Pasta substitutes

Roukie
Roukie Posts: 41 Member
edited September 25 in Food and Nutrition
Hello all,

I am missing pasta, I just can't justify the calories that you get out of pasta, and I can't find a sub that fills the gap for me. I've tried spaghetti squash which i love but it isn't pasta, any good ideas out there?
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  • alonnadodd
    alonnadodd Posts: 66 Member
    bump! me too!
  • Rubie81
    Rubie81 Posts: 720 Member
    I still eat it. Instead of eating 2 cups like I use to I just have 1 cup or .5 a cup. What I like about pasta is that it's filling. SO you eat that with protein and you are good for a couple of hours.
  • heathersmilez
    heathersmilez Posts: 2,579 Member
    Squash and fake noodles like Miracle Noodle and the better tasting Noodle Slim simply wont cut it for you and you may end up binging out of carb withdrawal – to be frank.

    I've been making pasta a lot more recently now that I have a food scale. Before it was maybe 4-5x a year now it's 2x a month b/c I only eat 75g not the 85g as per the package. That means its only 273 calories not 300 and carbs is reduced as well.

    It's still a carb heavier day so I don't have a sandwich at lunch I have salad with chicken or something low on carbs but it’s great when you add your own veggies in and even better if you make your own sauce to cut down on sodium.

    Honestly I wanted to start eating it daily for lunch to increase my mid-day meals but I fear doing that…… pasta gets such a bad rap that’s for sure.
  • MzPlaya
    MzPlaya Posts: 5
    Its not pasta but have you tried mock rice?
    :smile:
  • Rhaamses
    Rhaamses Posts: 9 Member
    Steamed Jullianed Bok Choy Stalks or Zuccini
  • BeLightYear
    BeLightYear Posts: 1,450 Member
    Barley! It is only 100 calories per serving, has lots of fiber and goes great with everything, just like pasta:flowerforyou:
  • pkgirrl
    pkgirrl Posts: 587
    Spaghetti squash is a good sub in italian type meals, and bean sprouts work well in most asian dishes. AND you're getting more veggies =)
  • Delmonte French cut Green beans... .. no salt.. this is what i use as a 'spinach' pasta sub. also zucchini.... reasons I LOVE theses two is because they really take on the texture of al dente noodles. And they are so BLAND that if you marinate your seasons/sauces for about 15 minutes they take one whatever flavor ofthe dish very well. I do spaghetti squash as well. but i must say now i mostly use The green beans..
  • Still_Sossy
    Still_Sossy Posts: 868 Member
  • lynda167
    lynda167 Posts: 7
    I find that when I want pasta, nothing else will do except pasta! So I make sure that my sauce is so jam packed with veggies that I only need a very small amount of actual pasta on my plate - I get the satisfaction of eating pasta, but get tons of veggies and don't have to feel guilty!
  • Rebjones612
    Rebjones612 Posts: 408
    If I eat past, its wheat pasta! At least its better for you.
  • Rebjones612
    Rebjones612 Posts: 408
    Meant if I eat pasta....lol
  • redwngs13
    redwngs13 Posts: 194 Member
    Since you're sick of just spaghetti squash alone, try mixing half spaghetti squash with half actual pasta. That way you still get pasta you're craving, but the calories are half of what it would be and it's still a filling dish.
  • Jade_Butterfly
    Jade_Butterfly Posts: 2,963 Member

    Thanks for a new idea. love it. Soba noodles are another way to go if you are missing pasta! just a thought.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,320 Member
    There is nothing wrong with pasta, but you need to exercise portion control. Also eating a high fiber pasta either whole wheat or if you don't like whole wheat some makers have fiber rich versions. Often the portion size in the nutrition section is rather large, don't be afraid to cut it down to something more reasonable. I also usually add a lot of veggies to my pasta for a much larger meal without breaking the calorie bank.
  • perogy
    perogy Posts: 1
    whole wheat spagetti is only 175 cal / cup (I think)...that's not too bad...

