I am NOT large framed--LMAO

In science class I learnt that we all have the same frame big or small. I have actually looked this up to. There is no such thing as big boned or small boned. If you take two 5'6 Females and one is 125 and one is 200 and do an xray the bones are the same. I hate when people say that I think we just all carry our weight different.

I dunno if I agree with that. My gym buddy is the same height at 6'3 and we couldnt be any different in body type. We measure so different in the wrists, hips, ankles, shoulders. He would have maybe a 6.5" wrist whereas mine is 9.5". That sounds weird, but he is a medical professional so this stuff fascinates him.

I think this person is confusing bone size and frame size. While it is true there is no such thing as "big boned" bones are roughly the same size if we're talking diameter, the FRAME that they build can be quite different. Long legs or short legs, long arms or short arms, broad hips or narrow, broad shoulders or narrow. It's FRAME size that can impact where your goals will be as far as a healthy weight.

Also, even the estimates for frame size should be taken with a grain of salt. My wrists and feet are tiny but I have broad shoulders, a barrel for a rib cage and long legs. That, combined with a decent amount of muscle mass generally means I will always be on the higher end of BMI, no matter what size my wrists are....

For reference, I am still classified as overweight in the picture on the right. Frame size based on my wrist measurements would say that I am SMALL framed, so I should be aiming for the lower end of the BMI scale. I would have to lose an additional 25 to 40 pounds to be in the ideal weight range for someone small framed, NOT happening, the difference between the two pictures is only 33 pounds.



Interestingly, I found another calculator that uses elbow breadth, and I'm large framed according to that measurement. My body is clearly very confused! :laugh:

I believe that the weight of each person's skeleton is within a pretty small range - however, as you say, someone's frame can be very different. I am not exactly sure how this impacts weight in general as such. I have a big rib cage for example. Does that mean that I have bigger organs, tissue etc filling it up? (question not necessarily aimed at you - more rhetorical). Have not really looked into it. I also have huge man hands - but according to the link, I am on the border of medium and large framed.

However, I would think the biggest impact is muscle mass. I am 8lbs 'overweight' according to the BMI at my current weight (my avi pic was taken last week). However, I lift a lot and have a very high LBM compared to most women. Generally, the range for the BMI is not too far off - where someone may fall in that is very wide. To get to the bottom of the healthy range however, I would have to have a 0% body fat and lose about 8lb of LBM - lol.

Many people think they are 'big boned' - but often it is just a higher BF% - people often underestimate how much they have to lose/can lose. I know I did at first.

Don't mind me...just thinking out loud :happy:

The reason frame size would potentially have an impact has to do with how much space is available for muscle insertion and the length of the muscles on the frame, so yes, it is ultimately about muscle mass. I'm only a few pounds "overweight" in that picture and while I'm probably at a healthy body fat (based on scale so rough estimate) I'm still at the higher end of healthy, so I certainly still have some I could lose, but it's more in the range of 10 to 15, not 25 to 40.

The reason frame size would potentially have an impact has to do with how much space is available for muscle insertion and the length of the muscles on the frame, so yes, it is ultimately about muscle mass. I'm only a few pounds "overweight" in that picture and while I'm probably at a healthy body fat (based on scale so rough estimate) I'm still at the higher end of healthy, so I certainly still have some I could lose, but it's more in the range of 10 to 15, not 25 to 40.

So you were looking at the middle of the range with the 25 - 40? Many of us, if looking at it at all, really need to be looking at the top end of the range - at least as a guide. The mirror can usually tell us the rest.

BMI range for me is 124 to 164 so losing 25 to 40 pounds would put me in the low to mid range of BMI, which if I measured my wrists and went by what that says about my frame size is where I should be. My point is that even those frame size estimates can be questionable. I know I should NOT be aiming for the low end of BMI, I've been told as much by doctors and trainers. I have a large frame, even if my wrist size says I'm small. I was about 166 or 168 in that picture, I'm 163 now and aiming for 160. I am debating if I want to drop in to the 150's from there are just focus on lifting and recomp, but even if I decide to drop some more weight, I doubt I'll want to go below 155 and certainly not below 150.

In science class I learnt that we all have the same frame big or small. I have actually looked this up to. There is no such thing as big boned or small boned. If you take two 5'6 Females and one is 125 and one is 200 and do an xray the bones are the same. I hate when people say that I think we just all carry our weight different.

This seems wrong; no two people are exactly the same. I found an article that actually states your bones change with your weight, even!

"A recent article has also highlighted how the femoral neck width of obese people changes to accommodate the added weight. In this case the width of the femoral neck has increased to dissipate weight throughout the bony area by increasing surface area and strength through redistribution of bone. This is an example of active bone remodeling adapting to changes that the person has gone through in life."

https://thesebonesofmine.wordpress.com/category/idiosyncratic-variation/

Yes, it does mean that. A larger rib cage means bigger organs. A larger frame is larger, so there is more space for everything. More of everything. Bigger organs, more body mass, etc.

Makes sense...I mean, I am sure I do not have organs sloshing about in an empty space...just never really thought about it

Also makes sense based on the very large 'healthy range' weight. At my height there is a 40lb range.

Yes, it does mean that. A larger rib cage means bigger organs. A larger frame is larger, so there is more space for everything. More of everything. Bigger organs, more body mass, etc.

Makes sense...I mean, I am sure I do not have organs sloshing about in an empty space...just never really thought about it

Also makes sense based on the very large 'healthy range' weight. At my height there is a 40lb range.

I just saw an article about a former NFL player donating a kidney to his brother, another former NFL player. Both men were about 400 pounds the article said (obviously very large framed, tall and a big overweight). The article said that the sick guy was really lucky that he had a brother as big as him and with the right blood type because they never would have found an big enough donor otherwise, and that the healthy kidney was the largest healthy kidney he had ever seen. So yeah, bigger person = bigger organs I guess.

In science class I learnt that we all have the same frame big or small. I have actually looked this up to. There is no such thing as big boned or small boned. If you take two 5'6 Females and one is 125 and one is 200 and do an xray the bones are the same. I hate when people say that I think we just all carry our weight different.

In science class I learnt that we all have the same frame big or small. I have actually looked this up to. There is no such thing as big boned or small boned. If you take two 5'6 Females and one is 125 and one is 200 and do an xray the bones are the same. I hate when people say that I think we just all carry our weight different.

This seems wrong; no two people are exactly the same. I found an article that actually states your bones change with your weight, even!

"A recent article has also highlighted how the femoral neck width of obese people changes to accommodate the added weight. In this case the width of the femoral neck has increased to dissipate weight throughout the bony area by increasing surface area and strength through redistribution of bone. This is an example of active bone remodelling adapting to changes that the person has gone through in life."

https://thesebonesofmine.wordpress.com/category/idiosyncratic-variation/

Yes, some people definitely have larger frames. For instance, I have always had a very large frame, even before I gained weight. My wrist is about 7.5", and it doesn't have much fat on it either. My head is too big to fit most hats, bracelets never fit me, my shoe size is quite large, and even my ring size is large (though it has been decreasing )