Am I getting a worthwhile benefit?
CJReg119
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You guys are always so helpful so, thanks in advance. Brief background: 5 years ago, I lost about 80 pounds and then failed badly and gained it all back. I've decided to try again and have started back dieting and getting to the gym. For cardio, I do the the elliptical, although while I was up to 45 mins when I lost weight before, I can only do about 15 mins now. I hate exercise -- really hate it. It hurts, I look stupid and am always worried that I'm not going it "right." But I'm trying to "just do it" even though it produces lots of anxiety for me. I am one of those unfortunate few who does not receive the emotional/endorphin "high" from exercise like everyone else does. In fact, I often feel worse after going to the gym.
Yesterday, I got some disappointing info that the elliptical work burns hardly any calories! I can't get a reliable reading off the machine (I go to Planet Fitness) but have looked at sites including this one and the info on calories burned for 20 mins is only about 200 to 300 cals. Seems hardly worth the discomfort - physical and emotional -- for such little benefit. Hell, I did some gardening last week and the data on that was WAY higher than killing myself on the elliptical!
So, my question is: is doing cardio (at the limited amount I can do it - 15 mins or so at loser level 2 or 3 even worth it? (my BF does like 45 mins to an hour at upwards of level 17 to 20 - he says he started low too I still feel like I can't compete.) What benefit might I be getting? I have REALLY bad knees so the elliptical is about all I can do (vs. running or something like that.) I'm so disappointed that now that I feel like quitting again but I know that's really not the answer. Should I give up on the cardio if no really benefit? I appreciate whatever thoughts (or kicks in the *kitten*!! :>) you all might be willing to share. Thanks much.
Yesterday, I got some disappointing info that the elliptical work burns hardly any calories! I can't get a reliable reading off the machine (I go to Planet Fitness) but have looked at sites including this one and the info on calories burned for 20 mins is only about 200 to 300 cals. Seems hardly worth the discomfort - physical and emotional -- for such little benefit. Hell, I did some gardening last week and the data on that was WAY higher than killing myself on the elliptical!
So, my question is: is doing cardio (at the limited amount I can do it - 15 mins or so at loser level 2 or 3 even worth it? (my BF does like 45 mins to an hour at upwards of level 17 to 20 - he says he started low too I still feel like I can't compete.) What benefit might I be getting? I have REALLY bad knees so the elliptical is about all I can do (vs. running or something like that.) I'm so disappointed that now that I feel like quitting again but I know that's really not the answer. Should I give up on the cardio if no really benefit? I appreciate whatever thoughts (or kicks in the *kitten*!! :>) you all might be willing to share. Thanks much.
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I'd say find something you enjoy. I do very little cardio as I hate it but I do love strength training - not the same calorie burn obviously but I get my deficit from my diet.
Doing something you enjoy will help you stick to it be it the elliptical, running, dancing, swimming or a sport - if you have fun, you'll be more inclined to do it consistently.0 -
Swimming is a good and is easy on the joints and stuff too. I love it as I find it impossible to stress while swimming!0
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Does your gym have a rower? That is the best form of cardio that you can do without any impact on your joints. There are lots of resources online regarding starting a rowing regimen and different types of suggested interval workouts. You will torch calories on the rower!0
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I'd say find something you enjoy. I do very little cardio as I hate it but I do love strength training - not the same calorie burn obviously but I get my deficit from my diet.
Doing something you enjoy will help you stick to it be it the elliptical, running, dancing, swimming or a sport - if you have fun, you'll be more inclined to do it consistently.
^^^ this. Maybe a class or walking or biking or tennis or... doesn't really matter as long as you're moving and getting a good sweat going. You could also invest in a heart rate monitor to see how much you really are burning. Machine readouts often aren't accurate.0 -
Thanks, all. Yes, I've heard the message to "find something you enjoy" before and that makes total sense. However, I don't enjoy any of it! I'm not good at it, it hurts and I look ridiculous! And now, to the point of my post here, I'm not really sure if it's beneficial. that's what I'm looking for info on -- do you guys think the cardio is doing me any good at only losing (maybe) 250 or so calories??
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Cardio doesn't have to hurt. No need to jump right into any hardcore stuff. If you hate what you're doing to lose you'll just regain again anyway.
