I became vegetarian and heres what happened....

FlowboskiTheProphet
edited November 2014 in Health and Weight Loss
Ok guys and girls....random topic I thought I would ask about. I am both confused and dumbfounded, while also being very happy at my success.

I was on a strict diet, 1500-1800 calories a day. I'm a male who was only slightly overweight (30-40 pounds) and wanted to lose it to see his abs. In a shirt I looked skinny with a little bit of a bulge where my belly was.

I started dieting relentlessly, I walked 20KM a day and only ate 1500-1800 calories a day. My body was starving and on the point of exhaustion for almost 2 months. I had lost about 15 pounds doing this before I realized I couldn't continue. I stressed myself about ever pound and worked tirelessly around the clock eating WAY to little, and having WAY to much excercise. I lost 15 pounds in 2 months and was very suprised to see how little of a difference it seemed to make on my body. I looked the same overall.

I couldn't continue. I did more and more research and seen pictures of people who were light-weight but had too much body fat and who worked out and actually GAINED weight but also a great toned body. I figure'd I'd try this out.

I began to weight train vigorously daily and with a diet of now 2400-2700 calories, far less cardio, and plenty of weight training aswell as intermittently fasting till 3 o clock in the afternoon about 3x per week and following a fairly low carb diet plan, I maintained my weight almost to the T, being 158 pounds during my starvation period, i was still spot on 158 pounds the entire time during this workout period. However I became more toned and began to see my top 2 abs through the layer of body fat and when flexing my abs became more defined. I also had my first signs of some real pecks (i had been doing LOTS of benching) and my shoulders and back seemed much more muscular. This all occured within 1 month, I was also taking creatine and L-arginine at the time.


Then I randomnly had an epiphany and decided I would go vegetarian, not just for diet (although diet was a key factor) but also for the enviroment.


This is where it gets wierd.

I know people think a vegetarian would eat less altogether calories, and lose weight, but what happened was I was constantly hungry and craving food. I had realized that even just a can of black beans contained almost 1000 calories and that being on a vegetarian diet did NOT mean weight loss. Alot of the meals my body was craving was high in calories and easy to over-eat, such as chickpeas, hummus, peanut butter, black beans, ect.

I went from almost daily intermittently fasting to eating multiple peanut butter banana sandwiches for breakfast and spoonfuls of peanut butter throughout the day as a snack. I can assume there are days now where i eat 3000+ calories. I am also consuming HUGE quanities of carbs which is a huge no-no in weight training and fat loss.

I've been eating whole spinach pizzas to myself (oftentimes after snacking on multiple peanut butter banana sandwiches and spoonfuls of PB throughout the day), way more bread then I have in probably over a year (2-4 slices of bread a day), black beans (150 grams of carbs in just 1 can) chick peas, tons of potatos and vegetables like mushrooms, onions, garlic, tomatos, spinach, and tons of bananas and fruits aswell. I've also been drinking tons of milk and eating eggs.


I know for a fact there have been times in the last month where I have been eating WAAAAAAY to many carbs, maybe even upwards of 300 grams of carbs a day, while eating WAY to little protein, most days (when i try to get my protein) i eat about 60-90 grams of protein, on a good day, perhaps a little over 100 grams. I am weight training daily and thought this would mess up my weight training, and my muscle mass would decrease.

I have been eating WAY more then usual (I would say literally, twice as much as before), WAY more carbs then normal (2-3 times more carbs or more), i stopped fasting, stopped walking 20km a day, stopped most forms of cardio (i do like 10 min now at the gym as a warm up) but I did completely jack up my weight training and can say I've got an awesome weight training routine now.

Now this is where it gets shocking.


Not only have I rapidly lost 15 pounds doing this over the last 3 weeks (about 5 pounds a week), but I have gotten stronger and have finally reached my goal of doing the 2 45lb weights on the benchpress....so I went from benching 2 25lbs, or 50lb altogether(with the bar a total of 80lbs) to over 120lbs on the benchpress in this time.

