Best lifting program for women?
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I didn't say that, now did I?
ermagerds, da deads are breakin' ever'bodySabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
Ya know... nothing heavier than pink dumbbells.0 -
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
You're making 5 lb jumps in between sessions0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
You're making 5 lb jumps in between sessions
I am? Or it is?
I'm just telling you what the app said. It had a disclaimer.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
That just means that a man's lifting weight will probably increase faster than a woman. That has nothing to do with going too heavy too soon. If I pull a bodyweight deadlift at 175 lbs, and the guy next to me pulls a bodyweight deadlift at 225, theoretically we're both applying the same effort to that life. He just weighs more than me, therefore has to move more weight. He'll be able to add 10 lbs to that lift, whereas I might only be able to add 5 lbs at a time. It's proportionate.0 -
lol.
but it says for women.0 -
And when I used the app there was no ability to do that adjustment. *IT* decided the increases. Is it better now? great.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
That just means that a man's lifting weight will probably increase faster than a woman. That has nothing to do with going too heavy too soon. If I pull a bodyweight deadlift at 175 lbs, and the guy next to me pulls a bodyweight deadlift at 225, theoretically we're both applying the same effort to that life. He just weighs more than me, therefore has to move more weight. He'll be able to add 10 lbs to that lift, whereas I might only be able to add 5 lbs at a time. It's proportionate.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
Ya know... nothing heavier than pink dumbbells.
ok, I'm out. It's getting silly now.
OP: Please get some assistance on proper form as you begin your weight training. Best of luck. You'll like the changes you see in your body. Cheers.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And when I used the app there was no ability to do that adjustment. *IT* decided the increases. Is it better now? great.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
That just means that a man's lifting weight will probably increase faster than a woman. That has nothing to do with going too heavy too soon. If I pull a bodyweight deadlift at 175 lbs, and the guy next to me pulls a bodyweight deadlift at 225, theoretically we're both applying the same effort to that life. He just weighs more than me, therefore has to move more weight. He'll be able to add 10 lbs to that lift, whereas I might only be able to add 5 lbs at a time. It's proportionate.
You're just making things up as you go. You've always been able to adjust weight for the day, both in app, and out of app.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And when I used the app there was no ability to do that adjustment. *IT* decided the increases. Is it better now? great.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
That just means that a man's lifting weight will probably increase faster than a woman. That has nothing to do with going too heavy too soon. If I pull a bodyweight deadlift at 175 lbs, and the guy next to me pulls a bodyweight deadlift at 225, theoretically we're both applying the same effort to that life. He just weighs more than me, therefore has to move more weight. He'll be able to add 10 lbs to that lift, whereas I might only be able to add 5 lbs at a time. It's proportionate.
Um, so use pen and paper? Just because you can't follow the program correctly doesn't mean you should prevent someone else from using a good program.
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OP, read this, might be interesting to you.
http://www.t-nation.com/training/women-shouldnt-train-like-men
I generally train 'like a man' hitting major muscle groups hard once a week, have been for years now. I did not develop the body the author is describing, in fact, I won overall in figure. My body responded well and I developed a feminine 'V' shape. I think this article makes a generalization that all women are built the same and our muscles all react the same. Based on the variety of body types and categories at body building shows, specifically women, I would have to disagree with this article.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And when I used the app there was no ability to do that adjustment. *IT* decided the increases. Is it better now? great.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
That just means that a man's lifting weight will probably increase faster than a woman. That has nothing to do with going too heavy too soon. If I pull a bodyweight deadlift at 175 lbs, and the guy next to me pulls a bodyweight deadlift at 225, theoretically we're both applying the same effort to that life. He just weighs more than me, therefore has to move more weight. He'll be able to add 10 lbs to that lift, whereas I might only be able to add 5 lbs at a time. It's proportionate.
Um, so use pen and paper? Just because you can't follow the program correctly doesn't mean you should prevent someone else from using a good program.
This.0 -
I am doing a weight lifting program by Chalene Johnson called Chalean Extreme, You can get it through Beachbody. I love it, I has help me a lot and I am 60 years old. You should go on tp Beachbody websight and check her out. I am also doing her Piyo which I also love
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dlvuyovich wrote: »OP, read this, might be interesting to you.
http://www.t-nation.com/training/women-shouldnt-train-like-men
I generally train 'like a man' hitting major muscle groups hard once a week, have been for years now. I did not develop the body the author is describing, in fact, I won overall in figure. My body responded well and I developed a feminine 'V' shape. I think this article makes a generalization that all women are built the same and our muscles all react the same. Based on the variety of body types and categories at body building shows, specifically women, I would have to disagree with this article.
I read the article yesterday and with the majority of the articles on Tnation, thought it was pretty poorly written with a bunch of sweeping generalizations as well..0 -
Hah, I'll give you that, but the CF + PEDs one was good.
I was just throwing gas on the fire.
Women fought for, and won the right to train like a man back when they got the vote. 0 -
Men and women can and should train the same way.0
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Same here. Download the application and It would tell you that the program starts with the bar only (45 pounds). also it tells you how much you have to add each time. I love it because it takes only 45 minutes, I feel stronger and look tone.wolfsbayne wrote: »I started with 5x5 with great results. Never lifted before.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Well, when *I* used the app there was a disclaimer saying the increases were based on men and that women should adjust, but that the app didn't have an adjustment. Have they changed that? I dunno. That was, what 3 years ago maybe.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And if you use the 5x5 app, as a woman, it's easy to go too heavy too soon. I've seen it. The OP says she's pretty much a noob at lifting. I'm gonna go with: get with someone good the first few times.cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I've seen a number of people (not working with a trainer, or someone seasoned) hurt their backs on the deads. I like 5x5, just not sure it's the best "first timer" program.LolBroScience wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I see folks saying start with 5x5. But as someone who's lifted for 20ish years, I wouldn't start there. If you haven't lifted before, find something else. New Rules of weight lifting for women, starting strength, something.
Why, out of curiosity?
If she works with someone a few times on form for all the moves, sure.
The program doesn't call for 5x5 on the deads though. Someone who doesn't understand that and bangs them out as a beginner - yeah, that's gonna lead to injury.
I also think there is a tendency to go too heavy too soon rather than following the program as prescribed. People do the same thing with Starting Strength, which is basically the same program in a 3x5 format.
Regardless of the program, you're going to want someone to check your form, particularly on deads and squats.
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda stuck on the "as a woman". Please explain.
Yes it has an adjustment, just have to press where the weight is and just decrease. Also if you missed workouts, you have to decrease the weight too.0
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