Walking for an hour would be great. Nice way to clear your head and get your zen on as well.
If work is far enough away, walking to and from could make a pretty big dent calorie-wise.0 -
Yes. It's beneficial. There are countless studies to show that exercise is good for you.0
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Any time you exercise, it's worth it.
And as has been suggested, find something you enjoy. I like to bike, swim, jump trampoline, hike and ski, so my cardio is integrated into a lifestyle.
I lost over 80 pounds and have kept it off for 3 years.
YOU CAN DO IT!0 -
The elliptical is my primary weapon of choice for losing weight. You say that 15 mins is the limit that you can do but I don't believe you. You were already at 45. If I use your "loser level" lower number for 45 mins that gives you 500. 7 days at 500 gives you a pound of fat loss.
At the rate you are going, that's still half a pound a week and definitely worth it. Plus there are the cardiovascular benefits you gain as well. Not bad if you can combine it with eating within/below your calorie limits.
The only person you need to compete against is your self. The elliptical I use has a HRM monitor build in and all try to do is to get my heart rate at 70% max. I pump the tunes that I really like and I can go for a long time.
You just have to work up to it again and find away to compete against yourself. If gardening is your thing, then hey - garden. I burn a lot of calories mowing the lawn. all you really need to do is to keep active and eat within your limits.0 -
....do you guys think the cardio is doing me any good at only losing (maybe) 250 or so calories??
The point is not that you burn calories, but that you develop a cardiac base. As you're working at very low intensity you're not going to be getting any improvements to lactate threshold or VO2Max, but you need to start somewhere.
If you're after validation of a decision not to do any CV work, don't do any CV work. It's entirely up to you.
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I don't know your area or resources but a deep water class (done in the deep end with a floatation belt) is a great workout and very little intimidation, the classes I go all the participants are old. Walking as someone else mentioned is a great exercise, free, and pretty hard to do wrong
Exercise is very good for you, regardless of the calorie burn. Do you want to just be skinny, then yes diet alone will work, but if you want to be healthy then you need to find something that you enjoy. So ultimately the choice is yours. What is your goal?0 -
Yes, it is doing you good. Doesn't matter that you're not burning loads of calories yet, you're still doing a good thing for your heart. You might look at some intensity information...I have only read a little bit about it, but you work as hard as you can for 20 seconds or so and then ease back for 40, hard again for 20, back for 40...something like that, as many reps as you can. Get someone who actually knows to advise you. It is supposed to be even more effective than just trudging along til you fall off.
That said, I do very little cardio <blush>, but I am really enjoying the strength training on the machines. I just started a week ago and can only do very light weights so far. We have Snap Fitness locally, but I really want to move to Planet Fitness by the first of the year. It's a farther drive but I love the the big open layout and the generous locker room set-up. It doesn't bother me a bit to ask if I'm set up right or if my form is OK and I don't care that others are able to do loads more. I'm there for ME.0 -
BTW, I started two months ago barely able to walk 15 minutes, I'm now walking over 5k in an hour (with a bit of lame running in the middle.) It's about baby steps!0
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250-300 calories is nothing to be sniffed at! That's half a meal for me, LOL. If I can burn that in 20 minutes - woohoo! I've always thought that was a lot!
But I'm like you, I don't like to "exercise". So when I decided I needed to do something, I figured I wouldn't bother with the gym and thought outside the square. I took up taekwondo and 10 months on, I LOVE it. Sure, it took a while before I didn't feel a little foolish, this fat lady in a class full of people half my size and age, but it's so accepting and such a great environment. Now I'm a blue belt, help out with coaching the newbies, I'm in the advanced class and will be competing in the next state championships.
What I'm saying is - if you hate traditional exercise, try something a little different. Dance, martial arts, calisthenics, swimming, kyacking... just something that gets you moving that you can work on improving. It doesn't have to suck0 -
The elliptical is totally worth it, and you will get better and stronger really fast. It doesn't have to be fun, I know people say that but don't let it be an excuse to fall off.
The 200 calories I burn in the morning becomes a guilt-free bag of popcorn and a fudgesicle at night. Plenty worth it to me
Gawd I love fudgesicles.
