Always starving, never full
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Something they do not express enough with weight loss surgery is that it isn't the easy fix you assume it to be. It takes dedication to follow the diet . Some have great success and some end up with major health issues /complications.
I have a friend that had a rupture due to gorging herself after surgery. 28 years old and her kids no longer have their mom. I have other friends and coworkers who have had amazing results. Some have issues now with kidney stones and absorption issues. Everyone is different. More than likely your constant hunger could be stress and not actual hunger.
I wish you luck in your journey, just make sure you address any emotional issues etc before attempting surgery. I am taking adipex right now and just love having the extra energy .
Just remember surgery can have so many risks. Lots of people lose hundreds of pounds without it .
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kpedersen3 wrote: »Don't eat cereal, bread, pasta, muffins, granola bars, added sugar, nuts, hummus, peanut butter, nuts, etc. I'm not kidding. DON'T EAT THEM. It's not about eating more protein, it's about NOT eating trigger foods that activate your desire to eat and those foods that spike and drop your sugar levels. Try it. Eat eggs, protein, vegetables, fruit, Greek yogurt, etc.
Yeaaah, I'm gonna have to disagree on hummus, nut, and nut butters, there. Even granola bars can be okay if the ingredients check out. If it contains healthy fats, it's gonna help fill you up.
Also, OP, you might not like this advice but it really could be psychological. I find that I have struggled with physical pain before, only to talk to a doctor who says it is stress related! Not what I wanted to hear, but as soon as they told me to relax more, I became aware of what I was doing to cause the tension and it steadily reduced. Now, hunger may be different, but if your brain is telling you to eat more when you're already feeding yourself, you may need to just redirect your mental energy. It could just be a case of mind over matter.
Then again, we don't know exactly what you are eating or how often you are able to exercise, so it could be a number of things.
Also...maybe, before you have surgery, have your thyroid checked?
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When I diet I do feel hungry all day even though I'm actually eating. I think the reason is that I'm eating healthier foods so they are different, I'm eating lighter foods so they are not as heavy so I feel less full and I'm thinking of food all day as I'm having to plan out each meal. On my diet now I'm actually eating breakfast which before I was skipping but now- at breakfast I'm hungry wanting even more food. My exercise has not changed but my focus on food has. Anyone that goes to more vegetables, fruit, water away from sandwiches, fast food, processed foods.. it makes total sense you feel that way!! I'm within the acceptable weight for my age and I feel that way too all the time.0
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kpedersen3 wrote: »Don't eat cereal, bread, pasta, muffins, granola bars, added sugar, nuts, hummus, peanut butter, nuts, etc. I'm not kidding. DON'T EAT THEM. It's not about eating more protein, it's about NOT eating trigger foods that activate your desire to eat and those foods that spike and drop your sugar levels. Try it. Eat eggs, protein, vegetables, fruit, Greek yogurt, etc.
Yes, I have tried those. They do not work. I can eat an entire carton of eggs and feel nothing. Same with fruits and veggies. I can eat and eat and eat them and feel nothing.
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I lose about 20 lbs in a month before I fall off the track, and gain it all back. I have over 100lbs to lose.
With the surgery, I am going into counseling for anything and everything mental and emotional that is coming my way. It is not just get the surgery, and then they send you on your way. They say that I am mentally capable of the surgery and what comes after.
Also, I am not looking into advice into what I am eating, because it is not what I am eating. I was under a dr supervised diet, that was made to make you full, and I felt nothing. The downfall was my dr did not address the issue other than, "keep trying", which is why I came here. I know it can be hormones and mental issues, which is what I came here for. I do not get another dr, weight loss specialized, until later this month, or possibly next, so in the mean time, I figured I would come here to get advice to cope, but instead, people get nasty about it, or as I said, tell me something I have heard and tried a million times before.How much weight did you lose?
How much weight do you have to lose?
Have they talked to you about mentally what's in store after weight loss surgery?
If you're not looking for advice on what you're eating then it limits the help.
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afortunatedragon wrote: »I always wonder why people write a lot in a post with all possible issues and problems and end with: "I will do this and that and I don't want any advise."
So just a little something from me, not as advise, just something to think about:
there are lots of people who lost weight with surgery but there are also a lot who didn't, just you wouldn't hear as much about. It will possibly not solve your problem. Weightloss is in 98% of cases mind over matter.
Without the right state of mind a knife will not help you.
And if your state of mind is right, a knife isn't necessary.
