Bad foods that are "good" for weight loss
JoseCastaneda
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I borrow the title from the article I just read
I'll leave the link, and judge for yourselves: http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-bad-foods-that-are-good-for-weight-loss
What do you think?
Just about any "bad" food can be part of your weight loss plan if you stick to small enough portions. In fact, dietitians advise against banning your favorite treats. Depriving yourself of the foods you crave could set you up for failure. A better strategy is to set limits on quantity -- for example, one chocolate truffle a day -- and stick to them.
I'll leave the link, and judge for yourselves: http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-bad-foods-that-are-good-for-weight-loss
What do you think?
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You mean, watching your caloric intake to ensure you eat at a deficit while still consuming foods that you enjoy......?? Never heard of that method.0
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I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.0
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I had a dietitian to tell me the same thing. The dietitian my father saw after his heart attack a few months ago, told him as well, don't deny yourself that craving, but also, don't go overboard. Portion control, watch your caloric intake. Add exercise as well.0
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For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)
It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.0 -
I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
^ Agreed.0 -
For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)
It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
I eat those things all the time (except pasta and I drink black coffee 99% of the time).
In as much as there is such a thing as good or bad food, I would consider those things good. I don't really look at food as good or bad though. Rather, I try to put food and biology into cause and effect relationships. Wanna do something with your body? Learn the biology and nutrition and go do it.
Let's not kid ourselves. Yes, keeping calories equal, weight loss is estimably/virtually equal. However, different types of foods do have different effects on your body. Type of nutrition is important.0 -
For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)
It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
I'm sorry - those are the "bad" foods? That's my diet!:huh:0 -
For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)
It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
Did they really put nuts in the 'bad food' category?0 -
I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
^ Agreed.
Yep.
That said, I try to eat a lot of lower calories, high nutrient foods - veggies, fruit, lean protein, etc, because I get more volume for my calories. 100 calories of chicken is going to keep me feeling full longer than 100 calories of chips. But because I eat a lot of the lower calories stuff, I almost always have room for treats. I can have a full day of food and still have room for a bowl of ice cream at night. It's about finding that balance.
And, if I'm having one of those days where I want pizza for lunch and popcorn for dinner....then I do that (and make it fit in my calorie goals). No big deal. Once again, it's about balance.0 -
I eat exactly the same things I did before but 1/4th the amount.0
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I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
The calories from fried chicken and pop-tarts are not as nutritionally beneficial as calories from fruits and veggies. Calories are not just calories. You can be skinny and still be unhealthy from eating junk food.0 -
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I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
The calories from fried chicken and pop-tarts are not as nutritionally beneficial as calories from fruits and veggies. Calories are not just calories. You can be skinny and still be unhealthy from eating junk food.
This is true. I have friends that have never been overweight who are facing the same diseases as those that became overweight as they aged - hypertension, hyperlipidemia, osteoporosis, atherosclerosis, insulin resistance.
But, I'm not sure I'd put fried chicken in the same category as Pop-Tarts. One gets nearly all it's nutrition from additives, the other may be high calorie, but is still a good source of protein and fat.0 -
For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)
It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
Did they really put nuts in the 'bad food' category?
They probably meant foods people tend to give up when going on a diet because they think it will hinder their progress.0 -
The idea that a calorie is just a calorie is the one which I agree with least of all of the regularly mentioned theories on this site. It is absolutely, categorically not true. I hate to be the guy saying it but, as people are often inclined to question credentials, I am a nutritionist so I do roughly know my stuff.
As far as health goes, the body needs the right amounts of the three macronutrients to survive. That's already the argument gone. If you need 2000 calories and you get them from all carbs, you're going to have problems.
You also need you micronutrients. Again, that means the quality of yours calories will matter a lot.
So from health grounds, it's just a ridiculous idea. But on weight loss grounds, a lot of people think it works. 3500 under per week, a pound per week, shedding body fat like it's as simple as getting a haircut. It isn't. It requires your body to act exactly as you want it to.
If I go on too long then people won't read so I'll just mention one big one - refined carbs vs fibrous, slow-release kinds. Insulin is a powerful fat storer and refined carbs provoke spikes in insulin levels. Eating the wrong carbs will impinge your ability to burn fat. That's the main example among others of getting the wrong kind of carbs. 100g of carbs from oats is so, so much better than 100g of pure sugar. I hope people realise that.
On the other hand, I absolutely agree that people can eat the occasional bad food and it won't ruin their goals and it will just keep morale up. Although I do think that using recipes found online and on Youtube for what I'd call "healthy versions of unhealthy foods", you can get into a situation where you really don't feel like you're depriving yourself of anything.0 -
I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
The calories from fried chicken and pop-tarts are not as nutritionally beneficial as calories from fruits and veggies. Calories are not just calories. You can be skinny and still be unhealthy from eating junk food.