    I'm with you. Love pasta!
  • melsinct
    melsinct Posts: 3,512 Member
    No need to eliminate pasta, just weigh or measure portions. There is nothing that will satisfy a pasta craving for me besides pasta. I like spaghetti squash and all but it is a poor substitute.
  • HMKan
    HMKan Posts: 472 Member
    Yea, there's no reason to get rid of pasta altogether, unless you plan on never eating it again, even after you're at your weight loss goal. You might as well learn now how to eat it healthy.

    My Barilla thin spaghetti is 200 calories per 2 oz. dry. once it's cooked, I toss it with chicken breast and Classico Tomato and Basil sauce (which I find to have lower sugar/sodium/calories) and it's a filling meal.
  • beccafertig
    beccafertig Posts: 61 Member
    Check out Dreamfields Pasta. It's only 5g of carbs per serving, high in fiber and a low glycemic index. I made the switch and no one in my family knew the difference. It's excellent stuff!
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    If I eat past, its wheat pasta! At least its better for you.

    Are low-glycemic carbs counted differently than regular carbs when calculating for insulin dose?

    Generally in carbohydrate counting (whether or not an insulin dose is calculated) a carb is counted as a carb, regardless of it's glycemic index. With that said, individuals that monitor glycemic index, choosing foods/beverages with a lower glycemic index more often, may succeed in fine tuning blood glucose (blood glucose) control.

    Everyone who entered Dreamfields Pasta in foods and put a serving as only 5g of carbs per serving is incorrect. A carb is a Carb and should be counted as so according to Dreamfields website. It does not cause as much of a spike in bloodsugar as other pasta but is still the same carb. Disappointing, I was hoping too!
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    I find that when I want pasta, nothing else will do except pasta! So I make sure that my sauce is so jam packed with veggies that I only need a very small amount of actual pasta on my plate - I get the satisfaction of eating pasta, but get tons of veggies and don't have to feel guilty!

    I do the same thing! One ounce of pasta and pound of vegetables.
  • beccafertig
    beccafertig Posts: 61 Member
    If I eat past, its wheat pasta! At least its better for you.

    Are low-glycemic carbs counted differently than regular carbs when calculating for insulin dose?

    Generally in carbohydrate counting (whether or not an insulin dose is calculated) a carb is counted as a carb, regardless of it's glycemic index. With that said, individuals that monitor glycemic index, choosing foods/beverages with a lower glycemic index more often, may succeed in fine tuning blood glucose (blood glucose) control.

    Everyone who entered Dreamfields Pasta in foods and put a serving as only 5g of carbs per serving is incorrect. A carb is a Carb and should be counted as so according to Dreamfields website. It does not cause as much of a spike in bloodsugar as other pasta but is still the same carb. Disappointing, I was hoping too!

    Here's a long, but very interesting read on dreamfields pasta...

    Dr. Anfinsen runs TechCom Group LLC, one of the partners of DNA Dreamfields LLC, the group that develops, manufactures and markets Dreamfields pasta and the unique technology behind it. TechCom's objective is to improve of the quality of the nutrition in food. According to Anfinsen, they "put under the microscope, so to speak, how the body uses food and how to maximize the nutritional benefit the body receives."

    The Story Behind "Digestible Carbs"

    Dreamfields pasta is unique in the low-carb marketplace in that they do not claim "net carbs" on their label, but instead claim "digestible carbs."

    Net carbs, you probably know, is a number that food manufacturers arrive at by taking the total carbohydrate content of a serving of their product, and subtracting the fiber, sugar alcohols, glycerine and other carbohydrate ingredients that have a negligible impact on blood sugar. This number can be questionable, especially with sugar alcohols, as the various sugar alcohols have different effects on blood sugar, and there is some debate over whether sugar alcohols can legitimately be subtracted when calculating net carbs.

    Digestible carbs, by contrast, is the total amount of carbohydrate that is digested in the upper GI tract and enters the bloodstream, as measured in human test subjects. It is worth noting that Dreamfields has a group of 45 test subjects, and that every batch of Dreamfields pasta is tested in vivo as part of their quality control process.

    Anfinsen could not describe in detail the process by which digestible carbs are measured, due to a pending patent. They have submitted a provisional patent application that will be converted into a standard patent application sometime in the next couple of months. Patent applications are published prior to approval, so we should be able to read the patent application by sometime early next year.

