No Meat.....No Problem
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*hi five* on the no meat
I'm a pescartarian totally out of choice For the first three months I was seriously ill so just be careful as I just jumped in the deep end and cut meat totally out my life. I've been a pesc for a year and a vege for two so keep at it 
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I was a vegetarian most of my life, my daughter is still. Grilled Eggplant is amazing.
There are lots of resources on the web about how to get your protein and other nutrients through veggies only.
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Oh - I just am amazed at how many people (both here and in real life) give advice based on nothing but what they heard in passing on a TV show 8 years ago (or whatever the source). There are some really excellent studies and books put together with sources sited that we can all easily research with the internet now.
Personally, what I do doesn't matter - although I've found something that works for my goals, what I'm saying to (not just you - but all) people is - do the research! Read up on this stuff!
Not only is reading up on it interesting and helpful, but it keeps you motivated. It's hard to jam a doughnut in your mouth when you're half way through reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories".
I have clients all over that make declarations like, "I'm not going to eat red meat anymore!" based on just that they think it's healthy. However, through 3 years of study, I can't seem to find a single current study that shows it is bad. Some of my friends are vegan because they fundamentally don't believe in eating animal product - I applaud them for that choice! That's fantastic!
My advice to my personal training clients is always the same. Before you swear off red meat/chicken/fat/protein or whatever they claim is bad for you - swear off missing a day of exercise and swear off that cheat cookie. It'll go a lot further!
Some reading examples that I like - I'm sure other people will disagree - again, I'm not saying do each one - Just to learn about it!
The Anabolic Diet
The Primal Blueprint
The New Atkins Revolution - which has a vegetarian section in each chapter now
Protein Power
The Zone Diet (33/33/33)
Good Calories, Bad Calories
All good stuff and worth the read.
Steve
KnightFit.com
The American Heart Association recommends that you eat red mean sparingly. I trained with a personal trainer for 4 yrs/4x's a week and he thought being a smart well balanced vegetarian were the healthiest clients he had.0 -
Oh - I just am amazed at how many people (both here and in real life) give advice based on nothing but what they heard in passing on a TV show 8 years ago (or whatever the source). There are some really excellent studies and books put together with sources sited that we can all easily research with the internet now.
Personally, what I do doesn't matter - although I've found something that works for my goals, what I'm saying to (not just you - but all) people is - do the research! Read up on this stuff!
Not only is reading up on it interesting and helpful, but it keeps you motivated. It's hard to jam a doughnut in your mouth when you're half way through reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories".
I have clients all over that make declarations like, "I'm not going to eat red meat anymore!" based on just that they think it's healthy. However, through 3 years of study, I can't seem to find a single current study that shows it is bad. Some of my friends are vegan because they fundamentally don't believe in eating animal product - I applaud them for that choice! That's fantastic!
My advice to my personal training clients is always the same. Before you swear off red meat/chicken/fat/protein or whatever they claim is bad for you - swear off missing a day of exercise and swear off that cheat cookie. It'll go a lot further!
Some reading examples that I like - I'm sure other people will disagree - again, I'm not saying do each one - Just to learn about it!
The Anabolic Diet
The Primal Blueprint
The New Atkins Revolution - which has a vegetarian section in each chapter now
Protein Power
The Zone Diet (33/33/33)
Good Calories, Bad Calories
All good stuff and worth the read.
Steve
KnightFit.com
there are a few things you forgot to mention. all human beings have certain traits. we have strong vision with eyes in the front of our heads, we have sharp pointed teeth, we have claws, and we walk upright. all of these are biological traits of predators. when considering changes in diet this is a factor.
for day to day you can get all that is necessary from vegetation, depending on how strict you get with animal by-products (eggs, milk, cheese, and the like) even then as little as the occasional fish can make a big difference. a vegetarian diet can be very healthy but animal based proteins are not easily replaced entirely it requires careful consideration and usually supplementation even then it is very difficult to truly satisfy the body.0 -
Will have to disagree here, as a vegan (no meat, fish, dairy or eggs).
there are a few things you forgot to mention. all human beings have certain traits. we have strong vision with eyes in the front of our heads, we have sharp pointed teeth, we have claws, and we walk upright. all of these are biological traits of predators. when considering changes in diet this is a factor.
for day to day you can get all that is necessary from vegetation, depending on how strict you get with animal by-products (eggs, milk, cheese, and the like) even then as little as the occasional fish can make a big difference. a vegetarian diet can be very healthy but animal based proteins are not easily replaced entirely it requires careful consideration and usually supplementation even then it is very difficult to truly satisfy the body.
