Trouble accepting/jealousy

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  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    edited December 2014
    You have no idea what other people's inner journey looks or feels like, so if you're feeling "jealous" of them, it's because of your internal state, not anything they are doing.

  • fitfreakymom
    fitfreakymom Posts: 1,400 Member
    You have a lot going on with the Asperger's . I do know a little about Asperger's. It would seem to me that everything you are going through are typical of Asperger's disease. This disease is a training of your mind in itself. Your thoughts and action are harder for you because of the Asperger's. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's really too bad you can't find a DR. that actually deals with Asperger's in your area. That would really be the way to go. I can't even imagine the struggles you go through. You almost need to find something in this that really peaks your interest or it will be a constant struggle for you. If you ever just need to vent please feel free to friend me. I am a good listener and would love to be their for you. Faith is also a good thing to have. I turn to my faith everyday. I pray for you to find away that will help you be who you want to be. Amen


    Amen! Thank you.

    I don't look at asperger's as a disease. It isn't. It's just a different way of functioning. Most people are iphones, I'm a samsung. That kind of thing. Most of my family and friends don't even know I have it, they just think I'm a bit weird and clumsy. It's the main reason I avoid most Drs though, because the way I tend to describe symptoms, and the way I hide my pain because I don't really understand facial expressions very well, they usually tell me I'm faking for attention.

    Have you been diagnosed?
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    edited December 2014
    You have a lot going on with the Asperger's . I do know a little about Asperger's. It would seem to me that everything you are going through are typical of Asperger's disease. This disease is a training of your mind in itself. Your thoughts and action are harder for you because of the Asperger's. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's really too bad you can't find a DR. that actually deals with Asperger's in your area. That would really be the way to go. I can't even imagine the struggles you go through. You almost need to find something in this that really peaks your interest or it will be a constant struggle for you. If you ever just need to vent please feel free to friend me. I am a good listener and would love to be their for you. Faith is also a good thing to have. I turn to my faith everyday. I pray for you to find away that will help you be who you want to be. Amen


    Amen! Thank you.

    I don't look at asperger's as a disease. It isn't. It's just a different way of functioning. Most people are iphones, I'm a samsung. That kind of thing. Most of my family and friends don't even know I have it, they just think I'm a bit weird and clumsy. It's the main reason I avoid most Drs though, because the way I tend to describe symptoms, and the way I hide my pain because I don't really understand facial expressions very well, they usually tell me I'm faking for attention.

    Have you been diagnosed?


    I do believe I said earlier I am undiagnosed, so that pretty much means no i have not been. It is very difficult and takes generally years of work for a female (in the aera that i live in) to get an official diagnosis and I just don't have the energy to go through that fight right now. But it's very clear that I'm on the spectrum.
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    Just to clearify too.

    The people I'm talking about who seem to eat whatever they want and not think about it. I'm getting a lot of "you don't know what's in their head" - yes. I do. I have asked them. They are people who I trust are honest with me. So yes. I do. And it's not something they 'learned to do' that has become second nature to them. It's something that they really truly don't think about, don't care about. I have asked them to guestimate who many calories they have in a day and they aren't even able to guess how many calories is in an apple. I'm not talking about the people who have learned what works, or are secretly estimating what they are eating. Not what I'm not talking about.

    Also, it is not an obsession. It was a ten minute frustration which I decided to post about to see if anyone else has the same feelings occasionally.

    There's been some really great feedback though. I like the glasses thing.

    I posted this because I was having a down moment, not an obsession, and not assuming I can read into peoples minds (I think I already clarified that, but maybe some people didn't read that part). Am I not allowed to have a down moment every now and again? I guess not on public forums.

    *sigh* at some of these replies.

    But thank you to the non-judgmental ones :smile:
  • zipa78
    zipa78 Posts: 354 Member
    The people I'm talking about who seem to eat whatever they want and not think about it. I'm getting a lot of "you don't know what's in their head" - yes. I do. I have asked them. They are people who I trust are honest with me. So yes. I do. And it's not something they 'learned to do' that has become second nature to them. It's something that they really truly don't think about, don't care about.

    There's no magic to this. They just don't want to eat as much, so they stay slim by default. It's not like they could truly eat anything and still somehow not put on any weight.
  • loribethrice
    loribethrice Posts: 620 Member
    So I seem to do really well loosing weight for a few months, then stop, then start again then stop. Sometimes I gain some weight back, sometimes I don't.

    I think the reason this happens is because I realize that there is no 'diet' that will work for me - it's a lifestyle change. I have accepted that I will have to eat this way for the rest of my life. But that terrifies me.

    I have so much jealousy of people who can eat whatever they want, never paying attention to it, never thinking about calories, fat, sodium, protein, etc., and they are healthy and happy. And I have a lot of these people surrounding me.

    So after I've done really well for a while, I start getting overwhelmed when thinking about 'this is my new life' and it freaks me out because, truth is, I don't *want* to have to constantly be thinking about calories and macros every time i put food into my mouth (or at least the majority of the time - I do have my off days, or special occasions where I let myself not worry too much about it).

