Help with Sugar Withdrawals

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  • marlovs78
    marlovs78 Posts: 75 Member
    edited November 2014
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    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Carbs are not required by the human body
    I was about to tear you apart for this, but then I looked up some things, and apparently this is true. (source available on request) However the information said that the effects of long term extreme carbohydrate restriction have not been studied. It would be close to impossible to live on zero carbohydrate, I personally don't believe in sugar "addiction" or withdrawal. No science to back that up. All in the sufferer's head.

  • 50sFit
    50sFit Posts: 712 Member
    edited November 2014
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    bwahahahaha...they flagged this one, too...keep it up...I don't mind.
    Some can't live without creating drama...lol
    The poor moderators must cringe with how some act with their flag finger.

  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    marlovs78 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Carbs are not required by the human body
    I was about to tear you apart for this, but then I looked up some things, and apparently this is true. (source available on request) However the information said that the effects of long term extreme carbohydrate restriction have not been studied. It would be close to impossible to live on zero carbohydrate, I personally don't believe in sugar "addiction" or withdrawal. No science to back that up. All in the sufferer's head.

    Actually, they are not dietary essential but they are physiologically essential, which is why we have gluconeogenesis. Aside from the requirement for glucose to power sustain intensive aerobic activity, such as running long distances, our brains require glucose because there are neurons in the brain that are too small for mitochondria and thus they can only get their ATP supplied from glycolysis. Ketones can be used as an alternate source in most brain cells but can never be used where there are no mitochondria.
  • Charlottesometimes23
    Charlottesometimes23 Posts: 687 Member
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    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    LiveLaughLoveEat1 if my statement was not true I would not have made the statement initially. I post with my real name to encourage myself to be helpful when on the web. I will not with intent post false information.

    Carbs are optionally as in "Not Essentially Required" for human life.

    Please stop posting otherwise.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/75/5/951.2.full

    http://www.carbohydratescankill.com/2717/there-essential-carbohydrates

    http://graemethomasonline.com/carbohydrate-daily-requirements/ This link is a good read about carbs. Carbs can be nice but they are not required and in excess they can be harmful to live.

    Folks we need to understand diet requirements and how food works inside our bodies if we are going to increase the success of Americans dieting to greater than the current 10% success rate of losing and keep the weight off for the rest of one's life.

    We also need to understand that the 'carbs aren't required advice' has the potential to be very dangerous. Maybe you should have a read about some of the animal studies they're doing on pregnant rodents. For obvious reasons, they can't do similar human studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656724
    "The increasing use of the ketogenic diet (KD), particularly by women of child-bearing age, raises a question about its suitability during gestation. To date, no studies have thoroughly investigated the direct implications of a gestational ketogenic diet on embryonic development.
    A ketogenic diet during gestation results in alterations in embryonic organ growth. Such alterations may be associated with organ dysfunction and potentially behavioral changes in postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24168053
    "A gestational ketogenic diet deleteriously affects maternal fertility and increases susceptibility to fatal ketoacidosis during lactation. Prenatal and early postnatal exposure to a ketogenic diet also results in significant alterations to neonatal brain structure, and results in retarded physiological growth. These alterations could be accompanied by functional and behavioural changes in later postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3772523
    "All pups born to zero-glucose dams died by d 4. Pup survival to d 7 was 48% at 4% glucose and 84% at 12% glucose. The data demonstrate that maternal dietary carbohydrate is required for fetal growth, normal parturition and postnatal survival of rat pups. The results indicate that late gestation, parturition and the neonatal period may be especially vulnerable to maternal carbohydrate deprivation"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2398413
    "Evidence for a critical period during late gestation when maternal dietary carbohydrate is essential for survival of newborn rats"
  • Relajuice
    Relajuice Posts: 24 Member
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    I was told that if you take an Aleve and drink a few ounces of Gatorade your symptoms will improve. Within a week or two you will be feeling fine.
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,273 Member
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    Relajuice wrote: »
    I was told that if you take an Aleve and drink a few ounces of Gatorade your symptoms will improve. Within a week or two you will be feeling fine.
    Probably...bottle of gatorade, 34g of sugar...
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,273 Member
    edited November 2014
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    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    LiveLaughLoveEat1 if my statement was not true I would not have made the statement initially. I post with my real name to encourage myself to be helpful when on the web. I will not with intent post false information.