With the surgery, I am going into counseling for anything and everything mental and emotional that is coming my way. It is not just get the surgery, and then they send you on your way. They say that I am mentally capable of the surgery and what comes after.
Also, I am not looking into advice into what I am eating, because it is not what I am eating. I was under a dr supervised diet, that was made to make you full, and I felt nothing. The downfall was my dr did not address the issue other than, "keep trying", which is why I came here. I know it can be hormones and mental issues, which is what I came here for. I do not get another dr, weight loss specialized, until later this month, or possibly next, so in the mean time, I figured I would come here to get advice to cope, but instead, people get nasty about it, or as I said, tell me something I have heard and tried a million times before.
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It would help if you could open your diary so we can see what you're eating.
It's friends only.
Also, I am not looking into advice into what I am eating, because it is not what I am eating. I was under a dr supervised diet, that was made to make you full, and I felt nothing. The downfall was my dr did not address the issue other than, "keep trying", which is why I came here. I know it can be hormones and mental issues, which is what I came here for. I do not get another dr, weight loss specialized, until later this month, or possibly next, so in the mean time, I figured I would come here to get advice to cope, but instead, people get nasty about it, or as I said, tell me something I have heard and tried a million times before.
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I'm 22 and I've never felt full. What does help and don't hate when I say this but if I drink coke zero I don't want want as much food.
No, it's funny because a can of Dr Pepper (I dont do diet sodas) is the only thing that can help me temporary stop eating food. But since I am trying to stay away from pop, that is not an option every time. Unfortunately, high protein and high fiber foods do not help either. I can eat an entire chicken, and it's eggs and still feel like I haven't ate
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[quote="Grace215lbs;30285893"
Ask yourself this and please be honest. If it takes you 5 years of strict eating to get to goal would you still do it?
If the answer is no, then you're never going to reach a goal and maintain. Sorry. A quick fix is just that. Quick. You'll gain the weight back and be more depressed than ever. So once you're in the mind set of changing your LIFE then you can be successful one step at a time. You need to change your life in order for this to work for life. It sounds hard, and it can be at first but if you want it and you're willing to learn life style changes you can do it. MFP is always here for you. All of you.[/quote]
I have been doing it for 2 years already, so yes, I would. I am not looking for a quick fix all together. My drs want the quick fix so that I am not as heavy. I am alot heavier than my picture makes me look lol. The pills were to lose weight so that I can also exercise along with my diet. At my weight now, I can severely injure myself, even just walking, which I experienced yesterday
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hortensehildegarde wrote: »I often find that never full feeling even though I know my stomach is stuffed when I eat too much sugar or simple carby things. May be mental, but that's how it works for me.
When I can't feel satiated I eat more fat. More fat always fixes it. I can eat carby things like ice cream just fine just can't do things like lowfat cookies or bread and some candies and such. Basically if I don't eat quite a bit of fat I stay ravenous. (Also coupled with a good amount of protein, but if I eat just lowfat protein I still have the same issue).
I will experiment with that. Thank you.
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What's your calorie intake? I had the same problem for a long time, which eventually led me to having an ED, untill I realised that what I considered 'normal' intake was twice lower them my actual needs. Try this for a more accurate calorie calculator http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
I have tried that, . MFP says 2000 and that link says 2100. It is very hard for me to stay under 2000 calories. It's hard to stay under 3000 even, even on a good diet. I am just always THAT hungry.
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I have never felt hunger pains until today, I've been hungry before of course but today it actually hurt. I can't imagine feeling like that all day, everyday. I'm sorry you have to feel like that, it must be really frustrating. The surgery is designed to make you feel full, so it sounds like it might benefit you. I wish I could offer you some good advice on how to cope. Keep coming here and reaching out I guess. Good luck on your surgery, I really hope it's the answer for you.0
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You could work on reevaluating how you feel about "feeling full"
I spent a lot of time telling myself that feeling "hungry" wasn't an issue, I've just eaten, I'm patently not starving so what's wrong with feeling hungry ...and after a while that kind of acceptance started to change the way I felt about bodily cues like "hunger"
Hungry feeling isn't constant ...20 mins tops
Accept it, analyse it, say its fine to feel like this and move on
It becomes easier and easier and your mind stops doing the "oh that's hunger, I must now eat" equation ..it just ends up doing the "meh no biggie"
And you learn to separate the "I don't feel full" from the "this is actual hunger" feeling
It's emotional not physiological
Thank you. I am trying that. My issue though is my hungry feeling IS constant, sometimes it hurts so bad like I haven't eaten all day, even after eating. But I am trying to accept that I do not need to feed myself all day because I have that feeling. It is hard
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HipsterDewfus wrote: »I have never felt hunger pains until today, I've been hungry before of course but today it actually hurt. I can't imagine feeling like that all day, everyday. I'm sorry you have to feel like that, it must be really frustrating. The surgery is designed to make you feel full, so it sounds like it might benefit you. I wish I could offer you some good advice on how to cope. Keep coming here and reaching out I guess. Good luck on your surgery, I really hope it's the answer for you.
