540lb man starting LCHF lifestyle. Yes or no?
PhatAndy
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Hi there,
Iv'e finally been suckered into trying a keto type lifestyle. It seems to work for EVERYONE I have ever met and the results are outstanding.
Here's my dilemma. It just doesn't sound logical!! a 540lb man filling his artery's with saturated high amounts of fat? No longer able to eat lentils and split peas and quinoa but instead focusing on eggs, mayonnaise, cream cheese etc? Living In Canada it is extremely hard to get a doctor. I have been on a 15 year wait list so I don't really have any professional help.
What are your specific thoughts on a LCHF lifestyle (Low carb high fat) and do you think someone at my size really should try something like this?
Iv'e finally been suckered into trying a keto type lifestyle. It seems to work for EVERYONE I have ever met and the results are outstanding.
Here's my dilemma. It just doesn't sound logical!! a 540lb man filling his artery's with saturated high amounts of fat? No longer able to eat lentils and split peas and quinoa but instead focusing on eggs, mayonnaise, cream cheese etc? Living In Canada it is extremely hard to get a doctor. I have been on a 15 year wait list so I don't really have any professional help.
What are your specific thoughts on a LCHF lifestyle (Low carb high fat) and do you think someone at my size really should try something like this?
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I don't know enough about Keto to say yes or no. However, I will say if you are that worried about it or think it may be a problem due to your current health state then just try starting with calories in vs calories out. I have been doing that the last three years and it is what has worked for me. I do try to stay "lower Carb" due to my health issues but not low enough to be in Keto. I know there are a lot of other people on this site who follow Keto and can probably give you great information0
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I also don't know enough about leto -- or unique health risks associated with someone your size going on such a diet -- however, I'm generally an "eat everything" kind of person. I do tend to avoid starches and simple carbs, but mostly because I find I'm more satisfied by eating a TON of veggies instead. I agree with the above recommendation to focus on calories in/calories out, regardless of what they're from.0
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Andy,
What's going to work for you is whatever diet you can adhere to long term. I would suggest logging your food accurately and honestly on here. Don't go crazy restricting what you can and can't have focus on the calories for right now.
I know for myself if I made drastic changes as I have tried in the past I lasted on them for 3 days to a month if I was really dedicated, after that I started struggling cause I was constantly thinking about what I told myself I couldn't have.
This time around I have put no restrictions on what I can eat, well there is one, I refuse to eat anything I don't truly enjoy. I try to make it fit into my day, some days are better than others. Remember it's about consistency, not one good or bad day (I'm over today by about 600 or so calories, but it's okay just means I ate near maintenance for the day)
Good luck to you Andy0 -
If you want to eat this lifestyle for ever then go ahead. If it's not something you see yourself doing forever, then don't do it. Weight loss is entirely about a caloric deficit, and you can reach one with whatever macro breakdown you'd like that works for your unique needs/body/goals.0
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All I can tell you is that I have been LCHF since May of this year. Dropped over 60 pounds so far. Cholesterol is 108. Triglycerides are 54. Blood pressure perfect. Have enjoyed going of all diabetes meds. Feel great. Hardly any craving issues. But I also bike ALOT.....and I mean ALOT. Hope that helps answer some questions. BTW.....those are the best lab results I have had in over 30 years. Who would have thought or could eat butter, heavy cream, steak, ribs, cream cheese, eggs....... and not have cholesterol issues???0
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All I can tell you is that I have been LCHF since May of this year. Dropped over 60 pounds so far. Cholesterol is 108. Triglycerides are 54. Blood pressure perfect. Have enjoyed going of all diabetes meds. Feel great. Hardly any craving issues. But I also bike ALOT.....and I mean ALOT. Hope that helps answer some questions. BTW.....those are the best lab results I have had in over 30 years. Who would have thought or could eat butter, heavy cream, steak, ribs, cream cheese, eggs....... and not have cholesterol issues???
AMAZING! Truly inspiring, This is the kind of info I am looking for, either pro or con for LCHF!0 -
No idea if this WOE is for you as each person and individual is different but i have been following/reading Atkins (DANDR 2002) for just over 13 months while using MFP for logging and very happy with my progress physically, emotionally and medically.
08/27/2013 i was @ 432lbs
today i am at 221lbs.
