over a year and no weight loss

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  • jkal1979
    jkal1979 Posts: 1,896 Member
    I have a problem with people jumping to that conclusion because I spent 3 years having doctors do the same thing and low and behold, I was that 1% of the time problem that the doctor wouldn't even humor. So yes, maybe it is a problem, but again. Lets assume for the moment its not. and figure out what that 1% problem could be. I'm not dumb and I know how to count calories if I have to, but I was hoping that posting on to a fitness blog might reveal something I haven't thought of yet.

    It was revealed to you. Use the calorie counting portion of this website. Look in the Getting Started part of the message boards and read the pinned topics.

    And be a little more open minded about the advice being given to you.
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    Thank you for the reply everyone. But its sad to see everyone jumping to the conclusion that I'm over eating. I really don't think I am but will not exclude the possibility if nothing else comes up. Whether you agree or not, let's, for the moment assume, that I'm not overeating. I'm looking for a wide range of paths to be able to explore, and I can't do that if we're getting hung up one possible cause.

    I'm also concerned that no one has addressed the weight gain in the first place, does this mean it's normal to gain that much weight in that much time?

    I also have had many blood panels done, I went through 5 doctors in 3 years and every time that was the first thing they did. everything always came back normal, which is one of the reasons they always said it must be a mental illness. thyroid was my first thought as well, but again, tests came back normal.

    Thank you so far for the comments and the time spent on them!
    People are jumping to overeating first for a reason. You have had what seems like plenty of diagnostic testing done. If it was something simple like thyroid or other endocrine system dysfunction, it should have been found by now. This leaves 2 possibilities. You either A, have a rare metabolic condition not found by the many test and many doctors you have seen, or B you are eating more calories/burning less calories then you think. While A is possible, albeit unlikely, B happens all the time to people everywhere. You need to get a food scale and weigh 100% of what goes into your mouth. No cheat days/meals, no food you do not prepare yourself. Do this for 1 month and stay EXTREMELY consistent with both your exercise and calories consumed. See what your weight does. If you do not lose weight, reduce calories and give it another month. If 2 months go by with no loss, you could try and see an endocrinologist that specializes in complex metabolic conditions related to weight gain. Again it is entirely possible you do have a rare health problem, its just exponentially more likely you are simply eating more/burning less then you think.
  • I really think you should use this website. Make sure you follow your goal. Do not set a very unrealistic goal. Never go over your Daily maintenance calorie level. Track everything, including the exercise. Go to a doctor for a full Physical. You are already spending so much time maintaining your paper diary. Do it here, the calorie count will be far more accurate. Measure everything you eat.
  • meridianova
    meridianova Posts: 438 Member
    Thank you for the reply everyone. But its sad to see everyone jumping to the conclusion that I'm over eating.
    yeah... welcome to MFP. that seems to be the default response here.

    however, measuring and accurate logging WILL give you better information than generic guesstimates, and will give you documentation that you can show to your doctor.

    I'm also concerned that no one has addressed the weight gain in the first place, does this mean it's normal to gain that much weight in that much time?

    you gained what... 70lbs in 3 months? yeah i'm going to go with a big ol' HAYYLLLL NO! on that one. that's SEVERELY rapid weight gain.

    the last time i did that, i was pregnant with twins and the doctors freaked out because i WASN'T gaining weight.
    I also have had many blood panels done, I went through 5 doctors in 3 years and every time that was the first thing they did. everything always came back normal, which is one of the reasons they always said it must be a mental illness. thyroid was my first thought as well, but again, tests came back normal.

    Thank you so far for the comments and the time spent on them!

    were you seeing general practitioners, or were you speaking with specialists? an endocrinologist would really be the one you'd want to talk to.

    i had my bloodwork done about 5 years ago and was told that my thyroid levels were normal. come to find out (yesterday, actually) that my numbers were way off and well into the realm of hypothyroidism. as of 2 months ago, the numbers are better but there may still be problems. i'll know more at my next blood test.
  • meridianova
    meridianova Posts: 438 Member
    Thank you for the reply everyone. But its sad to see everyone jumping to the conclusion that I'm over eating. I really don't think I am but will not exclude the possibility if nothing else comes up. Whether you agree or not, let's, for the moment assume, that I'm not overeating. I'm looking for a wide range of paths to be able to explore, and I can't do that if we're getting hung up one possible cause.

