Am I really supposed to be jogging so slow?

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  • baldzach
    baldzach Posts: 1,841 Member
    It's called aerobic base, and yours is shallow. That's okay, you're just starting out. By keeping your heart rate lower (than if you were sprinting or running faster -- where you couldn't do the "Pledge of Allegiance" test), you're building a bigger and deeper aerobic base. Stay at it. You'll find that your aerobic zone will become a faster and faster place to be, and then when that base is good and developed and you're now running comfortably at, say, 11 minutes/mile (5.5 or so mph - totally an arbitrary figure, but you'll know what it is when you get there), then you can concentrate on pushing those zones into the higher heart rate ranges and doing speedwork, if that's what you want to do. Start slow, though. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's the preferred way. Give it 2 months and see if I'm right. :)

    Also, as regarding jogging vs. running --- I once heard that the difference between a jogger and a runner is an entry form... so go find yourself a 5k in a month or two and enter! Warning, though, it's addicting. I love to race, even though I have no hope of winning anything!
  • anzura
    anzura Posts: 171
    I can't stand when people try to put jogging and running into speed categories. If you aren't walking, you're running! I've been a RUNNER for about 4 years now. I'm a slow runner, but I'm a runner. I think of a jogger as someone who goes out to the park in their matching track suit and jogs 1/2 mile and then does it again maybe a week later. I think it puts a negative associating when someone is just starting out. They think they need to run much faster than they should just so they can be called a "runner".
  • johnwhitent
    johnwhitent Posts: 648 Member
    Great post baldzach. It was long enough that I did not want to quote it here, but good job.
  • baldzach
    baldzach Posts: 1,841 Member
    Great post baldzach. It was long enough that I did not want to quote it here, but good job.

    Thanks. :)
  • Phoenix_Rising
    Phoenix_Rising Posts: 11,417 Member
    Is it normal to be jogging at around 3mph, or slower when you first start?


    YES!!!!! I began jogging with a partner. She said, "SLOW DOWN!" I didn't want to but realized when I finally did -- running at about 3.4mph -- that I was building crazy endurance. After a while, my time began decreasing and speed increasing.

    Take it slowly! Your speed will increase over time :smile:
  • Phoenix_Rising
    Phoenix_Rising Posts: 11,417 Member
    i KNOW i can walk faster than the pace i am jogging at right now!!!! i just tell my brain to shut up and keep going. you WILL pick up speed as you go but for right now don't focus on speed, just complete the workout.

    GREAT POINT.
    Walking is much different than jogging/running.
    Don't focus on speed. Focus on that form and keeping moving!
  • jeffrodgers1
    jeffrodgers1 Posts: 991 Member
    When you are learning to run... there are two important concepts... speed and endurance. You can't teach speed. You either have it or you don't and are forced to build it slowly. And let's face it we aren't all created equal. Some people are like Donovan Bailey and most of us are not.

    The concept I try to instill in beginning runners is to pace yourself. I don't care if someone is running 3 mph, or 10 mph... to run further and to build endurance, I tell people "SLOW DOWN to RUN FURTHER".

    What I mean by this is that if you blow all your energy running as fast as you can... you won't get far. But if you slow it down, you will have more energy for longer and can run further.

    I proved this to my 15 year old on Monday night. She blew past me repeatedly running as fast as she could. My guess is she was doing about 9 mph. She repeatedly stopped to catch her breath as she burnt out. In the end, she couldn't run any further than 2.5 miles. By the same token, I ran 5 miles at a 10 minute pace... and ended up beating her home.

    Work on endurance, speed is something that will come later!
  • anzura
    anzura Posts: 171
    Great post Jeff! LSD....long slow distance!!! It's a hard lesson for new runners to learn. They always want to go too fast (I was one of them when I first started). I'm at peace with my slowness now and proud of the miles I can run.
  • baldzach
    baldzach Posts: 1,841 Member
    The concept I try to instill in beginning runners is to pace yourself. I don't care if someone is running 3 mph, or 10 mph... to run further and to build endurance, I tell people "SLOW DOWN to RUN FURTHER".

    What I mean by this is that if you blow all your energy running as fast as you can... you won't get far. But if you slow it down, you will have more energy for longer and can run further.

    Work on endurance, speed is something that will come later!