    I do know I have anxiety issues, and have recently accepted the fact that over eating can be considered an ED in some circumstances - I believe I fall under that category.

    Does anyone else struggle with accepting this as their new life? Or struggle with jealousy of people who don't seem to have to worry about this stuff?

    I am also someone who will have to do this for the rest of my life to not be overweight and it overwhelms me. I have an eating disorder that I've had since I was a toddler called selective eating disorder (SED), so I am not one of those lucky people who can just be like "well, instead of taking Pringles as a snack I'm going to take carrots!". I have bad food phobias and so I can only eat a small list of foods and I eat the exact same thing every single day. I also have to eat up to 10g of sodium a day due to a chronic illness to keep my blood volume up and keep me from passing out, so I constantly retain water. I've lost 60lbs and I want to keep this off and lose a bit more, so it frustrates me when I'm at work or at a restaurant and see people who are eating pizzas and french fries and all these other things and not gaining weight. I work with people who order food out every single night and eat multiple big meals a day and never put on a pound. It drives me insane. I have become obsessive about logging and making sure that I don't go over my allotted carbs. On days where I don't exercise I am always a whole pound+ bigger than the days I do exercise and that makes me want to exercise 7 days a week. It's a hard line to walk between this turning into anorexia and just staying as making sure I stay in a healthy weight range.
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    zipa78 wrote: »


    There's no magic to this. They just don't want to eat as much, so they stay slim by default. It's not like they could truly eat anything and still somehow not put on any weight.

    That's exactly what I mean. They just naturally know when to stop, and what to eat. Sometimes they choose a gigantic burger and fries because that's what they crave. Sometimes they choose a super healthy salad because that's what they crave. They don't think to themselves "well I had a burger yesterday, so I'd better have a salad today" - they just automatically crave it and listen to their bodies. Like you said, they stay slim by default that way. (and before I get more 'you don't know what they think when they order a salad' - again, yes, i do, i have asked them)

    Like I said earlier though. This doesn't mean they don't have other struggles, and it doesn't mean I don't have other struggles either. That's not the topic though. And like I said again, it doesn't mean that my strugg;es or "worse" or "easier" than theirs. Everyone is different and deals with challenges differently.
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    I am also someone who will have to do this for the rest of my life to not be overweight and it overwhelms me. I have an eating disorder that I've had since I was a toddler called selective eating disorder (SED), so I am not one of those lucky people who can just be like "well, instead of taking Pringles as a snack I'm going to take carrots!". I have bad food phobias and so I can only eat a small list of foods and I eat the exact same thing every single day. I also have to eat up to 10g of sodium a day due to a chronic illness to keep my blood volume up and keep me from passing out, so I constantly retain water. I've lost 60lbs and I want to keep this off and lose a bit more, so it frustrates me when I'm at work or at a restaurant and see people who are eating pizzas and french fries and all these other things and not gaining weight. I work with people who order food out every single night and eat multiple big meals a day and never put on a pound. It drives me insane. I have become obsessive about logging and making sure that I don't go over my allotted carbs. On days where I don't exercise I am always a whole pound+ bigger than the days I do exercise and that makes me want to exercise 7 days a week. It's a hard line to walk between this turning into anorexia and just staying as making sure I stay in a healthy weight range.

    I'm sorry to hear that. I have found some of these replies tough to read, and a bit judgmental considering I have ED, but I'm trying not to take it personally because a lot of people don't understand how ED effects a person's daily life.

    Like you said exactly... it's a very hard line to walk. I can only imagine how difficult it is to have only a small list of foods to choose from and have to eat them every day. I live off variety, which is why it takes me so long to log, because I'm always trying new things and have to look them up, or enter recipes. That must be really tough to live with, but I hope you are finding good ways to cope.

    Thank you for the reply. *faith in humanity restored*
  • randomtai
    randomtai Posts: 9,003 Member
    zipa78 wrote: »


    There's no magic to this. They just don't want to eat as much, so they stay slim by default. It's not like they could truly eat anything and still somehow not put on any weight.

    That's exactly what I mean. They just naturally know when to stop, and what to eat. Sometimes they choose a gigantic burger and fries because that's what they crave. Sometimes they choose a super healthy salad because that's what they crave. They don't think to themselves "well I had a burger yesterday, so I'd better have a salad today" - they just automatically crave it and listen to their bodies. Like you said, they stay slim by default that way. (and before I get more 'you don't know what they think when they order a salad' - again, yes, i do, i have asked them)

    Like I said earlier though. This doesn't mean they don't have other struggles, and it doesn't mean I don't have other struggles either. That's not the topic though. And like I said again, it doesn't mean that my strugg;es or "worse" or "easier" than theirs. Everyone is different and deals with challenges differently.

