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So I am starting to work some supplements into my diet - i ate the same things pretty much every day so i want to make sure i am getting all the goods.

I am adding Spirulina powder to my breakfast now - given that it is awesome. I don't eat red me so I am wondering if I need a further iron supplement of some kind?

Also I have problems with my lower back and knees so I am thinking Flaxseed oil to help with this (as well as the millions of other awesome things it does)

Any other thoughts (or thoughts on the above as well!) My diary is public if anyone wants to see anything else I might be glaringly missing!

Also you hear a lot of bad press about supplements that don't actually do anything - can any one reccommend some good brands?

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  • RaeannePemberton
    RaeannePemberton Posts: 382 Member
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    i used to take lots of supplements but recently removed them one i started taking a product that had the "whole foods" version of most everything i was taking... there are much better ways to get those nutrients if you look at what's out there.
  • asj0901
    asj0901 Posts: 141
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    i used to take lots of supplements but recently removed them one i started taking a product that had the "whole foods" version of most everything i was taking... there are much better ways to get those nutrients if you look at what's out there.
    What are you taking now. I am intrested in these responses because I take multiple supplements and to be honest they smell weird and it turns my stomach.... I know I am a weenie, but I would love to know what you are taking with the "whole foods" version.
    Thanks
    Aimee:smile:
  • asj0901
    asj0901 Posts: 141
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    So I am starting to work some supplements into my diet - i ate the same things pretty much every day so i want to make sure i am getting all the goods.

    I am adding Spirulina powder to my breakfast now - given that it is awesome. I don't eat red me so I am wondering if I need a further iron supplement of some kind?

    Also I have problems with my lower back and knees so I am thinking Flaxseed oil to help with this (as well as the millions of other awesome things it does)

    Any other thoughts (or thoughts on the above as well!) My diary is public if anyone wants to see anything else I might be glaringly missing!

    Also you hear a lot of bad press about supplements that don't actually do anything - can any one reccommend some good brands?

    Where do you purchase your spriulina powder. I buy supplements at trader joes, but havent found the powder.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
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    I have taken tablet spirulina before but didn't really notice any difference. (my mates recommended it)

    I would recommend some sort of Multi and fish oil. I use to take just 3 capsules a day, then added 5ml liquid stuff (equivalent to 10 caps) and now I have another 5ml in the morning. This is for about 2 weeks now and it certainly feels like my sore knee is "gliding" a bit better. possible placebo but how can you tell? :P

    My physio said there is a whole lot more good research for fish oil rather than glucosamine for joints also.

    Any history of broken bones or anything? I also take calcium supplement (which i probably don't need with the amount of diary I eat) but I still do for some reason :P
  • jeronz
    jeronz Posts: 9
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    Be careful with supplements as you can easily go into the area of alternative/un-proven rather than evidence based medicine. Here is a mainstream scientific view.

    Glucosamine/chondroitin: The best clinical studies show no improvement in pain taking glucosamine/chondroitin compared to placebo. In fact, uptake studies show that none of the glucosamine or chondroitin is even taken up into the joints (it's digested in your gut). The reason it's not subsidised as a medicine in countries with socialised medical care like NZ is that it doesn't work. It's safe to take but just be aware of these points.

    Flaxseed oil: Great if you're struggling to get enough fat into your diet and would like a boost that is low in saturated fat. But be careful, there is a lot of calories in it as it is pure fat.

    Multivitamins: Normally not needed if you have a balanced diet. However, if you are on a calorie defecit and are eating a lot of nutritionally void food like protein powder then it's not unreasonable to take one.

    Calcium: Extra calcium can be dangerous (atherosclerosis) if you already get enough in your diet.

    Fish oil: It may have some anti-inflammatory effects but the studies are still in early days (compare with paracetamol and NSAIDs which are very very proven and much cheaper). If you're getting joint pain in your 20s then you need to figure out why not just treat the symptoms (e.g. are you running too frequently?). If you get acute rather than chronic joint pain the best thing you can do is stay active is normally gets better on its own in 3-6 months.