Thank you so much
And even more so for your genuine kindness.
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I know that this may sound disgusting, but has the doctor checked you for intestinal parasites? They are really more common than thought, but sometimes overlooked. I wish you the best of luck finding your answers.
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My thyroid has been checked, and I have been cleared of it. But that is what I was asking on here, which is why I did not ask for diet advice.I am extremely stressed so that may be all it is. It explains why it started after having kids haha. Thank you.nuttynanners wrote: »kpedersen3 wrote: »Don't eat cereal, bread, pasta, muffins, granola bars, added sugar, nuts, hummus, peanut butter, nuts, etc. I'm not kidding. DON'T EAT THEM. It's not about eating more protein, it's about NOT eating trigger foods that activate your desire to eat and those foods that spike and drop your sugar levels. Try it. Eat eggs, protein, vegetables, fruit, Greek yogurt, etc.
Yeaaah, I'm gonna have to disagree on hummus, nut, and nut butters, there. Even granola bars can be okay if the ingredients check out. If it contains healthy fats, it's gonna help fill you up.
Also, OP, you might not like this advice but it really could be psychological. I find that I have struggled with physical pain before, only to talk to a doctor who says it is stress related! Not what I wanted to hear, but as soon as they told me to relax more, I became aware of what I was doing to cause the tension and it steadily reduced. Now, hunger may be different, but if your brain is telling you to eat more when you're already feeding yourself, you may need to just redirect your mental energy. It could just be a case of mind over matter.
Then again, we don't know exactly what you are eating or how often you are able to exercise, so it could be a number of things.
Also...maybe, before you have surgery, have your thyroid checked?
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I feel this way a lot. I was able to deal with it by either just envisioning that the hungry feeling was fat getting successfully burned off. OR - trying to feel fuller by having a coffee and a nice BIG salad with low-cal dressing to make it to the next meal. I think my body also got used to less full feeling and less food over time too, so it hasn't been as bad as it was earlier on in the MFP plan. Anyway, I don't know if the above will work for you, but I hope you find a way to deal with it.0
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I use to not ever feel full, it wasn't hormonal for me, it was mental. I was trying to fill a hole that food could not fill. I was constantly craving something else. Though something else never helped.
I only over came it by calling it out as what it was, it was not hunger, it was an emptiness.
Now I no longer feel hungry, haven't figured out how that works, I can go over 24 hours with out eating and not feel hungry, but I track so that I'm fueling my body most days.
That makes sense. That may be my issue. Thank you.0 -
I always used to think I was hungry, but now I know I wasn't. It's okay (and now even pleasant!) to not feel full. I've learned to use food as fuel to get me through my day.0
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I feel this way a lot. I was able to deal with it by either just envisioning that the hungry feeling was fat getting successfully burned off. OR - trying to feel fuller by having a coffee and a nice BIG salad with low-cal dressing to make it to the next meal. I think my body also got used to less full feeling and less food over time too, so it hasn't been as bad as it was earlier on in the MFP plan. Anyway, I don't know if the above will work for you, but I hope you find a way to deal with it.
Thank you. It may work for me. I appreciate your advice.
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dwalt15110 wrote: »I know that this may sound disgusting, but has the doctor checked you for intestinal parasites? They are really more common than thought, but sometimes overlooked. I wish you the best of luck finding your answers.
No, they have not. I am scared to know how that works haha. But no, they haven't even mentioned it. I didn't even know about it. Thanks for bringing it up.
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karenlwashburn wrote: »When I diet I do feel hungry all day even though I'm actually eating. I think the reason is that I'm eating healthier foods so they are different, I'm eating lighter foods so they are not as heavy so I feel less full and I'm thinking of food all day as I'm having to plan out each meal. On my diet now I'm actually eating breakfast which before I was skipping but now- at breakfast I'm hungry wanting even more food. My exercise has not changed but my focus on food has. Anyone that goes to more vegetables, fruit, water away from sandwiches, fast food, processed foods.. it makes total sense you feel that way!! I'm within the acceptable weight for my age and I feel that way too all the time.