    Carbs are optionally as in "Not Essentially Required" for human life.

    Please stop posting otherwise.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/75/5/951.2.full

    http://www.carbohydratescankill.com/2717/there-essential-carbohydrates

    http://graemethomasonline.com/carbohydrate-daily-requirements/ This link is a good read about carbs. Carbs can be nice but they are not required and in excess they can be harmful to live.

    Folks we need to understand diet requirements and how food works inside our bodies if we are going to increase the success of Americans dieting to greater than the current 10% success rate of losing and keep the weight off for the rest of one's life.

    We also need to understand that the 'carbs aren't required advice' has the potential to be very dangerous. Maybe you should have a read about some of the animal studies they're doing on pregnant rodents. For obvious reasons, they can't do similar human studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656724
    "The increasing use of the ketogenic diet (KD), particularly by women of child-bearing age, raises a question about its suitability during gestation. To date, no studies have thoroughly investigated the direct implications of a gestational ketogenic diet on embryonic development.
    A ketogenic diet during gestation results in alterations in embryonic organ growth. Such alterations may be associated with organ dysfunction and potentially behavioral changes in postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24168053
    "A gestational ketogenic diet deleteriously affects maternal fertility and increases susceptibility to fatal ketoacidosis during lactation. Prenatal and early postnatal exposure to a ketogenic diet also results in significant alterations to neonatal brain structure, and results in retarded physiological growth. These alterations could be accompanied by functional and behavioural changes in later postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3772523
    "All pups born to zero-glucose dams died by d 4. Pup survival to d 7 was 48% at 4% glucose and 84% at 12% glucose. The data demonstrate that maternal dietary carbohydrate is required for fetal growth, normal parturition and postnatal survival of rat pups. The results indicate that late gestation, parturition and the neonatal period may be especially vulnerable to maternal carbohydrate deprivation"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2398413
    "Evidence for a critical period during late gestation when maternal dietary carbohydrate is essential for survival of newborn rats"

    Why did this post get flagged as spam? She cited her references. GaleHawkins...did you do this because you were upset that she basically "called you out"...how sad for you.

    Yes, it was an excellent post. Scientific evidence is disparaged by zealots as a last resort.
  • 50sFit
    50sFit Posts: 712 Member
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    FredDoyle wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    LiveLaughLoveEat1 if my statement was not true I would not have made the statement initially. I post with my real name to encourage myself to be helpful when on the web. I will not with intent post false information.

    Carbs are optionally as in "Not Essentially Required" for human life.

    Please stop posting otherwise.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/75/5/951.2.full

    http://www.carbohydratescankill.com/2717/there-essential-carbohydrates

    http://graemethomasonline.com/carbohydrate-daily-requirements/ This link is a good read about carbs. Carbs can be nice but they are not required and in excess they can be harmful to live.

    Folks we need to understand diet requirements and how food works inside our bodies if we are going to increase the success of Americans dieting to greater than the current 10% success rate of losing and keep the weight off for the rest of one's life.

    We also need to understand that the 'carbs aren't required advice' has the potential to be very dangerous. Maybe you should have a read about some of the animal studies they're doing on pregnant rodents. For obvious reasons, they can't do similar human studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656724
    "The increasing use of the ketogenic diet (KD), particularly by women of child-bearing age, raises a question about its suitability during gestation. To date, no studies have thoroughly investigated the direct implications of a gestational ketogenic diet on embryonic development.
    A ketogenic diet during gestation results in alterations in embryonic organ growth. Such alterations may be associated with organ dysfunction and potentially behavioral changes in postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24168053
    "A gestational ketogenic diet deleteriously affects maternal fertility and increases susceptibility to fatal ketoacidosis during lactation. Prenatal and early postnatal exposure to a ketogenic diet also results in significant alterations to neonatal brain structure, and results in retarded physiological growth. These alterations could be accompanied by functional and behavioural changes in later postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3772523
    "All pups born to zero-glucose dams died by d 4. Pup survival to d 7 was 48% at 4% glucose and 84% at 12% glucose. The data demonstrate that maternal dietary carbohydrate is required for fetal growth, normal parturition and postnatal survival of rat pups. The results indicate that late gestation, parturition and the neonatal period may be especially vulnerable to maternal carbohydrate deprivation"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2398413
    "Evidence for a critical period during late gestation when maternal dietary carbohydrate is essential for survival of newborn rats"

    Why did this post get flagged as spam? She cited her references. GaleHawkins...did you do this because you were upset that she basically "called you out"...how sad for you.