You can eat lots of "clean" foods and be unhealthy. You can eat lots of "clean" foods and still be obese.0 -
If I go on too long then people won't read so I'll just mention one big one - refined carbs vs fibrous, slow-release kinds. Insulin is a powerful fat storer and refined carbs provoke spikes in insulin levels. Eating the wrong carbs will impinge your ability to burn fat. That's the main example among others of getting the wrong kind of carbs. 100g of carbs from oats is so, so much better than 100g of pure sugar. I hope people realise that.
How many people will sit down and eat 100g of carb that are pure sugar? That's 43.5 sugar cubes. Using that argument is absolutely ridiculous.0 -
And who kws maybe people will eat fruit and vegetables the same day they eat pop tarts and chicken......I know that's far fetched just thought I'd mention it.I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
The calories from fried chicken and pop-tarts are not as nutritionally beneficial as calories from fruits and veggies. Calories are not just calories. You can be skinny and still be unhealthy from eating junk food.
You can eat lots of "clean" foods and be unhealthy. You can eat lots of "clean" foods and still be obese.
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Off the top of my head, I think there's about 40g in 335ml of regular Coke. But of course, no one ever has that in large quantities.0
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And who kws maybe people will eat fruit and vegetables the same day they eat pop tarts and chicken......I know that's far fetched just thought I'd mention it.I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.
The calories from fried chicken and pop-tarts are not as nutritionally beneficial as calories from fruits and veggies. Calories are not just calories. You can be skinny and still be unhealthy from eating junk food.
You can eat lots of "clean" foods and be unhealthy. You can eat lots of "clean" foods and still be obese.
I'm one of those "dirty" eaters. Eating pie and ice cream (don't look in the food diary, you might accidentally see fruits, vegetables and lean meats...wouldn't want to confuse people).0 -
If I go on too long then people won't read so I'll just mention one big one - refined carbs vs fibrous, slow-release kinds. Insulin is a powerful fat storer and refined carbs provoke spikes in insulin levels. Eating the wrong carbs will impinge your ability to burn fat. That's the main example among others of getting the wrong kind of carbs. 100g of carbs from oats is so, so much better than 100g of pure sugar. I hope people realise that.
How many people will sit down and eat 100g of carb that are pure sugar? That's 43.5 sugar cubes. Using that argument is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't even care to defend oliverwnc's post, but that's just terrible logic. That's not what the argument was presenting and is irrelevant. oliverwnc was presenting an all else equal juxtaposition. The number could have been 10^300 g and it wouldn't change the argument.0 -
Off the top of my head, I think there's about 40g in 335ml of regular Coke. But of course, no one ever has that in large quantities.
In order to get 100g of carbs from the sugar in Coke they'd have to drink 400 calories worth. Does it happen? Sure. Are those people counting calories? Sometimes. Are they sticking to their calories? Not usually. Could they lose weight drinking 1200 calories of Coke alone? Yes.
A calorie is a unit of energy. Do we need a balance of macronutrients? Definitely, as well as micronutrients. We can still lose if all we ate was sugar. It would impact health and how we feel, but including 200 calories worth of candy instead of oatmeal when you hit appropriate macro and micro nutrients isn't going to impact you.0 -
Yeah, what's up with that fading? I get the hivesFor those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic
the foods specifically mentioned are:
Eggs
Steak
Pork
Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
Nuts
Cheese
Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
Has to be a joke, none of those are special treats or "bad" food? That's just normal food! I don't eat eggs now, but I used to daily for months while losing weight, I eat steak and white pasta every week; pork and nuts and full fat cheese almost every day, and drink coffee all the time.0 -
Yeah ok, now we're starting to agree to some extent just in an argumentative style.
If you can hit your macros and get in your micros but you're taking in bad kinds of carbs then it's better than nothing and you can lose weight but it could be better.
As mentioned, insulin spikes have an effect on fat retention and burning and would be encouraged by refined carbs. Also, branching out to fats, your saturated fats (including trans fats) have genuinely serious negative health effects, whereas unsaturated forms are healthy.
Summary of my position:
Losing weight: you CAN do it, even if not absolutely optimally, with bad food sources.
Being healthy: limiting intake of bad foods is the only way. That doesn't mean none, it just means moderation.0 -
When someone's in a deficit no amount of insulin will cause fat storage and you might want to find out the other roles insulin plays with the body....you will be dumbfounded I'm sure. Also saturated fat do not have negative effects, and I'm assuming causing clogged arteries, that is the popular reason I'm guessing....please do some research.Yeah ok, now we're starting to agree to some extent just in an argumentative style.