    Excellent Points Jeff. Also, slow down to run FASTER. It seems counter-intuitive, but it's true. You need to run slow and build that aerobic base to be able to run faster. Like your daughter. She can run fast but doesn't have the aerobic base to keep it up. If she focuses on running slower, not only will she be able to do 10 minute miles with you now and do 5 or maybe more, but in 2 months (or 3 or 6), if she stays with the long slow runs, she'll be able to run 5 miles at a 7 or 8 minute pace. You have to build the base. That's the bottom line.
  • jeffrodgers1
    jeffrodgers1 Posts: 991 Member
    LOL Anzura! When I started out running, I ran past an older fellow who said and I quote "We'll see you at mile 18"...

    No word of a lie, As I started to fade later in the race, He caught up to me at mile 18, patted me on the back, encouraged me to keep going and then passed me by.

    A hard lesson, but one that I have learned since...

    Slow and steady wins the race.
  • Losershawn
    Losershawn Posts: 152
    Thanks everyone for sharing. I am trying to do the C25K and this has been my struggle as well. This is all very helpful!
  • HolleeERL
    HolleeERL Posts: 313 Member
    This is a great question -- i am alternating intervals to find the right pace -- and the biggest question for me (coming from a background of doing long distance walks) is how do you best build up the stamina in your legs for doing more distance? --

    I've been running only about a month usually 3 or 4 days about 5 - 7 K per run... Leg pain is what stops me now about 50 minutes to an hour in (street running and it's pretty hilly around here ,too<ouch!>)... not the cardio but the hammering mostly in my upper thighs and calves to a lesser extent

    The only way to build your stamina is to go more distance - work through the pain. There WILL be pain, but you have to determine if it's the kind of pain that is just dicomfort, or debilitating/injurous pain. Once your body gets used to going a certain distance, these pains go away. I heard a quote from a marathon trainer : "Try to make your short runs faster and your long runs longer." I try to live by that (I run half marathons). If you are trying to build up endurance, just work/focus on the distance rather than the speed. I do my long runs at about 5-5.5 mph (slower if I'm adding a lot of distance) and my short runs at 6.5mph. Hills hurt but great if you are training for a race! :o) Find a flat route if you can and try the longer distances there first. You know, it's fine to walk for part of your long run, too. Hope this helps.
  • HolleeERL
    HolleeERL Posts: 313 Member

    Slow and steady wins the race.

    Absolutely!!!
  • jane77
    jane77 Posts: 489
    your pace will get quicker? maybe maybe not I call myself a jogger. I have jogged off and on for years right now I jog just once a week but through other fittness programs I have worked my miles from 1 to now 8 every Sunday. am I any faster? no sometimes 12 min miles sometimes 13 + min miles I use to care and think I should be faster but htis would hurt my feet and knees so, really why. I love my run it's time for me ,its time in the great outdoor I don't feel I need to prove anything or rush that. Find your pace improve in distance or speed if you want if you don't thats ok it's your run not anyone elses.
  • gp79
    gp79 Posts: 1,799 Member
    Don't worry about your speed. Get yourself a heart rate monitor and train based on your heart rate. Aim to reach 60% of your HRM (Heart Rate Max).

    HRM (Women) = 206 - (0.88 x Age)

    To find out what your 60% range, take your HRM and multiply it by 0.6.

    Now listen to your body when your jogging / running and I bet you that 60 % will be lower than you "dying". Just maintain that for a while and over time you'll find you can run farther and faster because your cardiovascular system (and muscles) are becoming stronger and more efficient.
  • k2d4p
    k2d4p Posts: 441 Member

    Slow and steady wins the race.

    Absolutely!!!

    I wanted to add that i agree with this. I wasn't trying at all to offend anyone with my comment earlier. When I first started, I had many, MANY workouts at 3.0/3.5. I certainly wasn't trying to say that 3.0 wasn't a work out. It absolutely can be!! Work at your pace and you will do great!
  • Newmammaluv
    Newmammaluv Posts: 379 Member
    OMG I just about spit my drink out lol True though I guess.
    jogging is like walking while having a seizure you just kinda flail all around it burns more calories
    its called jogging not running

    I know, but doesn't it go walking > jogging > running...which would seem like jogging would be faster. Otherwise why wouldn't everyone just walk. lol
  • CherylYMerritt
    CherylYMerritt Posts: 114 Member
    great post Jeff!

    I too started out slowly, in time you will get faster.

    One thing that I have found is that interval training ie: go 1 min up (faster speed), one min down (walk speed), two min up, two down, three min up-increase speed by one each min, three min down....well you get the picture. I found this interval training to be a great help. I noticed a difference in my speed the more interval training i did.