    Spirulina: why not, lots of protein.
  • nevergonnagiveup
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    I don't take supplements, vegan (except for honey) and, as I donate blood every 3 months, my iron is checked as part of the procedure. My count is always above average (147/8). I am in my 40's, have 3 vegan, healthy kids who have never eaten animal product. Are we a sickly anaemic looking family? No! We don't get sick; not even colds. My family or participate in martial arts 3x week, plus we all run (endurance is my choice of running) I say this to show you don't need supplements not to boast. I also have a physical, including blood work every 2 years so my B12. calcium (bone density) etc... is also a healthy level. Most supplements are 'peed' out as nothing beats nutritional food. We do eat 'junk food' occasionally (how else would I get to this site :D) but mostly we eat lots of fresh greens, fruits, nuts, seeds, legumes and vegies (including sea vegetables). Eating flax seed, chia, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds plus green leafy vegetables will give you more than enough EFAs rather than taking supplements. Your liver will love you too! Consider incorporating these foods into your current diet. They are a healthier choice as well as a cheaper option in the long run.
  • jeronz
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    Oh forgot to answer question about iron. Women can easily get iron deficient for obvious reasons especially if one has heavy drawn out periods. If you're concerned then go to your GP and get a blood test. Being on a calorie defecit and being female is probably almost reason enough to get your haemoglobin (tells you if you're anaemic) and ferritin (iron levels) checked.

    Iron supplements as tablets are the worst way to get extra iron because they are absorbed very poorly in the gut. To get enough iron through supplements you need to get prescription strength iron (ferrogradumet) which is 300mg+ and gives you nasty side effects like constipation, bloating, abdominal pain and black stool. The iron supplements at chemists etc do not have nearly enough iron in them to have any real effect on your haemoglobin and ferritin levels so save your money.

    btw I am a final year medical student.
  • fromaquasar
    fromaquasar Posts: 811 Member
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    I have taken tablet spirulina before but didn't really notice any difference. (my mates recommended it)

    I would recommend some sort of Multi and fish oil. I use to take just 3 capsules a day, then added 5ml liquid stuff (equivalent to 10 caps) and now I have another 5ml in the morning. This is for about 2 weeks now and it certainly feels like my sore knee is "gliding" a bit better. possible placebo but how can you tell? :P

    My physio said there is a whole lot more good research for fish oil rather than glucosamine for joints also.

    Any history of broken bones or anything? I also take calcium supplement (which i probably don't need with the amount of diary I eat) but I still do for some reason :P

    Yeah I have heard that about glucosamine as well and Jeronz is backing it up below so def fish oil I think (it just tastes so gross!)

    No broken bones, I am 100 percent original (minus the missing appendix :P) Plus I do have a lot of whole milk and yoghurt so hopefully am good on calcium :P
  • fromaquasar
    fromaquasar Posts: 811 Member
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    I don't take supplements, vegan (except for honey) and, as I donate blood every 3 months, my iron is checked as part of the procedure. My count is always above average (147/8). I am in my 40's, have 3 vegan, healthy kids who have never eaten animal product. Are we a sickly anaemic looking family? No! We don't get sick; not even colds. My family or participate in martial arts 3x week, plus we all run (endurance is my choice of running) I say this to show you don't need supplements not to boast. I also have a physical, including blood work every 2 years so my B12. calcium (bone density) etc... is also a healthy level. Most supplements are 'peed' out as nothing beats nutritional food. We do eat 'junk food' occasionally (how else would I get to this site :D) but mostly we eat lots of fresh greens, fruits, nuts, seeds, legumes and vegies (including sea vegetables). Eating flax seed, chia, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds plus green leafy vegetables will give you more than enough EFAs rather than taking supplements. Your liver will love you too! Consider incorporating these foods into your current diet. They are a healthier choice as well as a cheaper option in the long run.

    Definitely agree nothing beats nutritious food - and I definitely don't want to be wasting money on supplements that aren't helping me. My issue with the "if you eat a good diet you shouldnt need supplements" is: Back when we were cave people we were eating twice as many calories as we are today - how can I possibly be getting all the nutrients I need from 1200 calories - I eat clean 90% of the time, I just don't eat enough food or enough different types of food - I get what you are saying though and I will definitely look at incorporating more of the suggested things into my diet :)