Good luck and best wishes in your WOE.0 -
It all boils down to the method that will allow you to meet your body's nutrient requirements while properly fueling your workouts and other areas of your life while losing weight at a healthy rate over the long run. Personally, the less restrictions the better for me but you have to select the method that best works for you even if it means going through trial and error.0
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Andy,
What's going to work for you is whatever diet you can adhere to long term. I would suggest logging your food accurately and honestly on here. Don't go crazy restricting what you can and can't have focus on the calories for right now.
I know for myself if I made drastic changes as I have tried in the past I lasted on them for 3 days to a month if I was really dedicated, after that I started struggling cause I was constantly thinking about what I told myself I couldn't have.
This time around I have put no restrictions on what I can eat, well there is one, I refuse to eat anything I don't truly enjoy. I try to make it fit into my day, some days are better than others. Remember it's about consistency, not one good or bad day (I'm over today by about 600 or so calories, but it's okay just means I ate near maintenance for the day)
Good luck to you Andy
This is good advice. Once you are truly committed to getting healthy in all ways - you will make it work. Best of luck!0 -
Andy,
What's going to work for you is whatever diet you can adhere to long term. I would suggest logging your food accurately and honestly on here. Don't go crazy restricting what you can and can't have focus on the calories for right now.
I know for myself if I made drastic changes as I have tried in the past I lasted on them for 3 days to a month if I was really dedicated, after that I started struggling cause I was constantly thinking about what I told myself I couldn't have.
This time around I have put no restrictions on what I can eat, well there is one, I refuse to eat anything I don't truly enjoy. I try to make it fit into my day, some days are better than others. Remember it's about consistency, not one good or bad day (I'm over today by about 600 or so calories, but it's okay just means I ate near maintenance for the day)
Good luck to you Andy
This is good advice. Once you are truly committed to getting healthy in all ways - you will make it work. Best of luck!
All of This......... QFT.......0 -
Any diet that will help you keep in a deficit will allow you to lose weight. I personally don't think keto is that much better or worse than any other 'diet'; I don't cut any foods from my diet. I just eat smaller portions.0
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Look. This diet works simply because it makes you eat less. No special magic there. It works REALLY well if you're the kind who likes fat and does not care for carbs too much. If you like your carbs you will be miserable. The key of any diet is to b e something that you can do long term, else you will quit halfway feeling defeated. If you like your split peas, normal calorie counting may be a better option for you.0
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I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.0 -
Look. This diet works simply because it makes you eat less. No special magic there. It works REALLY well if you're the kind who likes fat and does not care for carbs too much. If you like your carbs you will be miserable. The key of any diet is to b e something that you can do long term, else you will quit halfway feeling defeated. If you like your split peas, normal calorie counting may be a better option for you.
Haha its not that I like them, I hate peas and quinoa and all that stuff. But that is what we are brainwashed by pop culture to eat to be healthy. I think I would be a lot happier on the Keto diet and find it way easier to maintain.0 -
Look. This diet works simply because it makes you eat less. No special magic there. It works REALLY well if you're the kind who likes fat and does not care for carbs too much. If you like your carbs you will be miserable. The key of any diet is to b e something that you can do long term, else you will quit halfway feeling defeated. If you like your split peas, normal calorie counting may be a better option for you.
Haha its not that I like them, I hate peas and quinoa and all that stuff. But that is what we are brainwashed by pop culture to eat to be healthy. I think I would be a lot happier on the Keto diet and find it way easier to maintain.
Then by all means go for it! I wish you the best of luck. If somewhere along the way you feel like you aren't making any more progress, you may want to count calories as well basically arriving at a combination of both. Health-wise, you should be fine. Low carb diets are no better or worse when it comes to heart health. The weight reduction alone will give you a better blood panel and lowered cholesterol, so don't fuss about saturated fat and the like. Just focus on your progress while keeping an eye on your health with regular check ups to see if you need anything supplemented or dealt with.0 -
If you want to eat this lifestyle for ever then go ahead. If it's not something you see yourself doing forever, then don't do it. Weight loss is entirely about a caloric deficit, and you can reach one with whatever macro breakdown you'd like that works for your unique needs/body/goals.0
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Look. This diet works simply because it makes you eat less. No special magic there. It works REALLY well if you're the kind who likes fat and does not care for carbs too much. If you like your carbs you will be miserable. The key of any diet is to b e something that you can do long term, else you will quit halfway feeling defeated. If you like your split peas, normal calorie counting may be a better option for you.