    Also, as my husband says, work on your distance first, then work on your speed.

    I started with running three minutes, walking three, etc. It all takes time.

    I found that my ipod was a great help. ..."just make it to the end of this song."..was my mantra.

    Just looked back at our times, when we first started our miles were 15 min miles, three months in were are closer to 8 min miles.

    Patience is a great thing.

    Good Luck!
  • AlsDonkBoxSquat
    AlsDonkBoxSquat Posts: 6,128 Member
    I always tell people I'm slow as molasses. It's not about speed, it's about getting out there and moving and doing it. My theory is that I do what I can, and next time I do it better. I've been jogging the same route for the past 2 weeks and I'm excited to get out there tomorrow because when I was out on Wednesday I set a goal for tomorrow to conquer the "big hill" and then walk instead of the other way around.
  • Mamapengu
    Mamapengu Posts: 250
    "Jeff Galloway thinks that you must be a competitive runner who wins races before you can call yourself a real runner."

    I've always thought that was a bit drastic. Recreational basketball players still play basketball even though they won't ever play on a pro team, recreational golfers still golf even though they may never win an event, etc. So recreational runners who won't will a race still are runners.
  • drad81
    drad81 Posts: 28 Member
    As others have said, it's not the speed that matters, it's the motion in which you do it. Notice how much more tired and sweaty you get jogging rather than walking?

    Keep up the jogging no matter what pace it is.

    As Gpoitras said, a great idea to measure your progress and know if you're jogging to fast or slow is to get a heart rate monitor (great to calculate how many calories you're actually burning too) and work out what heart rate works best for you.

    First time I tried to jog 7km (and like you I swore I could walk faster than jog), I did it in just under an hour (55-58mins) and had to stop and walk a number of times. After using the heart rate monitor, I found that if I kept my heart rate at 150-160bpm I could do the whole 7kms only stopping once to walk. After a month that, I was doing the 7km jog in 43 minutes straight at a faster pace.
  • jlbay
    jlbay Posts: 473 Member
    Just going to "second" what several have said here.

    You should go at a pace that is comfortable so that you can keep running longer. You build endurance, then speed. I'm a former runner returning after many years off. I was amazed that my beginner jog was as slow as walking. It is normal! Keep at it and the speed will develop.

    If you run too fast for your level you: Won't enjoy it and won't stick to it; Might injure yourself; Won't be able to run as long and you want ENDURANCE first; Might cheat on form in order to maintain speed (thus developing a bad habit and possibly injure yourself). When I started running again, I didn't even look at speed or distance - just time! That's where you have to start: time spent running.

    When you're a beginner, your progression is faster and more dramatic. So, don't worry, you'll get faster before you know it. Just stick with it! Congrats on your new adventures in running!
  • sarahbear1981
    sarahbear1981 Posts: 610 Member
    3.0 is not jogging. It is not even walking very fast. My opinion is that the slowest jog is 4.0 at least. Personally I consider 6.5 a jog.

    Put back on the 102 lbs you have lost and then say 3.0 isn't a jog. Could you in all honesty really jog at 6.5 back then? Congrats on the weight loss though...Amazing.
  • RecliningFigure
    RecliningFigure Posts: 214 Member
    I love jogging and usually don't go over 5 mph. But I hurt my foot recently so I decided that I wasn't going to hurt it more by landing on it with the jog. So I slowed it down to a natural walk for my height and leg length and up'd the level really high. Low and behold, I burned 100+ more calories in the same time that I normally burn while jogging. My point is this, it's about what you can safely do at this point in your training. When I first started running, it was really really hard. I'd thought I would die after a minute. Even today, it takes a little effort and focus to get over the "hump." It may feel hard, but if you keep at it, you'll get there. Just pick a reasonable goal and go for it. If you can't do 3 miles, then start with 1 or 1 1/2. If it takes you twice as long to get there, so be it so long as you try to get there. And as it gets easier, and believe me, it WILL get easier slowly add difficulty either with speed or with level (incline). But I would like you to think about how you run if you're a beginner. Think about how you land and your joints. There are many wonderful sites on running. I tend to think of running as cardio work. It's about your heart rate and if you can walk faster than you can jog right now, I'm wondering if walking would be the more effective workout (for now). You may want to test it out by wearing a heart monitor to find out where you're burning more calories. Whatever you decide is best for you (where you can most safely last the longest and burn the most) just make sure to focus and stick to it! Before you know it, by next year, 5k will be nothing to you.
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