That could definitely be my issue. It seems like the healthier the food, the worse the feeling is. But I grew up with such a bad diet, that it may be my body not being use it it.0 -
TheRealKit wrote: »Something they do not express enough with weight loss surgery is that it isn't the easy fix you assume it to be. It takes dedication to follow the diet . Some have great success and some end up with major health issues /complications.
I have a friend that had a rupture due to gorging herself after surgery. 28 years old and her kids no longer have their mom. I have other friends and coworkers who have had amazing results. Some have issues now with kidney stones and absorption issues. Everyone is different. More than likely your constant hunger could be stress and not actual hunger.
I wish you luck in your journey, just make sure you address any emotional issues etc before attempting surgery. I am taking adipex right now and just love having the extra energy .
Just remember surgery can have so many risks. Lots of people lose hundreds of pounds without it .
It has been stressed enough here, and I am fully aware and ready for it. I have been doing it for 2 years now. The surgery and pills were not for quick fixes, but more for health and safety.
I an thinking my hunger IS stress. I was just fine until 2 seconds ago my toddlers started yelling, and immediately I felt very hungry. Interesting.....
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Calliope610 wrote: »This leads me to believe that is is brain function or hormones that are whacky.
I recently moved and no longer see the same doctor. In fact, my last visit 2 weeks ago, put me on phentermine and recommended weight loss surgery - Which I am doing.
How is phentermine and weight loss surgery going to correct "whacky" brain function or hormones??
The surgery and pills were not for quick fixes or the other issues, but more for health and safety.
My dr never touched on the subject of hormones and brain functions, which was the point of this post. All she said was "Well that's odd, just keep trying".
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sakuya3834 wrote: »Calliope610 wrote: »This leads me to believe that is is brain function or hormones that are whacky.
I recently moved and no longer see the same doctor. In fact, my last visit 2 weeks ago, put me on phentermine and recommended weight loss surgery - Which I am doing.
How is phentermine and weight loss surgery going to correct "whacky" brain function or hormones??
I agree. If it's something "off" I'd be worried about doing something so drastic as surgery as you may still be hungry and eventually gain the weight back... You need to fix the root of the problem. I would maybe at least try to get a few other opinions first..
The surgery and pills were not for quick fixes, but more for health and safety. I have talked to the weight loss specialists after my dr and they find it a good option.
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libbydoodle11 wrote: »So you think your hormones are whacky? Schedule an appointment with the doc to have blood work done.
Perhaps you can start recording your thoughts and feelings while you are consuming the food in a journal.
You can do the surgery but you still may have to address the issues going on in your head. Consider seeing a therapist to help you deal with your emotional eating issues before and after your surgery.
Also try pre planning all of your meals for each day and dividing them up into small snack sized portions and nibble or graze throughout the day. Maybe this will keep you side tracked so you are not looking for that full feeling.
This is all I have. It is hard to tell from your post whether or not you are open to advice. You sound more like you may be defending your potential surgery while venting a little.
I have seen a therapist before about it, and after surgery, you get counseling. They don't just cut you open and send you on your way.
Pre planning might be a good idea. My husband doesn't like doing that, but I think he may just need to get over it.0 -
pamelaamarshall wrote: »I have this to an extent as well, but I am able to ignore it. I talked to my dad and he says he has it also, so it could very well be physiological. I have two ideas that have nothing to do with protein, water, fiber, etc, and are relatively inexpensive.
I have read that a feeling of never being full even after a large meal could be due to acid reflux. The gnawing feeling you have is not actually hunger but too much acid. An easy step would be to take something like Zantac for a week and see if you are less hungry.
Another thought is that you're lacking micro-nutrients. Do you take a multivitamin?
I would love to hear if either suggestion worked.
Yes I do take a multivitamin, plus a few others.
But the acid thing is interesting, and I do have stomach acid related issues, so if that is true, it could very well help. Thanks.
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misskittyninja wrote: »How you over come it? I'd imagine with a better GP and therapy. I know you didn't want opinions but as other have already done, and said they'll give you some insight. I've written about my experience as well as someone i knew. Opinions are also good because then people can give you more ideas, things to try and it might actually help you.
I Think you need to see another GP. Rather than one that's okay giving you speed like medication and telling you surgery is fine straight off the bat. If i was you i'd be really annoyed that they're not looking at everything. Firstly they should have done a whole heap of test starting with the very basic blood tests. Which would have been able to pick up many fixable problems. I'm very surprised that they didn't take you through all the basics.
