LCHF and Cancer...
rprussell2004
Posts: 870 Member
Please, folks, tell me how this has already been debunked.
And while we're on the subject, anyone here from Sweden?
And while we're on the subject, anyone here from Sweden?
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Here, lemme toss a quote out, for the most of you who won't bother reading it:Butter, olive oil, heavy cream, and bacon are not harmful foods. Quite the opposite. Fat is the best thing for those who want to lose weight. And there are no connections between a high fat intake and cardiovascular disease.-1
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I've definitely heard of the ketogenic diet for starving cancer. Makes sense to me! I would still probably do a combined approach with surgery/chemotherapy/radiation, if indicated.0
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No biters, eh? I guess they are still busy traumatizing clean eaters or something...
Let's hear it for bacon!
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This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Wow, I guess I should stop teaching Maths then. Carbs are NOT a required nutrient the body can make its own glycogen and function on ketones. I have had better mental clarity whilst on keto for a year.
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baconslave wrote: »No biters, eh? I guess they are still busy traumatizing clean eaters or something...
Let's hear it for bacon!
Yay bacon. and yep they're on the case of the poor clean eaters already today! It's been a while since i frequented these forums - no one thing has changed! Still the same old same old!
I have missed it! lol
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Well, I'm from Sweden. LCHF is more and more accepted here. Works great for those with diabetes 2, obese people and people that want to be healthy. Didn't ever hear that it CURES cancer, the "fat doctor" has no products for sale.. and is definitely not giving false hope for dying people! Really don't know what that comes from? Anyway, the question here is more if meat and saturated fat will give you cancer /if LCHF diet will give you cancer. Well, cancer lives from sugar, so... I would say that to much carbs and sugar will give you cancer and cardiovascular diseases as well as it hurts the brain.0
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This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!-1 -
Andreas is well known here. He is a doctor, and has some of his stuff in English.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
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About the brain, anyone read the book grain brain?0
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This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Wow, I guess I should stop teaching Maths then. Carbs are NOT a required nutrient the body can make its own glycogen and function on ketones. I have had better mental clarity whilst on keto for a year.
After all 9+10 = 21
That's impossible!!
Maybe you only thought you had better clarity because you brain was delusional and functioning poorly - sorry to burst your bubble!-1 -
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The brain functions greatly on ketones, even better. Mattias Ribbing (Our own memory master) is on a low carb high fat diet.0
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!
I do. It can be found in the posts above.
Do you have proof that a ketogenic diet cures cancer?
Cancer cells feed on sugar - so much so that's how you detect them. Common sense tells me that if I have something that is killing me, I'd be pretty stupid to keep feeding it in any fashion. Do you leave out yummy snacks for roaches when you want to be rid of them?0 -
And for the record, some of us "clean eaters" do eat bacon. Lots of it. Just the uncured kind from the farm down the street.0
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!
I do. It can be found in the posts above.
Do you have proof that a ketogenic diet cures cancer?
I don't think anyone claimed it cures cancer. To my knowledge, the only way to "cure" cancer is to remove it, either surgically or by killing it with chems.
What it does is starve the cells so they can't reproduce as aggressively. It "stalls" cancer, which for many survivors is the best they can hope for. And it keeps it from getting a foothold in the first place.
Did you maybe read the article or listen to the interview, or were you like MrM27, "stopped reading at Mercola?" Because I realize it's fairly traditional to shoot the messenger on these forums.
I also think the "we already know everything there is to know so shut up if you disagree" mindset is dangerously prevalent here.0 -
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KaroshiQueen wrote: »And for the record, some of us "clean eaters" do eat bacon. Lots of it. Just the uncured kind from the farm down the street.
Well, there's no such thing as "uncured" bacon, so.
It's the curing what makes it bacon - otherwise it's just so much cooked pork belly.0 -
KaroshiQueen wrote: »And for the record, some of us "clean eaters" do eat bacon. Lots of it. Just the uncured kind from the farm down the street.
That and grass fed meat!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!
I do. It can be found in the posts above.
Do you have proof that a ketogenic diet cures cancer?
I've looked and can't see one that covers your claim. Sorry I'm on LCHF diet so need that little bit of assistance - can you tell me exactly which one you are referring to?
No I don't have proof about curing cancer and I'm not sure it does!
It does delay brain deterioration diseases.0 -
Donna_Olsen wrote: »The brain functions greatly on ketones, even better.
I rest my case.
I'm sorry... did you just hang your argument on the fact that someone from Sweden didn't get English grammar 100% correct?
Jesus, dude. Don't you have ANYTHING constructive to say here?0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »KaroshiQueen wrote: »And for the record, some of us "clean eaters" do eat bacon. Lots of it. Just the uncured kind from the farm down the street.
Well, there's no such thing as "uncured" bacon, so.
It's the curing what makes it bacon - otherwise it's just so much cooked pork belly.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-cured-and-uncured-bacon.htm0 -
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rprussell2004 wrote: »Donna_Olsen wrote: »The brain functions greatly on ketones, even better.
I rest my case.
I'm sorry... did you just hang your argument on the fact that someone from Sweden didn't get English grammar 100% correct?
Jesus, dude. Don't you have ANYTHING constructive to say here?
Isn't mocking someones grammar against the rules on the MFP forums - or has that changed now?
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rprussell2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!
I do. It can be found in the posts above.
Do you have proof that a ketogenic diet cures cancer?
I don't think anyone claimed it cures cancer. To my knowledge, the only way to "cure" cancer is to remove it, either surgically or by killing it with chems.
What it does is starve the cells so they can't reproduce as aggressively. It "stalls" cancer, which for many survivors is the best they can hope for. And it keeps it from getting a foothold in the first place.
Did you maybe read the article or listen to the interview, or were you like MrM27, "stopped reading at Mercola?" Because I realize it's fairly traditional to shoot the messenger on these forums.
I also think the "we already know everything there is to know so shut up if you disagree" mindset is dangerously prevalent here.
You know why we shoot the messenger? Because he's a proven fraud.
Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...
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Hah!
I have often said that once "Benedict Cumberbatch" came into the world, there stopped being a need to create any more names. That one is the pinnacle.
I do enjoy your sense of humor, even if you're unwilling/unable to see the science behind the message
If something works for an asscrapload of people - or has the potential to save lives - why try to tear it down? 0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »This is disgusting. A quack doctor giving desperate, dying people false hope, to push his agenda and products.
Just when I think the guy couldn't sink any lower.
No. A ketogenic diet doesn't cure cancer. You know how I know? Because no one has cured cancer with a ketogenic diet.
This is why carbs are important. The brain functions poorly without them.
Do you have any proof that on a 'long term' low carb diet the brain functions less effectivley than on a medium to high carb diet!!!!
I'll wait while you go look!
I do, and it's already been posted by me.
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