I started bulking and I can feel the fat...
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So even if you eat food extremely high on the GI as long as in that meal its balanced with low GI food. that High GI food has no affect on the rise of blood sugar in your body?
I never stated that is has no effect. I stated it has a greatly reduced effect. The only reason it would potentially have an effect is that High GI foods typically lack fiber and other nutrients so people are more apt to easily over consuming it. Doing so would lead to an overall larger caloric surplus. If, the caloric surplus is being held as a consistent level, it will not make a different on a carb versus carb basis. Now, impacting overall health... that's different.
As I said, you're in a caloric surplus anyway. Fat gain will occur no matter what. Nutrient timing comes in dead last in the overall picture, especially with your average person. Stop majoring in the minors and making things more difficult then they have to be.
OP, sit back and enjoy the bulking ride. If you're really that concerned about gaining fat too rapidly.. just cut back on your overall surplus and slowly increase it over time. Don't over think it.
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LolBroScience wrote: »I could spend hours writing about the Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load but it is pretty safe to keep it basic, but i will make it more clear
Eat foods that burn slowly throughout the day
Eat foods that burn up fast only first thing in morning and after a workout
So in other words... you don't know where else to take this conversation so you're going to repeat yourself, proceed to stick your fingers in your ears and make a bunch of noises like "I can't hear you"....got it.
Interesting... You could spend hours writing about glycemic load? Research admits that the study of glycemic load is almost nil. So what would you be basing your "hours of writing" on? Have you studied every meal combination and determined their glycemic load?
The fact is you haven't, and you throw these terms around to sound smart. The fact is glycemic index is based on ingesting solely carb sources in a fasted state - which isn't real world. Glycemic load, outside of diabetic or other medical issues, means nothing to the average person. CICO is the main determining factor in fat gain. Spiking insulin levels, slow vs fast digesting carbs, nutrient timing etc comes in dead last for an average, healthy individual.
Would you say that fat gain is possible in a caloric deficit if the carbs are high glycemic, or the load is high glycemic??0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
Hey bud,
I didn't make any claim. . .My point was that you were just looking for a internet argument either help someone out or gtfo. Why say Why???? Just help the person man! your saying he is wrong right? so why can't you back up your point as to why he is wrong?
what a waste of my time.
I wasn't directing it at you. It was in reference to the original quote. I'm not looking to argue. If someone is going to spread misinformation I will challenge it and ask why however.
I'm not really concerned with whether or not it is a "waste of your time", but sorry you feel that way.
Hey Man,
so your 'Why?' is referring to why only have High GI carbs first thing in the morning and immediately after training ?
first thing in the morning when you need to re fuel your body its ok and smae for after a workout but all other time when you're not doing much physical activity..
More insulin is released. A high insulin level promotes a quick storage of sugar in muscle and the liver. It also inhibits the hormone glucagon, which normally tells the body to burn stored fat. Forthcoming meals restore glycogen (especially if high glycemic) and the cycle keeps repeating. Thus, fat stores do not get touched and usually grow larger.
Blood sugar levels then drop quickly, leaving you hungry sooner. Suddenly, the body needs more fuel. But because glucagon is still in short supply, the body does not tap into its fat supply for energy.
If his problem is that he is gaining to much fat, and also by looking at his diet, this could be because he isnt buring his fat stores enough and he keeps adding to fat stores everytime he is eating high GI at lunch and other Sugary crap throughout the day, he has a goal of 100g of sugar, that needs to be closer to like 10g.
if you dont agree i would be interested to hear your thoughts.
cheers,
Insulin is anabolic though........just saying.
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I could spend hours writing about the Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load but it is pretty safe to keep it basic, but i will make it more clear
Eat foods that burn slowly throughout the day
Eat foods that burn up fast only first thing in morning and after a workout
And what you say still doesn't do much, the evidence just doesn't support any argument for it being superior to anything else where the caloric intake is negative to the same degree.
Have I heard of GL vs GI, have you heard of II? Have you studied biochem? We could go in circles of hours siting gurus but I prefer science and science isn't supporting GI as you would like to think it does.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I could spend hours writing about the Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load but it is pretty safe to keep it basic, but i will make it more clear
Eat foods that burn slowly throughout the day
Eat foods that burn up fast only first thing in morning and after a workout
And what you say still doesn't do much, the evidence just doesn't support any argument for it being superior to anything else where the caloric intake is negative to the same degree.
Have I heard of GL vs GI, have you heard of II? Have you studied biochem? We could go in circles of hours siting gurus but I prefer science and science isn't supporting GI as you would like to think it does.
When you say "it doesn't do much" can you support this claim with scientific evidence? Like a link to what exactly you are referring to please.
Can you show me what scientific evidence there is that doesn't support GI as "he thinks it does" ?
Thanks!0 -
Please check the Mayo Clinic. It shows that GI does not have any real advantages over any other diets. It's an option for those who want to lose weight, particularly for diabetics but it's not magic. There is no evidence to support that it produces better results for weight loss than any other diet.
ETA: ok including the link since you asked
mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/glycemic-index-diet/art-20048478?pg=2
There are many other studies etc but I don't want to just getting into a citation list when Mayo does a good job in an unbiased article.0 -
Just shut up and lift0
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These arguments about GI and GL being beneficial for weight loss are not particularly relevant in the 'gaining weight' section IMO
Both complex and simple carbs are needed during a bulk. Paying attention to GI or GL is pointless (unless there is an underlying medical issue) as fat gain while eating at surplus cannot be avoided
Being unhappy with the fat you gain during a bulk is more of a mental issue, the longer you can stand it, the more muscle you are going to build.0 -
These arguments about GI and GL being beneficial for weight loss are not particularly relevant in the 'gaining weight' section IMO
Both complex and simple carbs are needed during a bulk. Paying attention to GI or GL is pointless (unless there is an underlying medical issue) as fat gain while eating at surplus cannot be avoided
Being unhappy with the fat you gain during a bulk is more of a mental issue, the longer you can stand it, the more muscle you are going to build.