So I've lost over 15 pounds, and put over 40lbs more on my benchpress. I also gained more endurance (somedays I was way to sore to make it to the gym...seen it as such a chore...now I can go everyday without complaining or feeling like its too much for me) and I would say I don't feel at all like the lack of protein is effecting me in my recovery times. I actually would say I feel stronger, more able bodied, and healthier.


So now.....


If its true that its really calories in>calories out for weight loss

If its true that intermittent fasting is really the best way to go to burn fat

If its true that carbs cause you to hold onto weight, gain weight, and only cause problems

and if its true that you need huge amounts of proteins (1 gram per pound of bodyweight when weight training) to put on muscle and maintain muscle


Why is it that since I stopped listening to all this crap. Cut meat out of my diet. Started eating massive amounts of peanutbutter, pizza, bread, bananas, vegetables, WAY TO MANY CARBS, WAY TO MANY CALORIES, and WAY TO LITTLE PROTEIN (there have been days I've only ate 45grams of protein), is when I see the most gains? Losing 5 pounds a week, while my benchpress has increased 50lbs, and I feel stronger, more able bodied, able to lift more, having more stamina and work ethic, confidence in my excercises, ect?

The only other thing I'd like to say to is, a friend of mine who is a serious bodybuilder (hes one of the biggest dudes ive ever met in person, hes borderline mutant sized, very little bodyfat and is PURE muscle, 7 feet tall, a chest like arnold swartz)

Is a vegan, struggles to get enough protein, and eats way to many carbs. Dude eats like 6 meals a day. I've seen him eat, I've spent quite a few days hanging out with him to watch him eat a whole thing of bananas and a papaya for breakfast, multiple huge plates of quinoa and brown rice, like 8-10 huge potatos a day. PURE CARBS and HUGE AMOUNTS of them, almost NO PROTEIN RICH FOODS (he avoids tofu and soy says there bad) and is one of the biggest most muscular dudes I've ever seen. Dude is like 7 feet tall and appears a little more muscular then the rock in some ways.

Why is this? Because it breaks all the conventional ideas of diet, weight loss, and bodybuilding, but I can verify for a fact I have noticed vegan and vegetarians (now myself aswell) as losing plenty of fat and putting on lots of muscle aswell as feeling all around better.

Why is this?

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  • In short....I lost 15 pounds over 2 months on a lower carb, higher protein diet. At this time I was literally starving myself and doing so much hiking I was constantly exhausted/starving.

    Now I'm eating so much I'm constantly full, quit doing cardio, only weight train, and I'm on a HIGH CARB LOW PROTEIN diet, and I am getting much stronger and also losing 5 pounds a week...losing the same 15lbs in less then 1 month. Upping my benchpress by 40+ pounds. Why?!
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    Cause you found what works for you. Nothing more, nothing less.
  • KylaDenay
    KylaDenay Posts: 1,585 Member
    rybo wrote: »
    Cause you found what works for you. Nothing more, nothing less.
    this pretty much
  • sgtchester
    sgtchester Posts: 20 Member
    Your muscles at the start of any training program will actually adapt. You are training them to lift more with the muscles you already have, rather than building more muscle. It's called Neural Adaptation, and you can read up about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_adaptation

    If you are actually eating more calories than you are burning, you may also be suffering from malnutrition, so it could be a good idea to check that out with your doctor. You don't actually NEED 1 gram per lb of body weight to survive, but to put on muscle it's a good idea. The foods you are craving are higher protein compared to the rest of your diet it seems, so that could be an indication of your body signalling to you that something is wrong.

    So, yes, calories in being less than calories out is pretty essential for weight loss, unless you are suffering from some sort of nutritional deficiency.

    I'm not sure that intermittent fasting is the best way for fat loss, but it does seem to be the ticket for some people

    Carbs are necessary for brain function. They aren't necessarily bad for you, but they do cause you to retain water, and highly processed carbs could lead to spikes in blood sugar causing you to crave more carbs which can make it hard to keep a calorie deficit.

