High deficit but not losing. Help needed

LeanButNotMea & TheVirgoddess, I can appreciate the points you are making about not taking into consideration Fats, Carbs and other nutrients like that, and I do see your point in just explaining that the small meals throughout the day worked for ME and someone might want to give it a try to see if it works for them... I will take that into consideration next time I as someone if they would like to try this style of eating..

dont_tap_my_a, Get down from your high horse, your not perfect and you approached your response to my advice wrong.
Next time why not say what it is. It is a good suggestion to try different styles of eating and this may work for him, however research into the science behind the suggestion should be researched since it has changed in the past years...

You responding with -

("OMG no stop. just stop. if you are going to give advice, at least have it be in the realm of reality.

OP and anyone else reading this, please don't buy into this heavily debunked myth regarding meal timing. there is zero science behind this.")

- It seems like you were looking for confrontation. If you are going to talk that way to me why on earth should I listen to anything else you have to say to me since I am so far out from reality and have no clue whats going on!
In no way did you say that it was just the science behind it you were against, You in fact made it seem like I was a lunatic for suggesting this way of eating......

dont_tap_my_a, Get down from your high horse, your not perfect and you approached your response to my advice wrong.

oh really? i think my follow up explained it all very clearly. I never once argued that your method of eating frequently wont work or is bad/harmful. I just attacked your incorrect advice that it speeds up metabolism and then later that you attributed your continued weight loss to the fact the body no longer stores food because it knows more is coming.

that information is flat out wrong. period.

attack me personally all you want, i don't care. But if you want to give out incorrect information then be prepared for corrections

dont_tap_my_a, Get down from your high horse, your not perfect and you approached your response to my advice wrong.

oh really? i think my follow up explained it all very clearly. I never once argued that your method of eating frequently wont work or is bad/harmful. I just attacked your incorrect advice that it speeds up metabolism and then later that you attributed your continued weight loss to the fact the body no longer stores food because it knows more is coming.

that information is flat out wrong. period.

attack me personally all you want, i don't care. But if you want to give out incorrect information then be prepared for corrections

My point is you can counter information as correct or not correct without being arrogant. Oh wait, maybe you can't..
Sorry but my niceness is kept for people who don't start out attacking me!

Don't expect me to give you any respect when you attacked me as a person to try to prove your point!

You can claim you didn't attack me all you want, but telling me I am out of touch with reality is a direct attack to who I am and has nothing to do with you trying to get the facts straight!

I'm out of touch with reality on a lot of things - most of which I want people to correct me on. It's how I grow as a person. I'd much rather be corrected (even in public) than share incorrect information.

If you post something outrageously false and present it as fact, people are going to get irritated. Some of us spend a lot of time on here trying to help people and correct myths (and the behaviors born of those) like the one you posted. So it can get frustrating. He's trying to help - the more you understand about your body and how it works, the more successful you're likely to be in this health/weight loss stuff.

So try not to take it personally. He said you were wrong, and you were. Being wrong isn't inherently a bad thing.

dont_tap_my_a, Get down from your high horse, your not perfect and you approached your response to my advice wrong.

oh really? i think my follow up explained it all very clearly. I never once argued that your method of eating frequently wont work or is bad/harmful. I just attacked your incorrect advice that it speeds up metabolism and then later that you attributed your continued weight loss to the fact the body no longer stores food because it knows more is coming.

that information is flat out wrong. period.

attack me personally all you want, i don't care. But if you want to give out incorrect information then be prepared for corrections

My point is you can counter information as correct or not correct without being arrogant. Oh wait, maybe you can't..
Sorry but my niceness is kept for people who don't start out attacking me!

Don't expect me to give you any respect when you attacked me as a person to try to prove your point!

You can claim you didn't attack me all you want, but telling me I am out of touch with reality is a direct attack to who I am and has nothing to do with you trying to get the facts straight!

I attempted to be perfectly polite with you early. You responded by telling me that nothing at all would convince you otherwise. I'm not defending the tone that anyone else may or may not be using above, but can you see how telling us that nothing can change your mind makes it hard to have a conversation? Now you say that being polite might have helped. It's just a whole lot of mixed messages.

I think once things started flying off the handle everything started coming out wrong. I can and did see that you were not trying to be rude to me, and I really was not trying to be rude to you. But that is easier said then done when someone is already aggravated by someone else.

This ridiculousness has to end sometime so I'm going to end it now. I am not coming back to this board so anything you write will not be read by me.

I stated an eating style that worked for me, I used "old" science to back it up so I guess those scientist back then were in another realm of reality and should be put in straight jackets for thinking such things instead of continuing there careers...

Sorry to anyone I offended (except dont_tap_my_a who was looking for confrontation with the words he chose)...

PS. Never Forget the 'Egg Theory' and Don't believe everything you read and only half of what you see.
If the Egg Theory has proven anything, it has proven that even scientist are wrong 50% of the time... LOL

:laugh: :noway: :noway: :laugh:

(For those who missed out on the Egg Theory, I am referring to how one min eggs are good for us, then the next min they are bad for us, then good, then bad..... and so on.....)

I REALLY wish that you guys could stay ON TOPIC,this arguing back and forth looks really immature.