Gorillas have the same broad traits you mention humans have, they eat plant products almost exclusively.
As for what I need, as a vegan, I can get without much drama from non animal sources. Vitamin B12 is probably the most difficult to get, but I get that from malt extracts (yeast) if I do not want to take a vitamin supplement. B12 is made exclusively by microbes.
Amino acids (the 8 humans can not synthesize) I get from different plants (legumes, nuts, seed sprouts).
Omega fatty acids I get from nuts and flax.
It is not hard, I do not crave for meats, I am not undernourished or ill
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Just curious - but why are you going meatless? There is a lot of misinformation out there.
This kind of misinformation? Interview with Kathy Freston author of "Veganist"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-elam/kathy-freston-veganist-oprah-vegan-challenge_b_819371.html
Below are some excerpts from article
But it's not just Kathy. In its new Dietary Guidelines, the USDA talks up vegetables: "Vegetarian-style eating patterns have been associated with improved health outcomes, lower levels of obesity, reduce risk of cardiovascular disease and lower mortality." I thought it would be a great time to check in with Kathy about what this means for the American diet.
Substantial peer reviewed studies indicate that some cancers are not only halted but can be reversed by a plant-based diet. That's very exciting. But even more accepted is the fact that heart disease can be halted and reversed by a vegan diet. And type 2 diabetes can be reversed in a matter of weeks. You can get off your medication, under a doctor's supervision of course.
Weight begins to drop after just 1 week on a vegan diet. Your thermogenic levels go up after 3 weeks, which means you're getting a 16% higher calorie burn after eating a vegan versus a meat-based diet. Plus of course you're getting the fiber -- so you won't feel the need to overeat. Plus there's no saturated fat in vegetables. There are just so many health benefits to a veggie-based diet.
CE: Do you consider the environmental effects?
KF: Absolutely. It's a complex issue, but to put it briefly: raising animals for food is the primary cause of: land degradation, air pollution, water shortage and climate change. If we care about the planet, then eating vegan is an excellent step we can all take.
So there are plenty of reasons to not eat meat. I do eat meat but I would never challenge any one's right NOT to. My brother, my niece and my daughter are all vegetarian - although not vegan. I have become much more selective about what meat I buy - I will never buy those cheap frozen chicken breasts. I pretty only buy meat from the butcher's case that comes from well cared for animals that aren't fed antibiotics. I am going to start ordering meat from a local co-op that offers grass fed beef and free range chicken.
IF you are smart about it, you can eat a vegetarian/vegan diet and still get all your protein and other nutrients. My daughter is thin and strong (she can even left up her 200 pound football player boyfriend!) I would love to have her arm and stomach muscle definition. She hasn't eaten meat for 5 years.
So anyways kudos to the original poster for trying meat free and perhaps lessening the amount of meat consumed overall in the future. As I said I do still eat it but last week when I had beef for 4 meals in 3 days I could tell - I was swollen and had stomach problems I hadn't had in a long time. I now really know I need to limit how much beef I eat (perhaps to once a week) and stick to chicken, seafood and non-meat proteins for remainder of my meals.0 -
the thing with vegetarians being healthier is not necessarily because they dont eat meat. Vegetarians are generally more health conscious. So it could be all the other stuff they consume that is the real advantage.
The best comparison would be to have two people with the exact same diets one of whom occasionally eats meat (say 1-2 times per week)0 -
I don't eat red meat because I don't like it.
Here's a link to the book about The China Study. No indication these results have been published in a peer reviewed medical journal from what I see. I always look for that or for multiple sources that say the same thing before I think too much of any 1 study or source....
http://www.thechinastudy.com/
T. Colin Campbell (the book's author) has published extensively in peer reviewed journals. Google Scholar him or look on Pubmed and you will see.
Also, the book, The China Study has a slightly misleading title in my opinion because although he refers to The China Study numerous times - as it was a study that he was involved with - he also cites a lot of other research which points to similar conclusions (in peer reviewed journals and funded by non biased organisations!).
It's all really very convincing!0 -
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You throttled people for a month? At church??#throttles sarah# lol
i did this with my church for a month
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In my opinion, in order to be healthier people need to cut out sugar and simple carbs. Not meat, red or otherwise. Eat grass fed beef if you're worried about the saturated fat, as it has more Omega 3's.