Very good points and spot on. I imagine that the perceived fat increases are more an issue in not understanding the bulking cycle. You will look softer and you will put on fat as you gain muscle but that's why you go into a cutting cycle after the bulking cycle.0 -
Has anyone here bothered to have a look at his food diary?
Based on your theory that it is just because of his calorie surplus is ridiculous, based on that you aren't defining whether it matters where the calories are lost, either carbs fats protein.0 -
Has anyone here bothered to have a look at his food diary?
Based on your theory that it is just because of his calorie surplus is ridiculous, based on that you aren't defining whether it matters where the calories are lost, either carbs fats protein.
What are you even saying?
His meals are balanced - protein, carbs, and fats in each meal.
He's in a surplus, energy is being stored - not lost.
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Has anyone here bothered to have a look at his food diary?
Based on your theory that it is just because of his calorie surplus is ridiculous, based on that you aren't defining whether it matters where the calories are lost, either carbs fats protein.
Looked at yours though.....apart from today, looks like you don't really get bulking.
Someone already asked you this but I'll ask again anyway. Are you saying that a surplus of, say, just protein would result in less or no fat gain?!?
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Has anyone here bothered to have a look at his food diary?
Based on your theory that it is just because of his calorie surplus is ridiculous, based on that you aren't defining whether it matters where the calories are lost, either carbs fats protein.
Looked at yours though.....apart from today, looks like you don't really get bulking.
Someone already asked you this but I'll ask again anyway. Are you saying that a surplus of, say, just protein would result in less or no fat gain?!?
Funny you mentioned that. Protein goal is also 350g, haha.0 -
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Jschorlms: incase you glance at mine, I'm cutting ATM. (FS probably doing it wrong with all that sugar though
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[quote="LolBroScience;30030463Funny you mentioned that. Protein goal is also 350g, haha.[/quote]
That's rather ambitious.0 -
That's rather ambitious.
And expensive I would imagine.
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So, basically I just need to stick with it and accept I'm going to gain some fat, then when I'm happy with the muscle gains, it's time to cut. I'm not sure what all this arguing is over, but thanks for all the information thus far. I guess it's more a mental battle ahead for me than a physical one.0
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Definitely a mental battle. Good luck bro. It is for me aswell.0
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julianpoutram wrote: »So, basically I just need to stick with it and accept I'm going to gain some fat, then when I'm happy with the muscle gains, it's time to cut. I'm not sure what all this arguing is over, but thanks for all the information thus far. I guess it's more a mental battle ahead for me than a physical one.
Yes, Stay the course. You will gain some fat it's unavoidable. If you're really that concerned, increase your calories slowly over time.
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Jschorlms: incase you glance at mine, I'm cutting ATM. (FS probably doing it wrong with all that sugar though)
I don't have to bother looking at yours, i can tell you are doing it wrong just by looking at your photos.
to answer your question, yes if you have a surplus, of course it matters if its fat/protein/carbs.
let me ask you another stupid question in return. If someone has a 2K calorie diet, would there be any difference if it was all Fat compared to if it was all Protein?
i will just answer for you in case you get it wrong, yeah of course it would.-2 -
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Jschorlms: incase you glance at mine, I'm cutting ATM. (FS probably doing it wrong with all that sugar though)
I don't have to bother looking at yours, i can tell you are doing it wrong just by looking at your photos.
to answer your question, yes if you have a surplus, of course it matters if its fat/protein/carbs.
let me ask you another stupid question in return. If someone has a 2K calorie diet, would there be any difference if it was all Fat compared to if it was all Protein?
i will just answer for you in case you get it wrong, yeah of course it would.
Of course macronutrients make a difference in terms of body composition. I have yet to see anyone arguing that. You're switching gears from the type of carbohydrates to the macronutrient breakdown of a diet. You die off on one topic and attempt to switch gears to something else...
Your protein goal is 350g... that's enough evidence to support you haven't the slightest clue how this all really works in the grand scheme of things...you obtain knowledge from a bunch of other bro's and regurgitate it without educating yourself.
How can you sit there bash her for putting forth an effort? That's rather low.
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I'm not new here, i was the one putting forward some suggestions for this guy based on what he is doing.
I am not changing gears, she asked me that question about the difference between macros when in surplus.
I put forward my suggestions because i have practiced them and they worked for me, all the other suggestions just say something along the lines of " it doesn't matter what you eat, if you just have to reduce your surplus"
Thanks for chipping in here mate but it wasn't needed.
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Jschorlms: incase you glance at mine, I'm cutting ATM. (FS probably doing it wrong with all that sugar though)
I don't have to bother looking at yours, i can tell you are doing it wrong just by looking at your photos.
to answer your question, yes if you have a surplus, of course it matters if its fat/protein/carbs.
let me ask you another stupid question in return. If someone has a 2K calorie diet, would there be any difference if it was all Fat compared to if it was all Protein?
i will just answer for you in case you get it wrong, yeah of course it would.
Probably shouldn't answer you again, further trashing OP thread, but hey ho. You didn't answer the question as you have no clue but nice body shaming attempt - I have thick skin to match my thick gut so whatever, have fun with your 'no carbs after 6' or whatever.
OP: there's great advice for you in this thread and your diet looks fine. Hopefully you can stick with it and see some great gains - I'll be joining you after this lousy 6 lb is gone for my second bulk, can't wait
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