Definitely a typo, sorry. It was 5 weeks but 35lbs rather than 45. It sounds impossible but isn't. I went from no movement at all and basicly eating only junk food to a lot of hard work and a strict clean diet.

Building muscle isn't my priority. I can work on them once the last bit of stubborn fat is gone. But like I said, strength training IS a part of my workouts.
I might be doing too much. I definitely don't think I'm eating less than I should have - I often eat when not hungry e.g. dinner with family.
I only drink water and sometimes milk or orange juice (which I always log). I allow myself one coffee per week (medium latte).
There is no change in inches or body shape. Still waiting for that bloody six pack to start appearing!

Details that I failed to provide earlier:
Female
24yrs old
172cm/5ft 7in
67kg/ 10st 7lbs

Ill make my diary public, see if you guys think I should change something.

Holy crap on a cracker! If I could lose a pound a day for five weeks...short of hurting someone, there isn't much I wouldn't do for that.

My advice is to:

1. See the doctor, if you haven't done that. Mist the smart thing to do!
2. Eat a little less (there are only two ways to lose! Eat less and/or exercise more - and you're already arthritic)
3. Be more patient. I know you said not to say it! But it's kind of a requirement. The weight comes off when it comes off.
4. Remember that weight fluctuates - sodium will cause the scale to go up and so will coming up on a period. Don't wig.
5. See the doctor. I already said it, but it bears repeating, because the idea getting actual, sound, medical advice is so often tossed out the window without a second though. Think twice, lol.

Good luck!!

I will up my calories a bit...

If you were trying to gain weight, would you lower your calories?

Wow. Alot of arguing in this topic now. Can I just remind you all that different things work for different people before you tear into each other (and me) again.
If the amount of fat I have doesn't go down in the next 2 weeks then I am definitely going back to a no carb/high fat and protein diet.

Again, thank you everyone who didn't judge for all your advice it was really helpful.

I'm just going to drop this back off, and I didn't see anyone tear into you. I saw some bad advice debunked.....that was about it.

Just throwing it out there, this is an extremely inefficient way to look at strength training and losing body fat. When you're in a deficit you lose water, fat, and muscle. In that deficit when a progressive overload training program is implemented you work to maintain that LBM while losing mostly water and fat. By doing so, you maintain the muscle you have while stripping the fat away and thus helping to create muscle definition. The scale may not move as slow, and it's not because you're building muscle, but maintaining.

Building muscle takes hours of on point progressive overload, an on point diet (of surplus or at least maintenance), and is extremely hard.....for men. It's exponentially harder for females.

Wouldn't you want to maintain the muscle you have now rather than having to work that much harder to later? If you lost 35 lbs in 5 weeks, LBM was probably a good portion of that loss. Also, I don't see a lot of strength training in your regimen. 30DS is a solid program, but it's as much cardio as it is strength....if not more.

Wow. Alot of arguing in this topic now. Can I just remind you all that different things work for different people before you tear into each other (and me) again.
If the amount of fat I have doesn't go down in the next 2 weeks then I am definitely going back to a no carb/high fat and protein diet.

Again, thank you everyone who didn't judge for all your advice it was really helpful.

Let start from the beginning.

Take a week off exercise. Maintain your 1500 calories (or eat more, what is your BMR and TDEE?). Your body might just need some time to recuperate.

I agree with this.

I also think you are eating too low with all the activity you have going on. I'm 47 and 5'4 and my BMR is 1600. You are most likely eating below your BMR AND moving all day. Your body is not getting the nutrients it needs, and is therefore probably being resistant. Ease up, don't try so hard. Take a few days off of exercise, or lighten up the exercise. I would even daresay raise your calories by 100-200 per day for a week and see what happens.

Wow. Alot of arguing in this topic now. Can I just remind you all that different things work for different people before you tear into each other (and me) again.
If the amount of fat I have doesn't go down in the next 2 weeks then I am definitely going back to a no carb/high fat and protein diet.

Again, thank you everyone who didn't judge for all your advice it was really helpful.

Yes, everybody is different as to their dietary needs, but weight loss comes down to only one thing--calories in/calories out. That is the only to lose weight. It's how you get there that is individual.

Really, with some of your statements in this conversation, including your self-ultimatum above, I really think that you need to speak to a professional. You relationship with food and exercise does not sound healthy, which can lead down an eating disordered road. I know, I've been there.

Finally, nobody is judging you. They are telling you the simple truth when it comes to calories in/calories out and their own experience. Thanking people who you perceive as judging you IS in turn judging people who gave you advice you simply don't like.

Wow, judging from your responses to people you really haven't learned much in your two (almost three) years here at MFP, have you?

I REALLY wish that you guys could stay ON TOPIC,this arguing back and forth looks really immature.

I'm not sure which people you're referring to, but I suspect that I'm one of them. Generally speaking, this isn't a board that suffers misinformation and bad science well. That sort of thing doesn't help anyone and it's going to be called out when it happens. I notice that your own comment isn't particularly on-topic either, but feel free to keep labeling people immature instead of offering any real advice.

You just proved her point

And now, so have you.

Which proves the point that threads are derailed all the time. There's not any reason to chastise people and demand they return to said topic (and while doing so call *them* immature - I mean really). It's pretty hypocritical.