Going meatless means less protein, less B vitamins, less zinc, less iron. Which leads to deficiencies in those areas, if you're not dilligent in supplementation or finding alternatives. Also, meat is brain food. If anyone believes in evolution, you'll know that humans came as we are today through eating meat which led to the development of our brains to how they are today.
Most of land on earth cannot be used to grow crops on, but a lot of it can go towards raising animals who can survive on little forage. Animals are the key to solving the world's hunger crisis.
It's a personal choice to be a vegetarian, but please, make it an educated choice.0 -
like the above post. a lot.0
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like the above post. a lot.
Thanks.
Wow, this thread makes me hungry for some good BBQ steak, nevermind the fact that it's 7am. ;-)
Also I would like to point out that the animals in America are much more efficient now than they were even 10-15 years ago, especially dairy cattle. The amount we are able to produce now requires less input of feed and less of a carbon footprint than ever before. It is not a perfect industry, but it is improving dramatically. I do not think that feedlots are the best ways to finish beef, but if there is a growing population it's what has to happen. Besides, the animals still spend the majority of their lives in pasture. Feedlots are there because the demand from consumers for a certain taste of beef in America. Don't blame the farmers or ranchers. If there are enough people buying grass fed beef, more ranchers will produce and market it, driving up competition and lowering the cost. If more people would buy what's good for them, instead of avoiding meat all together or just buying the cheapest, fattiest cut of feedlot beef, I think we would get a lot further in this country at lowering obesity and improving animal health all at the same time.
Ok, I'll get off the soap box now!!0 -
In my opinion, in order to be healthier people need to cut out sugar and simple carbs. Not meat, red or otherwise. Eat grass fed beef if you're worried about the saturated fat, as it has more Omega 3's.
Going meatless means less protein, less B vitamins, less zinc, less iron. Which leads to deficiencies in those areas, if you're not dilligent in supplementation or finding alternatives. Also, meat is brain food. If anyone believes in evolution, you'll know that humans came as we are today through eating meat which led to the development of our brains to how they are today.
Most of land on earth cannot be used to grow crops on, but a lot of it can go towards raising animals who can survive on little forage. Animals are the key to solving the world's hunger crisis.
I believe you need to read more and educate yourself a little more about the claims or vits, iron, brain food, etc.
And please educate yourself on crop growth. I live in the middle east where the vegetables and fruits are the most delicious I have eaten anywhere in the world. Saudi Arabia does not have fertile land, but what they do have is kilometers upon kilometers of green houses, less pest, and lots of produce. And if there weren't enough land to sustain produce then how do you propose we feed the animals that graze that you eat?
It's a personal choice to be a vegetarian, but please, make it an educated choice.0 -
I don't need to read the China study..or the Atkins diet.
WE'RE OMNIVORES.
That's right. Eating a variety is often best. Do what you like, if you have moral issues with eating animal, bravo to you. You'll survive. The people eating a ton of meat and barely much else, you'll survive too, and probably get cancer or have bad breath.
We're not predators- we are the weaklings in the animal kingdom! We aren't super fast, but we can use our brains really well..sometimes. That means we eat meat whenever we can get it, we were first scavengers and we were definitely on the menu of top notch predators in eons past. So I guess we needed our fancy brains to hide away didn't we? Also to snag meat from real apex predators. We don't have claws.
I've got to wonder what our teeth look like vs Paleolithic man. If we're so well suited to eating meat voraciously uh hopefully we aren't basing that idea on how they lived necessarily, after all, you know, evolution. Right, surely eating Nabisco or Kraft isn't called for when we're thinking truly healthy eating or being fit.0 -
I loss 60+ lbs eating meat, and red meat at least twice a week. My blood profile is normal, my BP is 110/60, my resting HR is 42. If eating meat means I'll die of cancer some day, then so be it. We all die, it's just a matter of when. Everyone on my dads side had bad habits(smoking, drinking) & ate bad all their lives, and still lived into their 80s. With my current lifestyle, that means I should be good to go into my 90s even 100.
BTW, there's plenty of studies out there that also indicate that most major diseases (cancer, heart disease, etc) has alot to do with genetics, not what you put in your mouth.
Now, where's that 1" thick porterhouse steak...I'm hungry.
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*waits to get throttled by those on atkins or primal diets*
#throttles sarah# lol
i did this with my church for a month, well it was more than just meat it also included sweets, caffiene etc, now that its over i feel so much better, i still have days where i dont eat meat, i use to be addicted to caffiene now i dont crave it, i used to be a sugarholic now i dont crave sugar either. my biggest concern about no meats was protein but i found that even with out it i got more than enough protien in my diet.