PS it takes me 35-40 minutes to burn those calories so enjoy your superior calorie burning ability!0 -
What kind of burn do you think you should be getting to be "worth it"? I consider 200-300 calories on a 20-30 minute workout doing pretty well. I agree with getting a heart rate monitor if you want a more accurate estimate. What gardening are you doing that burns more calories than the elliptical? Maybe that's just an overestimation.
I agree with what others have said that you need to find something you enjoy and isn't painful. You say you don't enjoy any of it. I find it hard to believe you've tried everything out there. Maybe the gym isn't your thing, but you love walking outside. Try to walk for an hour everyday? Swimming sounds great if you've got access to a pool and you like that. Zumba? Pilates? Some are more intense and will get more calorie burn per minute, but they all have benefits, so does strength training (which has lower calorie burns than most cardio, but is still great for your health) if you really want an option besides cardio. And you generally aren't comfortable and feel silly looking when you start something new. You have to find your way to deal with it; you're taking this journey to improve your health because you want to (hopefully) and it can't matter what anyone else thinks. As your body gets used to the movements, maybe you'll feel less "stupid". Good luck0 -
I think we all feel silly and awkward when we start doing new things! I know I do!
There have been quite a few studies done showing that when it comes to our overall health, regular exercise may be MORE important than how much we weigh. So even if it doesn't contribute much in terms of calorie burn, it's probably a good idea to find a way to incorporate it in your life.
Walking is a great suggestion, maybe also going on hikes in nature, taking bike rides, etc. None of that will make you feel silly, and it might be more enjoyable than being trapped in the gym. You could also rent exercise videos... yoga makes me feel ridiculous, but every once in a while I pull out the DVD when I'm home alone and no one is around to laugh at me.
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It takes me over an hour to burn 200 cal now I am at my goal weight. Still, it is saved for my glasses of wine at the weekend.
If you hate the feel of sweat, and land based cardio is hard on your joints, try aqua fit (shallow or deep, I prefer shallow as I am not comfortable in deep water).
It is fun, no one can see what you are doing in the water, and you can up your intensity as you get more comfortable with your moves.
Even the cardio you are doing now is so worth it. The benefits go way beyond a 200 cal burn. You just need to try a few more alternate ways of doing it.
Good luck, h0 -
Dr. Yoni Freedhoff's exercise mantra applies: "Some is good. More is better. Everything counts." (See his recent book The Diet Fix.)
200 calories might not seem like a lot, but it makes a difference. Depending on your calorie goal, it can be a 10-15% increase in daily calories. That, in turn, makes it a lot easier to stick to a calorie deficit.
That said, I think 200-300 calories for 20 minutes of elliptical is an exaggeration. That's 600-900 calories an hour. I'm now a 153-pound guy, and to burn 600 calories I need to bicycle 70-90 minutes, run for 45 minutes at an 8:00 pace, or row at 160 watts for 11000 meters (which takes 48 minutes).0 -
You dont look stupid! You look like everyone else, who also probably thinks they looks stupid... riding the elliptical.
If you stick at it and do small increments in time you will get your fitness and time up. Pick those days you know you can do more and go for it.
PS what is a fudgesicle?
Just googled it.. OMG its a chocolate icy. YUM.0 -
You don't have to do cardio to lose weight. It is however great for your heart. It will also help to speed up your weight loss. It also allows you more calories a day to eat. That is just a couple reasons to do it. More to eat, helps you lose weight and get in shape faster and is great for your heart. Looking rediculous and a little bit of pain do not seem like good enough reasons to stop doing it if you ask me. Keep at it, it will get easier.0
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blueblueheart wrote: »Cardio doesn't have to hurt. No need to jump right into any hardcore stuff. If you hate what you're doing to lose you'll just regain again anyway.
Walking for an hour would be great. Nice way to clear your head and get your zen on as well.
If work is far enough away, walking to and from could make a pretty big dent calorie-wise.
I walk to work and from work each day. It's only 10 minutes each way but it's still 20 minutes total each day. And according to MFP and other sites, I'm buring 107 cals for that walk. That's something. Better than nothing.
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I HATE working out too. I used to do it all the time because I felt like I HAD to. I had lost about 70lbs and I wanted to keep it off. I would do 1hr of elliptical at level 15 and I would beat myself up if I didn't.