    How Dreamfields Lowers Digestible Carbs

    I asked Dr. Anfinsen if he could explain how adding their blend of fibers and proteins to Dreamfields pasta "protects" the carbohydrate from being digested, and whether or not this fiber/protein blend acted as a "built-in carb-blocker." While I have to admit I did not fully understand the answer, he said, "Yes, you could look at it that way." Anfinsen describes the fiber/protein blend as "a matrix that is dispersed throughout the product. This matrix acts as a barrier that inhibits the ability of enzymes to digest the carbohydrate."

    So what is a "matrix?" Anfinsen uses the following analogy: Say you lay a sheet of paper on your desk. Now say you want to move an object from the left side of your desk to the right. The sheet of paper acts as an obstacle. The more sheets of paper you stack up, the harder it is to move things from one side of your desk to the other.

    Similarly, the fiber/protein blend in Dreamfields pasta prevents the enzymes necessary for the digestion of carbohydrates from reaching the carbohydrates in your digestive tract (though in three dimensions, rather than the two in the analogy).

    According to Anfinsen, the more of this blend they add to the food product, the fewer carbohydrates that get digested. They could, for example, manufacture pasta with zero grams of digestible carbs. The 5g per serving number was chosen for marketing reasons. Dreamfields pasta is intended to be a healthful, mainstream replacement for ordinary pasta; not just a niche product aimed at serious low-carb dieters. Because Dreamfields would like to see their products replace traditional pasta in school lunchrooms, for example, they felt it was necessary to have some digestible carbohydrates in the product.

    Low Carbohydrate or Low Glycemic?

    I also asked Dr. Anfinsen how we can know that Dreamfields pasta is truly a low-carbohydrate product, and not just a food with a low-glycemic index. In other words, when they test the blood sugar of the subjects who eat their pasta, what exactly are they measuring?

    The glycemic index is a numerical system of measuring how fast a carbohydrate triggers a rise in circulating blood sugar; the greater the blood sugar response, the higher the number. Glycemic load is a numerical system that takes into account the glycemic index of a food as well as how much available carbohydrate is in a serving of that food.

    You can calculate a food's glycemic load by dividing it's glycemic index by 100 and then multiplying by the number of grams of available carbohydrate (e.g., carbohydrates minus fiber). For example, an medium apple with a glycemic index of 28 and 16g of available carbohydrate would have a glycemic load of 4 ((28/100)*16=4.48, rounded to 4).

    Similarly, you can measure the glycemic index and the glycemic load of a given food and run the calculation in reverse to obtain the amount of available carbohydrate.

    This is essentially what Dreamfields has done. They varied the amount of the fiber/protein blend they added to their pasta until they got the blood sugar response they were looking for. They could have made it with more or less available carbohydrate, but 5g per serving was the target number they were shooting for.

    So Is it Fiber?

    Given that the carbohydrate in Dreamfields pasta is rendered mostly indigestible and passes to through to the lower GI where it is fermented by the bacteria in the colon, you might wonder why they don't call it fiber. After all, that's exactly what soluble fiber does. Insoluble fiber passes through the entire digestive tract undigested, but soluble fiber is partially or completely fermented by the bacteria in the colon, helping to maintain the health of your intestinal flora.

    In other words, Dreamfields technology makes ordinary semolina flour act as if it were fiber. It passes through the upper GI tract and is completely fermented in the colon. So is it fiber?

    The answer, for now, is no. The reason is that, in the United States at least, calling something fiber is subject to various governmental regulations, though even this is subject to change. For example, 10 years ago polydextrose could not be listed on the nutrition label as fiber; today it can. Anfinsen says that there is a movement to allow fiber content to be determined by clinical assays rather than traditional definitions. If this happens, you may see Dreamfields pasta listing 37g of fiber per serving on their label.

    But even if it can't legally be called fiber yet, is Dreamfields pasta going to improve colon health and digestion in the same way that soluble fibers do? "Absolutely," says Anfinsen.