How did you go about cutting out sugar? Did you include the natural sugars in fruit?0 -
geezuss i love steak.
and ya, all sumer my family eats red meat and a side of green vegetables (kale, broccoli rabe, dandelion greens etc) and all of us lose weight.0 -
I think you've got to be careful when you say stuff like that. It's surprisingly easy to get enough protein as a vegan and though I do have to keep an eye on my iron and supplement B12, I never have to worry about fibre or numerous other vitamins and minerals. There are pros and cons to all diets. Nurtitional deficiencies are a symptom of a poor diet and both vegetarians and omnivores alike are capable of that!Going meatless means less protein, less B vitamins, less zinc, less iron. Which leads to deficiencies in those areas, if you're not dilligent in supplementation or finding alternatives. Also, meat is brain food. If anyone believes in evolution, you'll know that humans came as we are today through eating meat which led to the development of our brains to how they are today.
I also believe the theory that human beings got to the top of the pile because they ate meat has been called into question. Perhaps it helped but (maybe my bias is showing, here!) I find it hard to believe that there was any one, sole factor responsible for our success. There's also the consideration that what was historically natural for us might have little relevance today - we don't live like our ancestors did.
As far as animals becomming more productive/requring fewer resources... well, that certainly ain't natural either!! To be entirely honest, it only reinforces my belief that going vegan was the right choice for me, when I think of some of the ways we "improved" our farmed animals. It's a more efficient system for us but it often comes at their cost.
And the China Study... it'd be a good counterbalance to some of the meatier books mentioned but I'd take it with as much salt as I would any other book promoting a wonder diet - including some of the ones mentioned above Meat - or a lack thereof - doesn't automatically make any diet healthy or unhealthy, just like it doesn't make it (un)environmentally friendly or anything like that.
Diplomatic Vegan out.
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I think you've got to be careful when you say stuff like that. It's surprisingly easy to get enough protein as a vegan and though I do have to keep an eye on my iron and supplement B12, I never have to worry about fibre or numerous other vitamins and minerals. There are pros and cons to all diets. Nurtitional deficiencies are a symptom of a poor diet and both vegetarians and omnivores alike are capable of that!Going meatless means less protein, less B vitamins, less zinc, less iron. Which leads to deficiencies in those areas, if you're not dilligent in supplementation or finding alternatives. Also, meat is brain food. If anyone believes in evolution, you'll know that humans came as we are today through eating meat which led to the development of our brains to how they are today.
I also believe the theory that human beings got to the top of the pile because they ate meat has been called into question. Perhaps it helped but (maybe my bias is showing, here!) I find it hard to believe that there was any one, sole factor responsible for our success. There's also the consideration that what was historically natural for us might have little relevance today - we don't live like our ancestors did.
As far as animals becomming more productive/requring fewer resources... well, that certainly ain't natural either!! To be entirely honest, it only reinforces my belief that going vegan was the right choice for me, when I think of some of the ways we "improved" our farmed animals. It's a more efficient system for us but it often comes at their cost.
And the China Study... it'd be a good counterbalance to some of the meatier books mentioned but I'd take it with as much salt as I would any other book promoting a wonder diet - including some of the ones mentioned above Meat - or a lack thereof - doesn't automatically make any diet healthy or unhealthy, just like it doesn't make it (un)environmentally friendly or anything like that.
Diplomatic Vegan out.
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You said that so well.
Just want to add one more thing - - the one thing that scientist have found and agree on is that the humans ability to create and use tools is what put them above all other beings. Hmmm, tools, as in sowing the fields.
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I have given up meat for the most part for the past 9 months. I occasionally eat chicken and turkey (about 2-3 times a month) and I wouldn't eat any at all if it wasn't for the fact that I live with three meat eaters in my house and it's hard to cook myself seperate meals every night. My reasoning is for health. If you have every read Hallelujah Diet it is a very eye opening book. The concept of the book is to eat a Vegan diet with about 80% of your food being raw. I haven't achieved that level yet but I have noitced a big difference in how I feel by cutting out the meat and decreasing my dairy intake. I used to have digestion problems and I haven't had that problem in 9 months. It's a personal choice and I have been a meat eater most of my life, but don't dis the vegans and vegetarians. It is a very healthy lifestyle and unless you've experienced it I don't think it's fair to ridecule it. I've been on both sides and my body has responded very well to the vegetarian diet. I have been much healthier and have tons more energy that I used to. It's a choice that i'm happy with!0
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I have given up meat for the most part for the past 9 months. I occasionally eat chicken and turkey (about 2-3 times a month) and I wouldn't eat any at all if it wasn't for the fact that I live with three meat eaters in my house and it's hard to cook myself seperate meals every night. My reasoning is for health. If you have every read Hallelujah Diet it is a very eye opening book. The concept of the book is to eat a Vegan diet with about 80% of your food being raw. I haven't achieved that level yet but I have noitced a big difference in how I feel by cutting out the meat and decreasing my dairy intake. I used to have digestion problems and I haven't had that problem in 9 months. It's a personal choice and I have been a meat eater most of my life, but don't dis the vegans and vegetarians. It is a very healthy lifestyle and unless you've experienced it I don't think it's fair to ridecule it. I've been on both sides and my body has responded very well to the vegetarian diet. I have been much healthier and have tons more energy that I used to. It's a choice that i'm happy with!