    I'm also concerned that no one has addressed the weight gain in the first place, does this mean it's normal to gain that much weight in that much time?

    I also have had many blood panels done, I went through 5 doctors in 3 years and every time that was the first thing they did. everything always came back normal, which is one of the reasons they always said it must be a mental illness. thyroid was my first thought as well, but again, tests came back normal.

    Thank you so far for the comments and the time spent on them!
    People are jumping to overeating first for a reason. You have had what seems like plenty of diagnostic testing done. If it was something simple like thyroid or other endocrine system dysfunction, it should have been found by now. This leaves 2 possibilities. You either A, have a rare metabolic condition not found by the many test and many doctors you have seen, or B you are eating more calories/burning less calories then you think. While A is possible, albeit unlikely, B happens all the time to people everywhere. You need to get a food scale and weigh 100% of what goes into your mouth. No cheat days/meals, no food you do not prepare yourself. Do this for 1 month and stay EXTREMELY consistent with both your exercise and calories consumed. See what your weight does. If you do not lose weight, reduce calories and give it another month. If 2 months go by with no loss, you could try and see an endocrinologist that specializes in complex metabolic conditions related to weight gain. Again it is entirely possible you do have a rare health problem, its just exponentially more likely you are simply eating more/burning less then you think.

    considering that the OP is talking about gaining 70lbs in 3 months, i'm far more inclined to think that there's something medical going on, rather than assuming he's eating an extra one of these every single day...

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  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    I have already explained over and over again that I have not excluded overeating from being possible, I don't know how I can be more open minded than that other than just blindly agreeing and going on my merry way. it seems that the people that refuse to believe it could be anything but overeating are the ones who need to be more open minded and try to consider for a moment what else could be wrong. for instance, the people that suggested the blood panel, that was a step in the right direction.

    again, no one has addressed the weight gain in the first place. so I'll ask again... is it normal to gain over 60lbs in 3 months? I have not seen anything that would point one way or another so I wanted ask here and get some outside and possibly more knowledgable perspective.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    Keep weighing and measuring all of your food and recording your exercise.

    Keep going to new doctors until you find one who believes you AND figures out what is wrong.

    It gets very frustrating, when you know something is wrong with you and people keep telling you to diet and exercise. When I had a nutritionist all but call me a big, fat liar "These numbers don't make sense. If you were really eating that little, you should be losing weight." and I heard myself saying, "I know I SHOULD be losing weight. I'm starving myself and NOT losing weight. That's why I came to you people in the first place!"...it was that moment that I gave up.

    I'd been to several doctors. I told them what I thought was wrong with me. Every time, they said they ran the blood work (which was a lie of omission, they didn't run the full panel) and it was all normal and they sent me to nutritionists who told me I should be losing weight, which is the point I'd made in the beginning.

    And I was so wiped all the time.

    I finally got it fixed, but went decades having them not listen, watching the weight pile on, being more and more fatigued and getting more and more unhappy with the whole business.

    Don't be me. Never give up. Keep trying to lose, but don't believe people who say you're fine if you know something is wrong. Go to new doctors.

    Good luck.
  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    Thank you!! I was hoping someone would not skip over that part. I suppose in my efforts to give full disclosure, I didn't emphasize the weight gain enough because everyone seems to be ignoring it. Also that burger looks delicious.
  • skinnyinnotime
    skinnyinnotime Posts: 4,078 Member
    I gave up reading when I scrolled down and saw how long it was.
  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    Thank you for the consideration! your story definitely rings a familiar tone with my own. I'm really lucky to have found a doctor that humored me. (When he said he could do an endoscopy he made it clear he didnt think he was going to find anything.) I keep a picture of my inflamed stomach on my bulletin board over my desk just to remind me to not blindly taken anyones word. After I got better and went in for a follow up, he commented on how I seemed like a new person, and how laid back I was. I told him I had been trying to tell my doctors that for years.
  • BramageOMG
    BramageOMG Posts: 319 Member
    A true calorie deficit will result in weight loss up until you are skin and bones... It is impossible to maintain weight with a calories deficit over a 365 day period. Period.

    So, the only answer: You are not eating a deficit. There may be other issues which contribute to the issue.