    If you were eating only 1500-1800 calories a day and burning 1100 calories on your walk (based on 150 lbs body weight, level terrain, 5 km/h average walking speed for 20 km) I can figure out why you were sluggish. Your net calories were 400-700 daily, which is far from enough.

    You should consult your doctor and a nutritionist specializing in vegetarianism.
  • When i hit the gym today I will do a body fat percentage test and I will see where I am. That should see If the weight I am losing is muscle or fat.

    I really don't think I am malnourished. I am taking B12 and D3 supplements, talked to my doctor about it already(have an appt with nutritionist in december), but I feel way more healthy, way less stressed out about diet, and my digestive system is going alot more smoothly. I even think my eyesight may be improving. My bloodpressure has also dropped quite a bit.

    I would say I feel alot better overall.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    I would also like to see the results had you only changed diets but still did the hiking. My bet is you weren't eating enough.
  • esjones12
    esjones12 Posts: 1,363 Member
    I believe whatever diet/nutrition you choose, for whatever reason you choose, should be something you can maintain for the rest of your life. If you found something that works for you, awesome!

    You can find healthy and unhealthy people eating whatever diet/nutrition plan you want to look at. For instance I know a vegetarian who is skinny but basically lives on macaroni and cheese, pizza, etc. Sorry, but that isn't healthy and will eventually catch up with him. There are plenty of vegetarians that are healthy though. Just like there are healthy people that eat meat.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Ok guys and girls....random topic I thought I would ask about. I am both confused and dumbfounded, while also being very happy at my success.

    I was on a strict diet, 1500-1800 calories a day. I'm a male who was only slightly overweight (30-40 pounds) and wanted to lose it to see his abs. In a shirt I looked skinny with a little bit of a bulge where my belly was.

    I started dieting relentlessly, I walked 20KM a day and only ate 1500-1800 calories a day. My body was starving and on the point of exhaustion for almost 2 months. I had lost about 15 pounds doing this before I realized I couldn't continue. I stressed myself about ever pound and worked tirelessly around the clock eating WAY to little, and having WAY to much excercise. I lost 15 pounds in 2 months and was very suprised to see how little of a difference it seemed to make on my body. I looked the same overall.

    I couldn't continue. I did more and more research and seen pictures of people who were light-weight but had too much body fat and who worked out and actually GAINED weight but also a great toned body. I figure'd I'd try this out.

    I began to weight train vigorously daily and with a diet of now 2400-2700 calories, far less cardio, and plenty of weight training aswell as intermittently fasting till 3 o clock in the afternoon about 3x per week and following a fairly low carb diet plan, I maintained my weight almost to the T, being 158 pounds during my starvation period, i was still spot on 158 pounds the entire time during this workout period. However I became more toned and began to see my top 2 abs through the layer of body fat and when flexing my abs became more defined. I also had my first signs of some real pecks (i had been doing LOTS of benching) and my shoulders and back seemed much more muscular. This all occured within 1 month, I was also taking creatine and L-arginine at the time.


    Then I randomnly had an epiphany and decided I would go vegetarian, not just for diet (although diet was a key factor) but also for the enviroment.


    This is where it gets wierd.

    I know people think a vegetarian would eat less altogether calories, and lose weight, but what happened was I was constantly hungry and craving food. I had realized that even just a can of black beans contained almost 1000 calories and that being on a vegetarian diet did NOT mean weight loss. Alot of the meals my body was craving was high in calories and easy to over-eat, such as chickpeas, hummus, peanut butter, black beans, ect.

    I went from almost daily intermittently fasting to eating multiple peanut butter banana sandwiches for breakfast and spoonfuls of peanut butter throughout the day as a snack. I can assume there are days now where i eat 3000+ calories. I am also consuming HUGE quanities of carbs which is a huge no-no in weight training and fat loss.

    I've been eating whole spinach pizzas to myself (oftentimes after snacking on multiple peanut butter banana sandwiches and spoonfuls of PB throughout the day), way more bread then I have in probably over a year (2-4 slices of bread a day), black beans (150 grams of carbs in just 1 can) chick peas, tons of potatos and vegetables like mushrooms, onions, garlic, tomatos, spinach, and tons of bananas and fruits aswell. I've also been drinking tons of milk and eating eggs.