    Yes, it was an excellent post. Scientific evidence is disparaged by zealots as a last resort.
    Fanaticism is the brother of doubt and the enemy of science.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,139 Member
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    in…to see where this goes….i see gale is at it again ...
  • blktngldhrt
    blktngldhrt Posts: 1,053 Member
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    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    No. Carbs are not required. I would be close to death right now if they were.
  • blktngldhrt
    blktngldhrt Posts: 1,053 Member
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    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Kenda2427 wrote: »
    Sugar withdrawal is painful. I am a Pepsi addict and quit again as of July 20th, the first week was horrible, terrible headaches, extreme cravings, cranky had to take a lot of Advil to help manage the headaches but it does pass. The first week is the worst and then it gets better, hang in there!

    Sugar is not physically addictive. Your symptoms sound like caffeine withdrawal, not sugar.
    This. Caffeine withdrawal is a *kitten*.
  • blktngldhrt
    blktngldhrt Posts: 1,053 Member
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    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    blktngldhrt wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    No. Carbs are not required. I would be close to death right now if they were.

    lol...go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

    I have a medical condition that makes eating over a certain amount of carbs dangerous. I'm not zero carb but I am low carb. I have to be.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
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    You can't get rid of sugar. Even if you took in NO carbs, your body would make sugar. It requires that.

    There is no way to get rid of it.
  • blktngldhrt
    blktngldhrt Posts: 1,053 Member
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    Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    LiveLaughLoveEat1 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    Chief_Rocka wrote: »
    Your body makes the sugar it needs from complex carbs

    Or protein if you are eating low carb. Carbs are not required by the human body and without carbs or <100 grams daily you will go into nutritional ketosis. Cutting out all forms of sugar may mean you are in a state of ketosis now.

    That can make you feel like you have the flu for a few days or longer but then you become keto adapted and are off sugar but with more energy typically.

    um, yes it does...lol...

    LiveLaughLoveEat1 if my statement was not true I would not have made the statement initially. I post with my real name to encourage myself to be helpful when on the web. I will not with intent post false information.

    Carbs are optionally as in "Not Essentially Required" for human life.

    Please stop posting otherwise.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/75/5/951.2.full

    http://www.carbohydratescankill.com/2717/there-essential-carbohydrates

    http://graemethomasonline.com/carbohydrate-daily-requirements/ This link is a good read about carbs. Carbs can be nice but they are not required and in excess they can be harmful to live.

    Folks we need to understand diet requirements and how food works inside our bodies if we are going to increase the success of Americans dieting to greater than the current 10% success rate of losing and keep the weight off for the rest of one's life.

    We also need to understand that the 'carbs aren't required advice' has the potential to be very dangerous. Maybe you should have a read about some of the animal studies they're doing on pregnant rodents. For obvious reasons, they can't do similar human studies.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656724
    "The increasing use of the ketogenic diet (KD), particularly by women of child-bearing age, raises a question about its suitability during gestation. To date, no studies have thoroughly investigated the direct implications of a gestational ketogenic diet on embryonic development.
    A ketogenic diet during gestation results in alterations in embryonic organ growth. Such alterations may be associated with organ dysfunction and potentially behavioral changes in postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24168053
    "A gestational ketogenic diet deleteriously affects maternal fertility and increases susceptibility to fatal ketoacidosis during lactation. Prenatal and early postnatal exposure to a ketogenic diet also results in significant alterations to neonatal brain structure, and results in retarded physiological growth. These alterations could be accompanied by functional and behavioural changes in later postnatal life."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3772523
    "All pups born to zero-glucose dams died by d 4. Pup survival to d 7 was 48% at 4% glucose and 84% at 12% glucose. The data demonstrate that maternal dietary carbohydrate is required for fetal growth, normal parturition and postnatal survival of rat pups. The results indicate that late gestation, parturition and the neonatal period may be especially vulnerable to maternal carbohydrate deprivation"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2398413
    "Evidence for a critical period during late gestation when maternal dietary carbohydrate is essential for survival of newborn rats"

    This is very interesting. Thank you for posting.

    I know many women who have had full term healthy babies while eating a low carb diet (but not what is considered very low carb/low enough for ketosis). Obviously pregnancy has different nutritional requirements for the developing fetus.

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