Haha its not that I like them, I hate peas and quinoa and all that stuff. But that is what we are brainwashed by pop culture to eat to be healthy. I think I would be a lot happier on the Keto diet and find it way easier to maintain.
So... why bother posting if your mind seems to already be made up? If this is a gimmick you can sustain for life, then go for it. You've been here for almost 3 years, so I kinda wonder about how this will go when compared to simple calorie counting, exercise, and hitting macros. Good luck.0 -
Andy: you've got some decisions to make, clearly. And, you can always change your decision. But congrats on making the commitment to get healthy!0
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I don't know anything about that diet...and I'm not a man...BUT you weigh well over twice what I weigh...and my doctor told me to lay off the animal fats entirely, exercise, and lose weight for my heart. I have mild high blood pressure and that's it -- I'm otherwise healthy. I have a feeling she (my doctor) would not like you to eat all this fat. Having said that, whatever you do, I would slowly incorporate exercise in your lifestyle. I think that would really help your health. Good luck to you!!0
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If you want to eat this lifestyle for ever then go ahead. If it's not something you see yourself doing forever, then don't do it. Weight loss is entirely about a caloric deficit, and you can reach one with whatever macro breakdown you'd like that works for your unique needs/body/goals.
In the context of most discussions of this nature, first there a "mini forever" - the length of time it will take you to lose the weight. Sensationalized weight loss shows, which I do love (Chris Powell, anyone?) like to show participants dropping all the lbs in three months or one year. For most of us, it could take much longer. So when we say can you do this forever, we sometimes mean not as a quick two week fix or however long you've lasted on previous "diets" but rather truly for the long haul
The other kind is the real forever. So now you're done with "keto" or insert other diet here. How do you maintain your weight? How will you eat? Have you Learned what it truly takes to maintain this body size? Therefore the question is asked, if keto is not what you plan on doing long term and even in maintenance to think properly as to whether that's going to be your chosen path to weight loss0 -
Look. This diet works simply because it makes you eat less. No special magic there. It works REALLY well if you're the kind who likes fat and does not care for carbs too much. If you like your carbs you will be miserable. The key of any diet is to b e something that you can do long term, else you will quit halfway feeling defeated. If you like your split peas, normal calorie counting may be a better option for you.
Haha its not that I like them, I hate peas and quinoa and all that stuff. But that is what we are brainwashed by pop culture to eat to be healthy. I think I would be a lot happier on the Keto diet and find it way easier to maintain.
So... why bother posting if your mind seems to already be made up? If this is a gimmick you can sustain for life, then go for it. You've been here for almost 3 years, so I kinda wonder about how this will go when compared to simple calorie counting, exercise, and hitting macros. Good luck.
Because clearly calorie counting hasnt been working for me. If you read my other comment, less in More out is a crock in my situation. Do you understand how much I need to eat in a day to actually lose weight? its very hard.
I forgot, just because I registered here 3 years ago doesn't mean Iv'e slipped up and gave up on my weight loss for 2 years. Just because I fell down doesn't mean I can't get back up and try again. If you are going to be so passive aggressive and negative why bother commenting? I'm looking for help not to be attacked.0 -
I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
So Basically for a period of say, six weeks, you consumed and logged an average of about 1400 liquid and solid calories each day and did not lose weight?0 -
You'll still have to be in a deficit for keto (or any named diet) to work.0
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I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
Are you saying that you are eating 1300 - 1400 calories per day now, and not losing weight? It looks like you've logged 2 meals in your diary.... ever. Please clarify this 1300 - 1400 thing, first.
I was gonna disagree with the others and say that I wouldn't be recommending you doing something as 'radical' as Atkins, without medical advice. But, I was also gonna page CyberEd for his thoughts, and he's already 'weighed in' and said he thinks it''s OK. My advice would be to find a dietitian at the very least, to talk to, before taking on Atkins. However, the majority here, seem to think you're fine to just go for it. I can't believe you've been on a waiting list for a Dr for 15 years.
And I don't think you fully understand the principal of losing weight. You do not have to eat those numbers to lose weight. Eating less should cause you to lose weight faster. It may not be safe to lose that fast, but it should cause you to lose faster. It wouldn't cause you to NOT lose weight.0 -
I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
So Basically for a period of say, six weeks, you consumed and logged an average of about 1400 liquid and solid calories each day and did not lose weight?