    I know for a fact there have been times in the last month where I have been eating WAAAAAAY to many carbs, maybe even upwards of 300 grams of carbs a day, while eating WAY to little protein, most days (when i try to get my protein) i eat about 60-90 grams of protein, on a good day, perhaps a little over 100 grams. I am weight training daily and thought this would mess up my weight training, and my muscle mass would decrease.

    I have been eating WAY more then usual (I would say literally, twice as much as before), WAY more carbs then normal (2-3 times more carbs or more), i stopped fasting, stopped walking 20km a day, stopped most forms of cardio (i do like 10 min now at the gym as a warm up) but I did completely jack up my weight training and can say I've got an awesome weight training routine now.

    Now this is where it gets shocking.


    Not only have I rapidly lost 15 pounds doing this over the last 3 weeks (about 5 pounds a week), but I have gotten stronger and have finally reached my goal of doing the 2 45lb weights on the benchpress....so I went from benching 2 25lbs, or 50lb altogether(with the bar a total of 80lbs) to over 120lbs on the benchpress in this time.

    So I've lost over 15 pounds, and put over 40lbs more on my benchpress. I also gained more endurance (somedays I was way to sore to make it to the gym...seen it as such a chore...now I can go everyday without complaining or feeling like its too much for me) and I would say I don't feel at all like the lack of protein is effecting me in my recovery times. I actually would say I feel stronger, more able bodied, and healthier.


    So now.....


    If its true that its really calories in>calories out for weight loss

    If its true that intermittent fasting is really the best way to go to burn fat

    If its true that carbs cause you to hold onto weight, gain weight, and only cause problems

    and if its true that you need huge amounts of proteins (1 gram per pound of bodyweight when weight training) to put on muscle and maintain muscle


    Why is it that since I stopped listening to all this crap. Cut meat out of my diet. Started eating massive amounts of peanutbutter, pizza, bread, bananas, vegetables, WAY TO MANY CARBS, WAY TO MANY CALORIES, and WAY TO LITTLE PROTEIN (there have been days I've only ate 45grams of protein), is when I see the most gains? Losing 5 pounds a week, while my benchpress has increased 50lbs, and I feel stronger, more able bodied, able to lift more, having more stamina and work ethic, confidence in my excercises, ect?

    The only other thing I'd like to say to is, a friend of mine who is a serious bodybuilder (hes one of the biggest dudes ive ever met in person, hes borderline mutant sized, very little bodyfat and is PURE muscle, 7 feet tall, a chest like arnold swartz)

    Is a vegan, struggles to get enough protein, and eats way to many carbs. Dude eats like 6 meals a day. I've seen him eat, I've spent quite a few days hanging out with him to watch him eat a whole thing of bananas and a papaya for breakfast, multiple huge plates of quinoa and brown rice, like 8-10 huge potatos a day. PURE CARBS and HUGE AMOUNTS of them, almost NO PROTEIN RICH FOODS (he avoids tofu and soy says there bad) and is one of the biggest most muscular dudes I've ever seen. Dude is like 7 feet tall and appears a little more muscular then the rock in some ways.

    Why is this? Because it breaks all the conventional ideas of diet, weight loss, and bodybuilding, but I can verify for a fact I have noticed vegan and vegetarians (now myself aswell) as losing plenty of fat and putting on lots of muscle aswell as feeling all around better.

    Why is this?

    Lol
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    energy balance equation doesn't apply to non meat eaters, thought this was already known?
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    If its true that its really calories in>calories out for weight loss

    If its true that intermittent fasting is really the best way to go to burn fat

    If its true that carbs cause you to hold onto weight, gain weight, and only cause problems

    and if its true that you need huge amounts of proteins (1 gram per pound of bodyweight when weight training) to put on muscle and maintain muscle

    Short answers:

    You have it backwards, but it's an oversimplification.

    It depends on the person.

    Not really, but most people fall for the water weight fluctuations.