    MPF has a great logging feature, a way to enter exercise, and even tells you what your deficit is. Its pretty awesome, check it out!!
  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    ya sorry. I knew it was going to be kind of long. thanks for trying though!
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    The weight gain is not all that shocking. You were bed ridden so your maintenance calories would be greatly reduced. You also had an infection for a long period of time. Infections cause inflammatory responses in the body and can lead to water retention. So for the period of time you thought you were maintaining your weight, it is entirely possible you were losing weight in the form of retained water at around the same speed you were putting on weight in the form of fat. We have an saying in the medical community, "If you hear hooves clicking, think horse, not zebra". Basically meaning that the obviously answer is usually the correct answer. As I said in my initial response, you could have a rare condition. It could be a zebra, but it's probably just a horse. The best way to tell is to do what I recommended in my first response. Track calories with as much consistency as humanly possible for a few months. If you do not lose weight, you have ruled out overeating. Then you need to go and see a specialist and start looking for zebras.
  • mranalli23
    mranalli23 Posts: 2 Member
    I'm a nurse and used to work in a doctor's office. We saw people all the time that wanted to lose weight. We always referred them to the typical heart association diet. Some people did fantastic. Others followed it to a T and couldn't lose a pound to save their life. I for one have seen many people do fantastic on Weight Watchers, however, I tried it for 5 weeks and followed it religiously, but couldn't lose a pound! I too was fatigued and overweight, lacked energy and enthusiasm. A friend of mine suggested to me to buy a diet book because she had many family members who tried it and above actually losing weight, more importantly, almost immediately got their energy back and felt like a new person. I did buy the book and have to admit that I am in total agreeance with this doctor's philosophy. I lost 17 pounds in 5 weeks. When I started the diet, I had to set my alarm to wake up to eat breakfast and then would go back to sleep after I ate. There's a time frame that should happen between meals. By the 3rd day I was awake before the alarm and realized after a couple days I wasn't tired anymore. This was huge for me! I'm a firm believer that there isn't one diet out there that works for everyone! Consider getting the book. You could get at library possibly. It's called Dr. Abravanel's Body Type Diet and Lifetime Nutrition Plan. And I know what you're thinking... it's not the typical Pear, Apple, etc. body type book. It's based on how you put on your weight, things you crave, to figure out which gland in your body should be most dominant. Then explains how to stimulate that gland by eating right. I can't speak highly enough about it. I had tried numerous things prior and this works! On another note, there are some things that jump out to me in your daily log. I'm betting you're a "Thyroid" body type... I am as well. If I'm right. There's some obvious changes that could be made that might help. Let me know if you get your hands on a book.... I'd be glad to help if interested. And I don't necessarily think you're overeating... it may be what you are eating. Just because you stay under the numbers in a days time... doesn't necessarily mean it was the right choice food for your body type. I hear your frustration and was there myself. There is a science to it.
  • penny0919
    penny0919 Posts: 123 Member
    You say in your original post you were BEDRIDDEN for THREE MONTHS and you are shocked you gained a lot of weight?