Thank you.
You don't see vegans and vegetarians jumping on the primal and atkins threads and bashing meat eaters. It's a personal choice and I'm the only one of my friends (in RL) that is a vegetarian. They don't push meat on me and I don't throw my beliefs on them.0 -
It's also funny to get some people's reactions. When you eat out they are like...OMG where can we eat. OMG ANYWHERE!0
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It's also funny to get some people's reactions. When you eat out they are like...OMG where can we eat. OMG ANYWHERE!
Very true, lol. While I do favor some restaurants over others...I can find things to eat anywhere, lol.0 -
I live in the Middle East now, and there is plenty of hummus, baba ganoush, tabbouleh, and other great non meat items. But i do miss the vegetarian restaurants in Austin, TX. Every place has an extensive veg, vegan, etc. menu.0
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I live in the Middle East now, and there is plenty of hummus, baba ganoush, tabbouleh, and other great non meat items. But i do miss the vegetarian restaurants in Austin, TX. Every place has an extensive veg, vegan, etc. menu.
Ha. I had planned to move to Austin until I was awarded the house in my divorce...now I'm stuck in GA until I can sell it.
I'm stuck in BBQ land...but I can usually find good veg friendly food anywhere.
I envy you...on the types of foods...not the location, lol.0 -
"If you don't mind my asking...what kind of misinformation?"
For one, that the vegetarian “Life Style” is more healthy, as a blanket statement.
IMO there is nothing wrong with being a veggie, if you are doing it because for you it works, and you feel/know it’s a better choice. But, again IMO, there are way too many that are doing it because of some misplaced moral judgment about eating meat. Either way you look at it man is a omnivore which means meat and veggies, but on the individual level being a vegetarian “can” be the right choice for that person.0 -
"Thank you.
You don't see vegans and vegetarians jumping on the primal and atkins threads and bashing meat eaters. It's a personal choice and I'm the only one of my friends (in RL) that is a vegetarian. They don't push meat on me and I don't throw my beliefs on them. "
Really? I guess you missed the meat dress Lady GAGA wore, or you have never heard of PETA, or any of the other millitant Vegans.0 -
It is sad to see that a simple post about loving an eggplant recipe can turn into this. It is a personal choice to top eating meat. I wish there weren't so many people out there who were just itching to attack some one for making that decision. It is absolutely possible to be healthy and vegetarian. Let people decide on their own if they want to eat meat or not and don't bash them for their decision. I don't understand why it has to be such a heated topic. I have been vegetarian for most of my life and I don't go around telling people that eating meat is wrong. There are many reasons for choosing not to eat meat. In the end the decision is yours. Don't let anyone bully you into believing one way or another.
That being said, I think its great that you have tried something new. Eggplant is great. I'm sorry people couldn't just take your post for what it is. You weren't afraid to try something new, you liked it and wanted to share your experience. I'm sure your intention was not to open a debate on why vegetarianism is the wrong way to go. And I am also sure that you are not trying to say that we should replace meat with eggplant. I saw several replies that were advising you not to replace meat with eggplant. Come on people, lets think for a minute. I think a lot of people just totally missed the point of your post.0 -
Thank you.
You don't see vegans and vegetarians jumping on the primal and atkins threads and bashing meat eaters. It's a personal choice and I'm the only one of my friends (in RL) that is a vegetarian. They don't push meat on me and I don't throw my beliefs on them.
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Exactly! It would never even cross my mind to hop onto a meat lovers thread and start throwing critical opinions at people. The thing i've noticed the most since I changed my eating habits is that it truly offends some people that I don't want to eat meat. I don't get it. What i put in my mouth is my business and what you put in your mouth is yours!!! :happy:0
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