    The 1g/lb of total bodyweight is a completely misunderstanding of the recommendations.

    Longer answer:

    At the most basic level, you need to take in fewer calories than you burn in order to lose weight and more calories than you burn in order to gain weight. However, what you eat can make a difference in the composition of the weight gained/lost, as well as the amount of stress put on your body in the process. Getting sufficient protein, for example, helps mitigate muscle loss (before exercise is taken into account). Getting sufficient fat helps you absorb nutrients, reducing the stress of a caloric deficit (because while the food quantity may be lower, the quality is sufficient for getting nutrients).

    Intermittent fasting is far from the only way to lose weight or burn fat, and it's certainly not for everyone. It's a tool, nothing more, and nothing less. It's a means to control food intake. If it works for you, great. If it doesn't, that's cool, too.

    Carbohydrates contribute to weight, because the body stores a certain amount in glycogen (in the muscles and liver) as a quick fuel source. When people switch from the USDA recommendations of 50% intake from carbohydrates (generally between 200 and 300g of carbs) to any kind of diet that restricts carbs relatively significantly (say, less than 150g of carbs), then the body reacts by first tapping into glycogen for its glucose needs. Because glycogen holds something like 4 times the carb weight in water (so every gram of sugar also has 4g of water), people see fast, dramatic weight loss. This is almost all water weight, though. This is why people who didn't switch so dramatically, or who use their glycogen stores regularly, don't usually see this dramatic of drop.

    Your formula for protein is wrong. The number isn't 1g per pound of bodyweight, it's 1g per pound of lean mass, and some sources even say that it's more along the lines of 1g per kilogram, which is half a gram per pound. This can make a difference when you're still looking at about 20% bodyfat.

    Additionally, I'd argue that the changes you saw were less from switching to vegetarian, and more to simply eating more. You're a 23 year old male who's exercising quite a bit. 2300-2700 calories is arguably too few, especially with a daily lifting routine. To compare, I'm female and even at sedentary, my maintenance calories sit around 2400. By eating more when you changed your diet, you took some of the stress off that you've had your body under by basically starving it. Since cortisol interferes with fuel burning, reducing your levels of cortisol opened up the flood gates, so to speak (though if you really do only have about 30lb to lose, I'd question whether losing 5lbs a week is actually a good thing).

    As for your weights -- it depends on a number of factors, including whether you intentionally started lifting to increase the weight on the bar. That said, lifting is an anaerobic exercise, which requires it to use at least some glucose to get the explosive power needed to perform a lift. The body can be trained to do this on lower amounts of glucose, but it takes several months to build the necessary "equipment" (the body is very use-it-or-lose it, so if you always have enough carbohydrates to not require fat/glycogen hybrid mechanisms, it will allow those to atrophy). So, if you go for a month or two on a "lower carb" diet, then dramatically increase your carbs, you very likely haven't fully built the hybrid systems up, and the glucose-primary systems haven't gone away yet, so you suddenly have a bunch more glycogen to work with, allowing you to lift more all of a sudden. Additionally, 50lbs in three weeks for a beginner lifter (especially a male) isn't that much above what would be expected, especially since you switched toward eating more toward maintenance than an arguably deep deficit. Following StrongLifts exactly (+5lb per session, bench press on alternate sessions, 3-day/week program) would have you putting that on in about a month's time.

    Also, what was the "lower-carb" diet? Most people (at least at first) conflate the low carb and low fat ways of thinking. The result is often a diet nearly devoid of both and filled with protein. This is a recipe for disaster, as the lack of fat reduces nutrient absorption, the massive amounts of protein put added strain on the kidneys and liver, and the body is deprived of its preferred fuel sources (fat and/or carbs). Without a good dietary fuel source from fats and/or carbs, the body has even less energy to work with (the conversion process also takes energy, and at 4 calories per gram, protein doesn't have that much to begin with). A low carb diet, done properly, shouldn't leave you exhausted and starving after the initial adjustment period, but satisfied and with stable energy (really, any diet/way of eating should be this way; if you're exhausted and starving all the time after adjusting to it, you're doing something wrong and need to tweak something).

