately in the numbers.

    At the end of the day though, any disorder of any type should be approached with the help of medical professionals.
  • MinimalistShoeAddict
    MinimalistShoeAddict Posts: 1,946 Member
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    OP I read your other thread and looked at your diary as well: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1392667-what-am-i-doing-wrong.

    There are many days when you eat under 1200 calories and still log 2000+ calories from exercise

    If you a not losing weight then there must be a math problem somewhere (with recording/measuring all your intake accurately and/or your calorie burn from exercise).

    If measuring food is going to trigger your ED then please talk to a specialist. Perhaps until then you can focus on more conservative calorie burn estimates from your exercise (instead of focusing on food).

    Many people overestimate caloric burn from certain types exercise. Here is one interesting article:
    http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    Also, based on your previous thread and this one, I'm going to leave this here for you.

    http://myfitnesspal.desk.com/customer/portal/articles/1575987-eating-disorder-resources
  • AusteenaHayes
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    I just want people to understand they need to stop believing these bull**** stereotypes on eating disorders.