    You went from being an active college student to not getting out of bed.
  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    Interesting. I have long wondered if that kind of weight gain was within some sort of normal range, given the hindsight of the infection. the biggest concern was that there was generally not much info on the internet about that kind of gain (except in body building articles, but they all talk about muscle gain) and thyroid disorders. I have no problem being more meticulous about my food, I just want to see as many possibilities as possible. nothing saying I can't check for metabolism problems while counting calories. Thank you for the time and advice.
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    I'm a nurse and used to work in a doctor's office. We saw people all the time that wanted to lose weight. We always referred them to the typical heart association diet. Some people did fantastic. Others followed it to a T and couldn't lose a pound to save their life. I for one have seen many people do fantastic on Weight Watchers, however, I tried it for 5 weeks and followed it religiously, but couldn't lose a pound! I too was fatigued and overweight, lacked energy and enthusiasm. A friend of mine suggested to me to buy a diet book because she had many family members who tried it and above actually losing weight, more importantly, almost immediately got their energy back and felt like a new person. I did buy the book and have to admit that I am in total agreeance with this doctor's philosophy. I lost 17 pounds in 5 weeks. When I started the diet, I had to set my alarm to wake up to eat breakfast and then would go back to sleep after I ate. There's a time frame that should happen between meals. By the 3rd day I was awake before the alarm and realized after a couple days I wasn't tired anymore. This was huge for me! I'm a firm believer that there isn't one diet out there that works for everyone! Consider getting the book. You could get at library possibly. It's called Dr. Abravanel's Body Type Diet and Lifetime Nutrition Plan. And I know what you're thinking... it's not the typical Pear, Apple, etc. body type book. It's based on how you put on your weight, things you crave, to figure out which gland in your body should be most dominant. Then explains how to stimulate that gland by eating right. I can't speak highly enough about it. I had tried numerous things prior and this works! On another note, there are some things that jump out to me in your daily log. I'm betting you're a "Thyroid" body type... I am as well. If I'm right. There's some obvious changes that could be made that might help. Let me know if you get your hands on a book.... I'd be glad to help if interested. And I don't necessarily think you're overeating... it may be what you are eating. Just because you stay under the numbers in a days time... doesn't necessarily mean it was the right choice food for your body type. I hear your frustration and was there myself. There is a science to it.
    As a fellow nurse I can assure you that the reason previous diets failed to cause weight loss for you and why your current diet did is because the previous diets failed to put you into a caloric deficit. The current diet did. It's the law of thermodynamics. While I agree there is no 1 approach that "works" for everyone this is because of compliance. Calorie deficits work for 100% of humans, different diets just provide people with different methods of achieving the deficit. If calorie counting "doesn't work" for someone, they are doing it wrong. If they cannot stay compliant with calorie counting then I agree it "doesn't work for them", but this is simply because they cannot stick to/do it correctly. It will however work for 100% of people when executed correctly.
  • Irvic
    Irvic Posts: 17
    I was shocked by the amount of weight and inability to take it off again over years, not that I gained weight in the first place. before then I had never been above 180 and that was when I was lifting regularly in high school.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    A true calorie deficit will result in weight loss up until you are skin and bones... It is impossible to maintain weight with a calories deficit over a 365 day period. Period.

    So, the only answer: You are not eating a deficit. There may be other issues which contribute to the issue.

    MPF has a great logging feature, a way to enter exercise, and even tells you what your deficit is. Its pretty awesome, check it out!!
    When creating a deficit means eating so little that you cannot function and get dizzy, eating at a deficit starts seeming less desirable that eating. Toss in the fact that your body constantly craves food because it has no energy and the desire to eat gets a lot stronger.

    Not everyone is healthy and has a body that just burns fat if they eat an amount (say, 1000 cals a day) that most would consider a deficit. Bodies don't always work the way they're supposed to work.

    This is a lot like if someone complains that they're really tired and can't pee, and you say, "You sound dehydrated! You should drink more!" If they say they have and still can't pee, you might say, "Well, if you drink, there will be urine! That's what happens when you drink enough!" But, obviously, that doesn't always happen. If the kidney fail to do their job, no peeing.

    When things go wrong, the processes that should work don't always work.

    It's not always a matter of needing more willpower. Sometimes it's a matter of needing medication and/or surgery. THEN the eating at a deficit drops the weight.
  • NoMoreBlameGame
    NoMoreBlameGame Posts: 236 Member
    The weight gain is not all that shocking. You were bed ridden so your maintenance calories would be greatly reduced. You also had an infection for a long period of time. Infections cause inflammatory responses in the body and can lead to water retention. So for the period of time you thought you were maintaining your weight, it is entirely possible you were losing weight in the form of retained water at around the same speed you were putting on weight in the form of fat. We have an saying in the medical community, "If you hear hooves clicking, think horse, not zebra". Basically meaning that the obviously answer is usually the correct answer. As I said in my initial response, you could have a rare condition. It could be a zebra, but it's probably just a horse. The best way to tell is to do what I recommended in my first response. Track calories with as much consistency as humanly possible for a few months. If you do not lose weight, you have ruled out overeating. Then you need to go and see a specialist and start looking for zebras.

    I hope you find the answers you are seeking, OP...but the quote above from vismal makes perfect sense (to me).

    Maybe it's *NOT* you consuming too many calories...but if you have dealt with not knowing for this long...surely a couple of months with consistent tracking and logging every single thing you put in your mouth (MFP is awesome for that) will at least rule out what it *isn't* (if it isn't overconsumption).

    Knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt what it *isn't*, is one step closer to finding out what it *is*....that's all I'm saying. :smile:


    I'm not saying you're overeating...I'm not saying that and I'm not even assuming that at all. I just think you'd feel a lot better if you were able to say NO that's not it (and know for a fact you're right).