    I also haven't heard low-carb being touted as the thing to do among bodybuilders. Most lifters I know favor carbs over fat, though some might reduce carbs moderately while in a cut. Low carb lifting is generally an outlier method (except in Crossfit circles).

    It seems you could benefit from some more academic research on all fronts (yes, including your newfound vegetarianism). Put down the Men's Health magazine and pick up some PubMed articles or a Mark Rippetoe book and learn the mechanics of both the workouts you're doing and the diet you employ (including the role of each of the macronutrients and how they're processed by the body).
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  • gothchiq
    gothchiq Posts: 4,590 Member
    *agrees with BF*
  • CLessMe
    CLessMe Posts: 21 Member
    Some books you might like. I wish I were so disciplined.

    Eat and Run: My Unlikely Journey to Ultramarathon Greatness
    Jun 5, 2012
    by Scott Jurek and Steve Friedman


    Thrive: The Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
    Dec 23, 2008
    by Brendan Brazier and Hugh Jackman
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    please follow your regimen for 90 days then report back with results.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,222 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    energy balance equation doesn't apply to non meat eaters, thought this was already known?
    Magic.

  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    You became a vegetarian and decided to write a 17,000 words on your experiences doing so? Seems about right. Just wait until you become vegan. Then it's on.

    Bwahahaha
  • Dragonwolf wrote: »
    If its true that its really calories in>calories out for weight loss

    If its true that intermittent fasting is really the best way to go to burn fat

    If its true that carbs cause you to hold onto weight, gain weight, and only cause problems

    and if its true that you need huge amounts of proteins (1 gram per pound of bodyweight when weight training) to put on muscle and maintain muscle

    Short answers:

    You have it backwards, but it's an oversimplification.

    It depends on the person.

    Not really, but most people fall for the water weight fluctuations.

    The 1g/lb of total bodyweight is a completely misunderstanding of the recommendations.

    Longer answer:

    At the most basic level, you need to take in fewer calories than you burn in order to lose weight and more calories than you burn in order to gain weight. However, what you eat can make a difference in the composition of the weight gained/lost, as well as the amount of stress put on your body in the process. Getting sufficient protein, for example, helps mitigate muscle loss (before exercise is taken into account). Getting sufficient fat helps you absorb nutrients, reducing the stress of a caloric deficit (because while the food quantity may be lower, the quality is sufficient for getting nutrients).

    Intermittent fasting is far from the only way to lose weight or burn fat, and it's certainly not for everyone. It's a tool, nothing more, and nothing less. It's a means to control food intake. If it works for you, great. If it doesn't, that's cool, too.

    Carbohydrates contribute to weight, because the body stores a certain amount in glycogen (in the muscles and liver) as a quick fuel source. When people switch from the USDA recommendations of 50% intake from carbohydrates (generally between 200 and 300g of carbs) to any kind of diet that restricts carbs relatively significantly (say, less than 150g of carbs), then the body reacts by first tapping into glycogen for its glucose needs. Because glycogen holds something like 4 times the carb weight in water (so every gram of sugar also has 4g of water), people see fast, dramatic weight loss. This is almost all water weight, though. This is why people who didn't switch so dramatically, or who use their glycogen stores regularly, don't usually see this dramatic of drop.

    Your formula for protein is wrong. The number isn't 1g per pound of bodyweight, it's 1g per pound of lean mass, and some sources even say that it's more along the lines of 1g per kilogram, which is half a gram per pound. This can make a difference when you're still looking at about 20% bodyfat.

    Additionally, I'd argue that the changes you saw were less from switching to vegetarian, and more to simply eating more. You're a 23 year old male who's exercising quite a bit. 2300-2700 calories is arguably too few, especially with a daily lifting routine. To compare, I'm female and even at sedentary, my maintenance calories sit around 2400. By eating more when you changed your diet, you took some of the stress off that you've had your body under by basically starving it. Since cortisol interferes with fuel burning, reducing your levels of cortisol opened up the flood gates, so to speak (though if you really do only have about 30lb to lose, I'd question whether losing 5lbs a week is actually a good thing).