Sadly this happen to me =(, i saw a GP, hey told me i was obese and started selling me products instead of finding out the issue. The next one i saw tried to put me on medications for life. Then the last one i saw put me through about 8 different tests over 2 months, i even had an ultra sound o.o and he found the root of my problem and i lost 65 lbs after he found out it was hormonal. I also found out a few other things. Which has made my life so much easier.
That being said, i know you didn't want any opinions but i believe this is more fact. If you just rush into surgery without finding the issue, you'll gain all the weight back fast as they don't seem to be focused on finding out the issue causing this. Surgery removes the weight but not the issue of you gaining it. The medication is short term so same yet again. It's also a medication they won't give while you're in recovery. So that confused me too. And it most states and countries you need to be obese and have 2 or more medical conditions to take it. -short term - They also wouldn't give it to you pre surgery as it mess's with the heart too much. So not sure where it comes into play.
I'm surprise they didn't go through this, especially the tests, as it's common sense. I think you really need to seek better professional advice as you're paying for it and i'm a strong believer in being thorough. You may have something simple and easy to fix with basic medication. If not then.. and you've had all the tests.
My friends mother had her stomach stapled and with it i think she had 6 months of therapy with this to make sure she didn't over eat and kill her self during recovery. As you can only eat little amounts. If they at all think the issue is all in your head. They don't put your through the surgery until you've fixed the psychological issue as it's too risky.
So yet again, I'd make sure you see a specialist, talk it over, if he's good, he'll do all the tests required first and you should also get some counselling or therapy. I remember she recovered well. She gained a little back, around 40lbs, but to be honest i think it helped her with her issue and she was getting close to being morbidly obese. So for me surgery can be a thumbs up. Just make sure you have a good team and a good surgeon.
We did not rush into the surgery. My weight loss journey has been going on for 10 years, and more intensely the past 2 years with dr supervised diets and such. I went through months of therapy that did not work, and all my tests came back a-okay. The surgery and the pill were for health and safety issues, not a cosmetic quick fix. My GP is not a bad one. The hospital I am getting the surgery through is also doing an additional 6 months of dr supervised diets, and counseling before and after. My potential surgery has been anything but being just jumped into.
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misskittyninja wrote: »How you over come it? I'd imagine with a better GP and therapy. I know you didn't want opinions but as other have already done, and said they'll give you some insight. I've written about my experience as well as someone i knew. Opinions are also good because then people can give you more ideas, things to try and it might actually help you.
I Think you need to see another GP. Rather than one that's okay giving you speed like medication and telling you surgery is fine straight off the bat. If i was you i'd be really annoyed that they're not looking at everything. Firstly they should have done a whole heap of test starting with the very basic blood tests. Which would have been able to pick up many fixable problems. I'm very surprised that they didn't take you through all the basics.
Sadly this happen to me =(, i saw a GP, hey told me i was obese and started selling me products instead of finding out the issue. The next one i saw tried to put me on medications for life. Then the last one i saw put me through about 8 different tests over 2 months, i even had an ultra sound o.o and he found the root of my problem and i lost 65 lbs after he found out it was hormonal. I also found out a few other things. Which has made my life so much easier.
That being said, i know you didn't want any opinions but i believe this is more fact. If you just rush into surgery without finding the issue, you'll gain all the weight back fast as they don't seem to be focused on finding out the issue causing this. Surgery removes the weight but not the issue of you gaining it. The medication is short term so same yet again. It's also a medication they won't give while you're in recovery. So that confused me too. And it most states and countries you need to be obese and have 2 or more medical conditions to take it. -short term - They also wouldn't give it to you pre surgery as it mess's with the heart too much. So not sure where it comes into play.
I'm surprise they didn't go through this, especially the tests, as it's common sense. I think you really need to seek better professional advice as you're paying for it and i'm a strong believer in being thorough. You may have something simple and easy to fix with basic medication. If not then.. and you've had all the tests.
My friends mother had her stomach stapled and with it i think she had 6 months of therapy with this to make sure she didn't over eat and kill her self during recovery. As you can only eat little amounts. If they at all think the issue is all in your head. They don't put your through the surgery until you've fixed the psychological issue as it's too risky.
So yet again, I'd make sure you see a specialist, talk it over, if he's good, he'll do all the tests required first and you should also get some counselling or therapy. I remember she recovered well. She gained a little back, around 40lbs, but to be honest i think it helped her with her issue and she was getting close to being morbidly obese. So for me surgery can be a thumbs up. Just make sure you have a good team and a good surgeon.
Also, I am considered morbidly obese
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