If you can hit your macros and get in your micros but you're taking in bad kinds of carbs then it's better than nothing and you can lose weight but it could be better.
As mentioned, insulin spikes have an effect on fat retention and burning and would be encouraged by refined carbs. Also, branching out to fats, your saturated fats (including trans fats) have genuinely serious negative health effects, whereas unsaturated forms are healthy.
Summary of my position:
Losing weight: you CAN do it, even if not absolutely optimally, with bad food sources.
Being healthy: limiting intake of bad foods is the only way. That doesn't mean none, it just means moderation.0 -
This ^
When someone's in a deficit no amount of insulin will cause fat storage and you might want to find out the other roles insulin plays with the body....you will be dumbfounded I'm sure. Also saturated fat do not have negative effects, and I'm assuming causing clogged arteries, that is the popular reason I'm guessing....please do some research.Yeah ok, now we're starting to agree to some extent just in an argumentative style.
If you can hit your macros and get in your micros but you're taking in bad kinds of carbs then it's better than nothing and you can lose weight but it could be better.
As mentioned, insulin spikes have an effect on fat retention and burning and would be encouraged by refined carbs. Also, branching out to fats, your saturated fats (including trans fats) have genuinely serious negative health effects, whereas unsaturated forms are healthy.
Summary of my position:
Losing weight: you CAN do it, even if not absolutely optimally, with bad food sources.
Being healthy: limiting intake of bad foods is the only way. That doesn't mean none, it just means moderation.
The misunderstanding and characterization of insulin as some sort of fat storage boogeyman always makes me facepalm0 -
When someone's in a deficit no amount of insulin will cause fat storage and you might want to find out the other roles insulin plays with the body....you will be dumbfounded I'm sure. Also saturated fat do not have negative effects, and I'm assuming causing clogged arteries, that is the popular reason I'm guessing....please do some research.Yeah ok, now we're starting to agree to some extent just in an argumentative style.
If you can hit your macros and get in your micros but you're taking in bad kinds of carbs then it's better than nothing and you can lose weight but it could be better.
As mentioned, insulin spikes have an effect on fat retention and burning and would be encouraged by refined carbs. Also, branching out to fats, your saturated fats (including trans fats) have genuinely serious negative health effects, whereas unsaturated forms are healthy.
Summary of my position:
Losing weight: you CAN do it, even if not absolutely optimally, with bad food sources.
Being healthy: limiting intake of bad foods is the only way. That doesn't mean none, it just means moderation.
Yep ^^^^^^^^
two yeps in one night - I think I might be stalking you! lol0 -
I borrow the title from the article I just readJust about any "bad" food can be part of your weight loss plan if you stick to small enough portions. In fact, dietitians advise against banning your favorite treats. Depriving yourself of the foods you crave could set you up for failure. A better strategy is to set limits on quantity -- for example, one chocolate truffle a day -- and stick to them.
I'll leave the link, and judge for yourselves: http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-bad-foods-that-are-good-for-weight-loss
What do you think?
I think it's pretty much basic common sense. If you're rocking your nutrition and you have a well balanced and overall healthful diet and are meeting your nutritional requirements...what frackin' difference would it make if I have a bowl of ice cream for desert? It certainly doesn't undo the nutrition that the 6 servings of vegetables I had earlier or the couple servings of fruit gave me.
I would also add that I would never consider eggs, steak, pork, pasta, nuts, cheese, or coffee to be "bad" foods in the least. Hell, nuts are packed with some very awesome nutritional properties, and don't get me started on eggs. I eat cheese in moderation only because I used to eat about 1/4 Lb of it per day and I can easily exceed my calorie goals with cheese. I'm not sure why one would consider steak or pork to be "bad"....this is all kind of a really stupid joke.0 -
Insulin can be great stuff - allows us to actually use our energy, has incredible anabolic properties which allow us to build muscle and so on, yes, but you want to avoid peaks and troughs.
Equally, I'm really not sure why you're saying saturated fats aren't worse. Again, for performance and aesthetics maybe you're ok. For general health you are not. You won't believe anything I say so I'll defer to Havard, which sometimes knows some stuff.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Truth-about-fats.shtml
I've just been reading pages online about this trying to decide which one to send you but really you can pick any.
I'm not sure how this argument is even occurring - it is widely known information and things like aiming for unsaturated fats and slow-releasing carbs are ideas adhered to by practically every health organisation on the planet and proved by the vast majority of scientific studies (in before, yes there are some people who have different needs but I'm thinking for the majority of people).0
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