    As for your weights -- it depends on a number of factors, including whether you intentionally started lifting to increase the weight on the bar. That said, lifting is an anaerobic exercise, which requires it to use at least some glucose to get the explosive power needed to perform a lift. The body can be trained to do this on lower amounts of glucose, but it takes several months to build the necessary "equipment" (the body is very use-it-or-lose it, so if you always have enough carbohydrates to not require fat/glycogen hybrid mechanisms, it will allow those to atrophy). So, if you go for a month or two on a "lower carb" diet, then dramatically increase your carbs, you very likely haven't fully built the hybrid systems up, and the glucose-primary systems haven't gone away yet, so you suddenly have a bunch more glycogen to work with, allowing you to lift more all of a sudden. Additionally, 50lbs in three weeks for a beginner lifter (especially a male) isn't that much above what would be expected, especially since you switched toward eating more toward maintenance than an arguably deep deficit. Following StrongLifts exactly (+5lb per session, bench press on alternate sessions, 3-day/week program) would have you putting that on in about a month's time.

    Also, what was the "lower-carb" diet? Most people (at least at first) conflate the low carb and low fat ways of thinking. The result is often a diet nearly devoid of both and filled with protein. This is a recipe for disaster, as the lack of fat reduces nutrient absorption, the massive amounts of protein put added strain on the kidneys and liver, and the body is deprived of its preferred fuel sources (fat and/or carbs). Without a good dietary fuel source from fats and/or carbs, the body has even less energy to work with (the conversion process also takes energy, and at 4 calories per gram, protein doesn't have that much to begin with). A low carb diet, done properly, shouldn't leave you exhausted and starving after the initial adjustment period, but satisfied and with stable energy (really, any diet/way of eating should be this way; if you're exhausted and starving all the time after adjusting to it, you're doing something wrong and need to tweak something).

    I also haven't heard low-carb being touted as the thing to do among bodybuilders. Most lifters I know favor carbs over fat, though some might reduce carbs moderately while in a cut. Low carb lifting is generally an outlier method (except in Crossfit circles).

    It seems you could benefit from some more academic research on all fronts (yes, including your newfound vegetarianism). Put down the Men's Health magazine and pick up some PubMed articles or a Mark Rippetoe book and learn the mechanics of both the workouts you're doing and the diet you employ (including the role of each of the macronutrients and how they're processed by the body).


    Well written and very informative. This particularily stands out to me.

    "Additionally, I'd argue that the changes you saw were less from switching to vegetarian, and more to simply eating more. You're a 23 year old male who's exercising quite a bit. 2300-2700 calories is arguably too few, especially with a daily lifting routine. To compare, I'm female and even at sedentary, my maintenance calories sit around 2400. By eating more when you changed your diet, you took some of the stress off that you've had your body under by basically starving it. Since cortisol interferes with fuel burning, reducing your levels of cortisol opened up the flood gates, so to speak (though if you really do only have about 30lb to lose, I'd question whether losing 5lbs a week is actually a good thing)."

    I had actually been wondering if perhaps eating on the lower end of the spectrum put stress on my metabolism and now that I started eating more it had "opened up the floodgates" since my metabolism has been roaring for food.

    I had also heard a theory that bellyfat (esp the last bit of bellyfat covering the abs that people cant get rid of) is held onto by the body when being deprived of calories as a "survival" instinct, and that one can literally "eat there way" into burning this off, by making the body asthough it has enough and therefor being more willing to burn what no longer serves it, rather then holding onto it for protection.
  • TossaBeanBag
    TossaBeanBag Posts: 458 Member
    Maybe you are not human? Bovine put on muscle eating just plants.
  • Numberwang22
    Numberwang22 Posts: 213 Member
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    You became a vegetarian and decided to write a 17,000 words on your experiences doing so? Seems about right. Just wait until you become vegan. Then it's on.

    Bwahahaha

    And then paleo