You are correct. Going from eating Extremely high calorie foods like a box of 40 mini chocolate bars a day to incorporating veggies into my diet etc I CAN NOT break over 1400 or so calories without feeling absolutely full.0 -
I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
Are you saying that you are eating 1300 - 1400 calories per day now, and not losing weight? It looks like you've logged 2 meals in your diary.... ever. Please clarify this 1300 - 1400 thing, first.
I was gonna disagree with the others and say that I wouldn't be recommending you doing something as 'radical' as Atkins, without medical advice. But, I was also gonna page CyberEd for his thoughts, and he's already 'weighed in' and said he thinks it''s OK. My advice would be to find a dietitian at the very least, to talk to, before taking on Atkins. However, the majority here, seem to think you're fine to just go for it. I can't believe you've been on a waiting list for a Dr for 15 years.
And I don't think you fully understand the principal of losing weight. You do not have to eat those numbers to lose weight. Eating less should cause you to lose weight faster. It may not be safe to lose that fast, but it should cause you to lose faster. It wouldn't cause you to NOT lose weight.
Why is everyone so passive aggressive? Why am I being attacked?.. Just because I don't use MFP daily doesn't mean im not on other websites logging my stuff? weightwatchers.ca
Yes, as HARD as it is to believe I got fat by eating nothing but Sausage and chocolate every day, 6000 Calories worth of chocolate bars is like 15 chocolate bars, ITS NOT MUCH FOOD. So is it THAT hard to believe that with my new lifestyle of healthy foods I can barely crack 1400 calories? When veggies have barely any calories and fill me up? Come on.0 -
Any sensible plan you choose will work if you follow the plan consistently and patiently; if it takes logging, log honestly and accurately; if it takes eliminating food grups or other rules, follow the rules.0
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I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
Never mind.0 -
If you want to eat this lifestyle for ever then go ahead. If it's not something you see yourself doing forever, then don't do it. Weight loss is entirely about a caloric deficit, and you can reach one with whatever macro breakdown you'd like that works for your unique needs/body/goals.
In the context of most discussions of this nature, first there a "mini forever" - the length of time it will take you to lose the weight. Sensationalized weight loss shows, which I do love (Chris Powell, anyone?) like to show participants dropping all the lbs in three months or one year. For most of us, it could take much longer. So when we say can you do this forever, we sometimes mean not as a quick two week fix or however long you've lasted on previous "diets" but rather truly for the long haul
The other kind is the real forever. So now you're done with "keto" or insert other diet here. How do you maintain your weight? How will you eat? Have you Learned what it truly takes to maintain this body size? Therefore the question is asked, if keto is not what you plan on doing long term and even in maintenance to think properly as to whether that's going to be your chosen path to weight loss
The same question should be asked of every one who signs up with this site and starts calorie counting. Yet the discussion of "forever" only seems to come up with LCHF.
One could go on a keto or any other diet (including MFP), and begin learning about food, nutrition, their relationship with food.... and then transition to something else. To continue losing, or to maintain a caloric balance.
Yet whenever someone says "I'm going low carb" they get "can you do it forever".
Not when someone says: "I'm going to count calories and weigh and measure everything". No one chimes in and says "Are you prepared to do that forever".
I've been maintaining now for about 13 years. That's a kind of forever, I guess.
I began losing weight, and in the process I learned how to eat to fuel my body in a way that work(ed) for me. And as I'm aging, I'm modifying that (which is the right thing to do).
I'm not successful because of the particular approach I used. I'm successful because I learned how to eat to maintain. and I am vigilant, (and it helps that I'm active).0 -
I should probably explain somthing because a lot of you keep bringing up this "Less in more out" mentality. That is exactly why I have been GAINING weight.
At my size to lose weight I need to be eating around 3800+ Calories a day. 6700 or so to maintain (This is based on about 22 different BMI/Weight calculators on multiple websites) The reason I am not LOSING weight is because I'm not eating NEARLY Enough during the day. So your theory fails for someone of my size.
I can only handle about 1300-1400 calories a day. I can't eat more than that because I feel way too full.
Wait a minute. You have me very confused. You honestly claim you are eating less than 1400 calories a day, are not losing and are too full? I'm sorry, that just doesn't seem possible. How did you get to your current weight then?
Ugh.. Need I really explain? CHOCOLATE. Lots and lots of chocolate and chips.
Like a 2 litre of pop, 2 large bags of chips and multiple chocolate bars. all I ever ate.0
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