    I also wanted to know if Dreamfields pasta would be a problem for people with intestinal disorders, such as irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn's disease or colitis? According to Anfinsen, "No. Dreamfields pasta ferments completely, but it does not 'flash ferment.'" Fiber-containing products with "loosely bound molecules" ferment more rapidly, and higher in the colon, causing gas and bloating. Because Dreamfields pasta ferments more slowly, and starts fermenting lower in the colon, it does not have this problem. Moreover, because the fiber contained in Dreamfields pasta is entirely soluble, there isn't the intestinal irritation that might be associated with insoluble fibers.

    What's the Real Difference Between "Net Carbs" and "Digestible Carbs"?
    If the additional carbs are not digested, is there really any difference between "net carbs" and "digestible carbs" other than a semantic one? Apparently not. The two are measured in different ways but, excluding the issue of whether or not you can subtract sugar alcohols when calculating net carbs, the end result should be the same.

    What is the Future of this Technology?

    Dreamfields pasta is only the first product to implement this patent pending food technology from TechCom Group. TechCom has licensed, and is in negotiations to license this technology to other large food manufacturers. In addition, they are working with the FDA to help educate regulators and the public about this new way of protecting carbohydrates from digestion and measuring digestible carbohydrates through clinical assays.

    In my previous article, I pointed out that Dreamfields needed to do a better job communicating why their products are low-carb despite the fact that they are not loaded with fiber and other ingredients that reduce the net carbs. Now I know why: Discussions about your colon and your blood just don't make good marketing copy.

    Over the next year, as we begin to see new food products coming to market using the same carbohydrate-lowering and measuring technologies used in Dreamfields pasta, I hope manufacturers will find a way to more adequately communicate the concept of digestible carbs.
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    If I eat past, its wheat pasta! At least its better for you.

    Are low-glycemic carbs counted differently than regular carbs when calculating for insulin dose?

    Generally in carbohydrate counting (whether or not an insulin dose is calculated) a carb is counted as a carb, regardless of it's glycemic index. With that said, individuals that monitor glycemic index, choosing foods/beverages with a lower glycemic index more often, may succeed in fine tuning blood glucose (blood glucose) control.

    Everyone who entered Dreamfields Pasta in foods and put a serving as only 5g of carbs per serving is incorrect. A carb is a Carb and should be counted as so according to Dreamfields website. It does not cause as much of a spike in bloodsugar as other pasta but is still the same carb. Disappointing, I was hoping too!

    Here's a long, but very interesting read on dreamfields pasta...

    Dr. Anfinsen runs TechCom Group LLC, one of the partners of DNA Dreamfields LLC, the group that develops, manufactures and markets Dreamfields pasta and the unique technology behind it. TechCom's objective is to improve of the quality of the nutrition in food. According to Anfinsen, they "put under the microscope, so to speak, how the body uses food and how to maximize the nutritional benefit the body receives."

    The Story Behind "Digestible Carbs"

    Dreamfields pasta is unique in the low-carb marketplace in that they do not claim "net carbs" on their label, but instead claim "digestible carbs."

    Net carbs, you probably know, is a number that food manufacturers arrive at by taking the total carbohydrate content of a serving of their product, and subtracting the fiber, sugar alcohols, glycerine and other carbohydrate ingredients that have a negligible impact on blood sugar. This number can be questionable, especially with sugar alcohols, as the various sugar alcohols have different effects on blood sugar, and there is some debate over whether sugar alcohols can legitimately be subtracted when calculating net carbs.

    Digestible carbs, by contrast, is the total amount of carbohydrate that is digested in the upper GI tract and enters the bloodstream, as measured in human test subjects. It is worth noting that Dreamfields has a group of 45 test subjects, and that every batch of Dreamfields pasta is tested in vivo as part of their quality control process.

    Anfinsen could not describe in detail the process by which digestible carbs are measured, due to a pending patent. They have submitted a provisional patent application that will be converted into a standard patent application sometime in the next couple of months. Patent applications are published prior to approval, so we should be able to read the patent application by sometime early next year.