Now I gained it all back and more. We have an elliptical at home and I'm lucky if I can do 8 minutes at level 4! I just cannot do more. I HATE it.
I too have knee problems. One I busted in a step class because one girl was wayyyy too close to me and had no idea what she was doing, she twirled the wrong way and hit me and I smacked the knee at a weird angle right off the cement floor. Ooops! Since then, it's never been the same.
There's this machine, I forget what it's called, it's a mix between an elliptical and a stairmaster and it was beautiful. It burned 2x the calories of an elliptical AND it did NOT hurt my knees at all. If only I could remember what it was called...
Otherwise, what I do is walk. WALK WALK WALK. It's easy on the knees, burns calories, makes it worth it, it's free, no pressure, no one watching, nothing out of the ordinary. Moving is better than sedentary.0 -
To me, it's worth it. I burn about 300-400 calories for every 35-45 minutes I workout on the elliptical. That means I can have a big dinner or more snacks throughout the day and still stick to my calorie goal. I've lost 10 lbs in just under 2 months doing this. Sure, that's not a ton of weight, but it's definitely something!0
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Focus on creating a calorie deficit by adjusting your diet. Exercise has been shown time and time again to be a really poor modality for weight loss (because people over-esimate their burn and over-compensate by eating more etc.). Exercise, as some of the others have touched on, IS however great for overall health so you should do it for that reason.0
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I don't do a lot of cardio, but sometimes I'll do a short 10 minutes just so I can eat 100 extra calories for dinner. THAT makes it worth it to me. Besides all the health benefits blah blah blah0
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Dr. Yoni Freedhoff's exercise mantra applies: "Some is good. More is better. Everything counts." (See his recent book The Diet Fix.)
200 calories might not seem like a lot, but it makes a difference. Depending on your calorie goal, it can be a 10-15% increase in daily calories. That, in turn, makes it a lot easier to stick to a calorie deficit.
That said, I think 200-300 calories for 20 minutes of elliptical is an exaggeration. That's 600-900 calories an hour. I'm now a 153-pound guy, and to burn 600 calories I need to bicycle 70-90 minutes, run for 45 minutes at an 8:00 pace, or row at 160 watts for 11000 meters (which takes 48 minutes).
The data varies all over the place which is extremely frustrating! It could all be an exaggeration. The 200 was on the low side of my research. Some sites stated the cals burned at upwards of 500! This is hard enough but with variable data makes it confusing, too. With your info here, I'm probably burning like 50 cals for killing myself for that 20 mins on the elliptical
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extremelygrumpycat wrote: »I HATE working out too. I used to do it all the time because I felt like I HAD to. I had lost about 70lbs and I wanted to keep it off. I would do 1hr of elliptical at level 15 and I would beat myself up if I didn't.
Now I gained it all back and more. We have an elliptical at home and I'm lucky if I can do 8 minutes at level 4! I just cannot do more. I HATE it.
I too have knee problems. One I busted in a step class because one girl was wayyyy too close to me and had no idea what she was doing, she twirled the wrong way and hit me and I smacked the knee at a weird angle right off the cement floor. Ooops! Since then, it's never been the same.
There's this machine, I forget what it's called, it's a mix between an elliptical and a stairmaster and it was beautiful. It burned 2x the calories of an elliptical AND it did NOT hurt my knees at all. If only I could remember what it was called...
Otherwise, what I do is walk. WALK WALK WALK. It's easy on the knees, burns calories, makes it worth it, it's free, no pressure, no one watching, nothing out of the ordinary. Moving is better than sedentary.
I am so sorry about your knee! I know how painful bad knees can be. Are you talking about the ARC trainer machine?? Sort of looks like that old "Gazel" thing some guy named Tony sold on TV? They have those Arc machines at my Planet Fitness0 -
The only way for most of us without expensive equipment to really get an accurate calorie burn for physical activity is to accurately count calories eaten, then compare weight loss/gain with calories eaten. Begin by using the best estimate you can find of calorie burn, and then correct it based on results.
Regardless of calorie burn, exercise has many positive effects on health and well-being. Gretchen Reynolds's book The First Twenty Minutes documents some (but has no references); Alex Hutchinson's book Which Comes First, Cardio or Weights?, documents more and has references to research publications.0
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