No Meat.....No Problem

"Thank you.
You don't see vegans and vegetarians jumping on the primal and atkins threads and bashing meat eaters. It's a personal choice and I'm the only one of my friends (in RL) that is a vegetarian. They don't push meat on me and I don't throw my beliefs on them. "


Really? I guess you missed the meat dress Lady GAGA wore, or you have never heard of PETA, or any of the other millitant Vegans.

I am aware of PETA....I'm a member...but I don't jump on MFP threads about it. So unless it was brought up on *this* site, I don't comment on it. Wow, you must think we're idiots, we just have a bit more class that to bash others for their choice to consume meat. I think you missed the point that I said that we don't get hyped up on MFP...that does not mean we are not vocal else where.

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. You cut out meat and replaced it with eggplant? Eggplant has virtually no protein. I could understand if you said tempeh or tofu or even beans or quinoa.

I for one did not cut out meat for eggplant. I include eggplant in my diet in addition to other proteins, not as a replacement. It is tasty and filling, so I am less likely to crave other things, such as carbs. I eat beans, cottage cheese, and eggs, etc. (I am not Vegan).

Also, while I do believe being Vegetarian is healthy, it is not my reason for being a Vegetarian. Ever since I was a teenager, I have been opposed to eating the flesh of beautiful living, breathing, creatures. I find it repulsive. I don't care who says we are top of the food chain, or they are bred for our consumption, or that they don't feel like we do. I don't think any creature deserves to be led to slaughter just so we can satisfy our bellies. This is MY opinion, I don't judge those I sit across the dinner table from, but I personally find it gross.

Well, quite frankly, that's why I felt the need to reply. Or next thing you know a bunch of sheeple will get the idea that eggplant is a meat substitute and excellent source of protein.

Well, 25% of people are retarded so it's not too surprising. Especially when taken into account that on the internet the statistics jump up by nearly 50%! So that's 75%-ish.

Well, quite frankly, that's why I felt the need to reply. Or next thing you know a bunch of sheeple will get the idea that eggplant is a meat substitute and excellent source of protein.

I believe you need to read more and educate yourself a little more about the claims or vits, iron, brain food, etc.

And please educate yourself on crop growth. I live in the middle east where the vegetables and fruits are the most delicious I have eaten anywhere in the world. Saudi Arabia does not have fertile land, but what they do have is kilometers upon kilometers of green houses, less pest, and lots of produce. And if there weren't enough land to sustain produce then how do you propose we feed the animals that graze that you eat?

there are a few things you forgot to mention. all human beings have certain traits. we have strong vision with eyes in the front of our heads, we have sharp pointed teeth, we have claws, and we walk upright. all of these are biological traits of predators. when considering changes in diet this is a factor.

for day to day you can get all that is necessary from vegetation, depending on how strict you get with animal by-products (eggs, milk, cheese, and the like) even then as little as the occasional fish can make a big difference. a vegetarian diet can be very healthy but animal based proteins are not easily replaced entirely it requires careful consideration and usually supplementation even then it is very difficult to truly satisfy the body.

Will have to disagree here, as a vegan (no meat, fish, dairy or eggs).

Gorillas have the same broad traits you mention humans have, they eat plant products almost exclusively.

As for what I need, as a vegan, I can get without much drama from non animal sources. Vitamin B12 is probably the most difficult to get, but I get that from malt extracts (yeast) if I do not want to take a vitamin supplement. B12 is made exclusively by microbes.

Amino acids (the 8 humans can not synthesize) I get from different plants (legumes, nuts, seed sprouts).

Omega fatty acids I get from nuts and flax.

It is not hard, I do not crave for meats, I am not undernourished or ill

I do not, unless I want to, have to use supplements

you know you just kind of proved my point here. by your own statement, you have to be careful about what you eat and take a supplement.

second gorillas do eat meat, like most primates the base of there diet is fruit, however they do eat quite a bit of insects, as well as birds and small rodents, when they can get them.

I did not say I have to take a supplement. I can get what I need from my food including my malt extract.. Unfortunately many "meat eaters" in the western world need to take supplements as they do not get the some key micronutrients they need (because of lack of fruit and veggies).

BTW: Gorillas take in animal protein inadvertently, by consuming insects, insect eggs and the larvae that nest on the plants and fruits they eat. An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lb) of vegetation per day. A typical gorilla's diet would be for instance,

The western lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla) subspecies consumes parts of at least 97 plant species. About 67% of their diet is fruit, 17% is leaves, seeds and stems and 3% is termites and caterpillars.

The mountain gorilla (Gorilla beringei beringei) subspecies consumes parts of at least 142 plant species and only 3 types of fruit (there is hardly any fruit available due to the high altitude). About 86% of their diet is leaves, shoots, and stems, 7% is roots, 3% is flowers, 2% is fruit, and 2% ants, snails, and grubs.

Gorillas i believe do not take birds or rodents, Chimps do to a small extent

This thread ... made me crave turnip. Good, old-fashioned, mashed turnip and potatoes like Mom used to make.

Your education explains your biased ideas. There is plenty of research that would contradict what you have learned in college. Being college educated ++ I have learned that what I learned in college was a great baseline, but that's it, a baseline. What you learn outside of the tilted view of professors are other studies and facts that you were not taught.

Good luck to you.

So is it because you're old you get to argue with someone without providing any sort of information whatsoever to back up your claims? I won't claim to know a ton about this topic in particular, but everything I've ever read or studied has agreed with SkierElle's assertions.

Aside from that, when people talk about land not being able to produce crops, they mean without the aid of greenhouses.

Seriously, older people are the worst about this kind of crap. Simply saying "you're wrong and need to educate yourself" is the lamest cop out there is. Why don't you just say something more accurate to your sentiments, like "I disagree with you, but I don't want to actually go through the work of proving my position at all, I'm just going to say that you're wrong and try to attack you personally by calling you uneducated."

The hyperbole is excellent tonight. Mmmm.