    How Dreamfields Lowers Digestible Carbs

    I asked Dr. Anfinsen if he could explain how adding their blend of fibers and proteins to Dreamfields pasta "protects" the carbohydrate from being digested, and whether or not this fiber/protein blend acted as a "built-in carb-blocker." While I have to admit I did not fully understand the answer, he said, "Yes, you could look at it that way." Anfinsen describes the fiber/protein blend as "a matrix that is dispersed throughout the product. This matrix acts as a barrier that inhibits the ability of enzymes to digest the carbohydrate."

    So what is a "matrix?" Anfinsen uses the following analogy: Say you lay a sheet of paper on your desk. Now say you want to move an object from the left side of your desk to the right. The sheet of paper acts as an obstacle. The more sheets of paper you stack up, the harder it is to move things from one side of your desk to the other.

    Similarly, the fiber/protein blend in Dreamfields pasta prevents the enzymes necessary for the digestion of carbohydrates from reaching the carbohydrates in your digestive tract (though in three dimensions, rather than the two in the analogy).

    According to Anfinsen, the more of this blend they add to the food product, the fewer carbohydrates that get digested. They could, for example, manufacture pasta with zero grams of digestible carbs. The 5g per serving number was chosen for marketing reasons. Dreamfields pasta is intended to be a healthful, mainstream replacement for ordinary pasta; not just a niche product aimed at serious low-carb dieters. Because Dreamfields would like to see their products replace traditional pasta in school lunchrooms, for example, they felt it was necessary to have some digestible carbohydrates in the product.

    Low Carbohydrate or Low Glycemic?

    I also asked Dr. Anfinsen how we can know that Dreamfields pasta is truly a low-carbohydrate product, and not just a food with a low-glycemic index. In other words, when they test the blood sugar of the subjects who eat their pasta, what exactly are they measuring?

    The glycemic index is a numerical system of measuring how fast a carbohydrate triggers a rise in circulating blood sugar; the greater the blood sugar response, the higher the number. Glycemic load is a numerical system that takes into account the glycemic index of a food as well as how much available carbohydrate is in a serving of that food.

    You can calculate a food's glycemic load by dividing it's glycemic index by 100 and then multiplying by the number of grams of available carbohydrate (e.g., carbohydrates minus fiber). For example, an medium apple with a glycemic index of 28 and 16g of available carbohydrate would have a glycemic load of 4 ((28/100)*16=4.48, rounded to 4).

    Similarly, you can measure the glycemic index and the glycemic load of a given food and run the calculation in reverse to obtain the amount of available carbohydrate.

    This is essentially what Dreamfields has done. They varied the amount of the fiber/protein blend they added to their pasta until they got the blood sugar response they were looking for. They could have made it with more or less available carbohydrate, but 5g per serving was the target number they were shooting for.

    So Is it Fiber?

    Given that the carbohydrate in Dreamfields pasta is rendered mostly indigestible and passes to through to the lower GI where it is fermented by the bacteria in the colon, you might wonder why they don't call it fiber. After all, that's exactly what soluble fiber does. Insoluble fiber passes through the entire digestive tract undigested, but soluble fiber is partially or completely fermented by the bacteria in the colon, helping to maintain the health of your intestinal flora.

    In other words, Dreamfields technology makes ordinary semolina flour act as if it were fiber. It passes through the upper GI tract and is completely fermented in the colon. So is it fiber?

    The answer, for now, is no. The reason is that, in the United States at least, calling something fiber is subject to various governmental regulations, though even this is subject to change. For example, 10 years ago polydextrose could not be listed on the nutrition label as fiber; today it can. Anfinsen says that there is a movement to allow fiber content to be determined by clinical assays rather than traditional definitions. If this happens, you may see Dreamfields pasta listing 37g of fiber per serving on their label.

    But even if it can't legally be called fiber yet, is Dreamfields pasta going to improve colon health and digestion in the same way that soluble fibers do? "Absolutely," says Anfinsen.

    I also wanted to know if Dreamfields pasta would be a problem for people with intestinal disorders, such as irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn's disease or colitis? According to Anfinsen, "No. Dreamfields pasta ferments completely, but it does not 'flash ferment.'" Fiber-containing products with "loosely bound molecules" ferment more rapidly, and higher in the colon, causing gas and bloating. Because Dreamfields pasta ferments more slowly, and starts fermenting lower in the colon, it does not have this problem. Moreover, because the fiber contained in Dreamfields pasta is entirely soluble, there isn't the intestinal irritation that might be associated with insoluble fibers.

    What's the Real Difference Between "Net Carbs" and "Digestible Carbs"?
    If the additional carbs are not digested, is there really any difference between "net carbs" and "digestible carbs" other than a semantic one? Apparently not. The two are measured in different ways but, excluding the issue of whether or not you can subtract sugar alcohols when calculating net carbs, the end result should be the same.

    What is the Future of this Technology?

    Dreamfields pasta is only the first product to implement this patent pending food technology from TechCom Group. TechCom has licensed, and is in negotiations to license this technology to other large food manufacturers. In addition, they are working with the FDA to help educate regulators and the public about this new way of protecting carbohydrates from digestion and measuring digestible carbohydrates through clinical assays.

    In my previous article, I pointed out that Dreamfields needed to do a better job communicating why their products are low-carb despite the fact that they are not loaded with fiber and other ingredients that reduce the net carbs. Now I know why: Discussions about your colon and your blood just don't make good marketing copy.

    Over the next year, as we begin to see new food products coming to market using the same carbohydrate-lowering and measuring technologies used in Dreamfields pasta, I hope manufacturers will find a way to more adequately communicate the concept of digestible carbs.


    When it comes down to it a Carb is still a Carb and should be counted as so, According to Dreamfields when counting a Carb. It just does'nt spike blood sugar the way regular pasta does.
  • Larode
    Larode Posts: 22 Member
    Thats what their box says, however, I track my blood sugar and when I tried it, my glucose went crazy just like real pasta. If you look at the box carefully, it says "other something....can't remember what" but they are not being truthful. Dangerous is someone is diabetic and believes them.
  • beccafertig
    beccafertig Posts: 61 Member
    @pds06 - kinda getting the vibe you're wanting to argue??? Weird. I was just putting out additional information directly from the folks behind Dreamfields. Bottom line? Net carbs vs digestible carbs, it's a better alternative to traditional pasta.
  • RatherBeInTheShire
    RatherBeInTheShire Posts: 561 Member
    I still eat it. Instead of eating 2 cups like I use to I just have 1 cup or .5 a cup. What I like about pasta is that it's filling. SO you eat that with protein and you are good for a couple of hours.

    +1
    I still eat pasta. I just measure it out to a serving. One cup does me pretty good!
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    @pds06 - kinda getting the vibe you're wanting to argue??? Weird. I was just putting out additional information directly from the folks behind Dreamfields. Bottom line? Net carbs vs digestible carbs, it's a better alternative to traditional pasta.

    I don't want to argue, I'm just trying to find the truth to how may carbs to add to my foods and can't find a straight answer.
    When I went to the Dreamfields website it said a carb is a carb and the box said 41 carbs! Even their recipe section does not count it as 5 carbs. But everyone is adding 5 carbs. They are being deceived. I'm just looking for the truth.

    Do you work for them? You sound very defensive.
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    I still eat it. Instead of eating 2 cups like I use to I just have 1 cup or .5 a cup. What I like about pasta is that it's filling. SO you eat that with protein and you are good for a couple of hours.

    +1
    I still eat pasta. I just measure it out to a serving. One cup does me pretty good!
    I agree 100% . It's all in the portion size.
  • dls06
    dls06 Posts: 6,774 Member
    Thats what their box says, however, I track my blood sugar and when I tried it, my glucose went crazy just like real pasta. If you look at the box carefully, it says "other something....can't remember what" but they are not being truthful. Dangerous is someone is diabetic and believes them.

    Me too! Thats why I'm trying to find out the truth. 5grams of carbs for a serving of pasta is too good to be true.
    and you know what they say about that, " if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is !"
  • dlibonati
    dlibonati Posts: 99 Member
    Have you tried quinoa? Either pasta made with its flour, or straight up?

    Cooked quinoa is a great source of iron, manganese, potassium, riboflavin, copper, phosphorous, tryptophan, B6, niacin and thiamine. One cup of cooked quinoa has only 220 calories. It also has 5 grams of fiber and 8 grams of protein.
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