    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:
  • loribethrice
    loribethrice Posts: 620 Member
    I am also someone who will have to do this for the rest of my life to not be overweight and it overwhelms me. I have an eating disorder that I've had since I was a toddler called selective eating disorder (SED), so I am not one of those lucky people who can just be like "well, instead of taking Pringles as a snack I'm going to take carrots!". I have bad food phobias and so I can only eat a small list of foods and I eat the exact same thing every single day. I also have to eat up to 10g of sodium a day due to a chronic illness to keep my blood volume up and keep me from passing out, so I constantly retain water. I've lost 60lbs and I want to keep this off and lose a bit more, so it frustrates me when I'm at work or at a restaurant and see people who are eating pizzas and french fries and all these other things and not gaining weight. I work with people who order food out every single night and eat multiple big meals a day and never put on a pound. It drives me insane. I have become obsessive about logging and making sure that I don't go over my allotted carbs. On days where I don't exercise I am always a whole pound+ bigger than the days I do exercise and that makes me want to exercise 7 days a week. It's a hard line to walk between this turning into anorexia and just staying as making sure I stay in a healthy weight range.

    I'm sorry to hear that. I have found some of these replies tough to read, and a bit judgmental considering I have ED, but I'm trying not to take it personally because a lot of people don't understand how ED effects a person's daily life.

    Like you said exactly... it's a very hard line to walk. I can only imagine how difficult it is to have only a small list of foods to choose from and have to eat them every day. I live off variety, which is why it takes me so long to log, because I'm always trying new things and have to look them up, or enter recipes. That must be really tough to live with, but I hope you are finding good ways to cope.

    Thank you for the reply. *faith in humanity restored*

    I think I understand because I already have an ED that I've lived with since I was a toddler and I know I'm always on the line of another one. It's rough and I'm sorry you live with it too. I used to eat either sauceless 5 cheese pizza or pepperoni rolls with garlic dipping sauce every single night of the week because pizza is one of the only foods I actually like and crave. I work 11p-7a and pizza places are open late so it made it convenient for me. I would still do that and eat Dairy Queen ice cream (it's the only other food I actually like and crave) every single freaking day of my life if I wouldn't gain weight. I am not genetically blessed in that way though. My parents are both overweight and so is my sister and my aunt and uncle and a few of my cousins, so this is just how we were made. My mom was anorexic in her 20s and was bad enough to lose her period and her hair. Her brother in law had to take her to a hospital to get her fixed. And she ALWAYS encourages me to be thin/stay thin because she thinks it's extremely important for a woman to be that way, so it doesn't help really. If I gain any weight at all she automatically will say something. "Your face got fat" or "that shirt is a bit small" type of comments. I am glad you eat variety at least because then you know you're getting the nutrients you need! That's a good thing no matter what.
  • Snow3y
    Snow3y Posts: 1,412 Member
    When you're in it for long enough, you eventually learn your limits and enable yourself to control your diet better.. Lately I've calmed down in logging, and I'm still seeing the results I want..
  • loribethrice
    loribethrice Posts: 620 Member
    randomtai wrote: »
    zipa78 wrote: »


    There's no magic to this. They just don't want to eat as much, so they stay slim by default. It's not like they could truly eat anything and still somehow not put on any weight.

    That's exactly what I mean. They just naturally know when to stop, and what to eat. Sometimes they choose a gigantic burger and fries because that's what they crave. Sometimes they choose a super healthy salad because that's what they crave. They don't think to themselves "well I had a burger yesterday, so I'd better have a salad today" - they just automatically crave it and listen to their bodies. Like you said, they stay slim by default that way. (and before I get more 'you don't know what they think when they order a salad' - again, yes, i do, i have asked them)

    Like I said earlier though. This doesn't mean they don't have other struggles, and it doesn't mean I don't have other struggles either. That's not the topic though. And like I said again, it doesn't mean that my strugg;es or "worse" or "easier" than theirs. Everyone is different and deals with challenges differently.

    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It's not second nature to everyone though. For me I log daily and have for over a year, but I still have to check constantly even though I eat the exact same things and know exactly how many calories I have left over before exercise and I don't eat back any exercise calories. If I have a night where I decide to eat a pizza (like Thanksgiving, Christmas, or my birthday) then I will go into a panic trying to figure out how much I need to exercise and how many foods I can't eat so I don't go over my calorie limit.

  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    randomtai wrote: »

    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It would be nice if that's how reality worked. Unfortunately, having conversations with people who have different eating habits than I do, and logging my food are two completely different things. Also, as I have said before, I put a LOT of my daily energy into logging.

    Every person is different, thinks differently, functions differently. So for someone else to determine what would make something 'second nature' to me isn't going to be very fair or accurate.

    I'm sure I'll get there eventually with my logging, but for now it takes up as much time out of my day as I'm capable of giving.
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    It's not second nature to everyone though. For me I log daily and have for over a year, but I still have to check constantly even though I eat the exact same things and know exactly how many calories I have left over before exercise and I don't eat back any exercise calories. If I have a night where I decide to eat a pizza (like Thanksgiving, Christmas, or my birthday) then I will go into a panic trying to figure out how much I need to exercise and how many foods I can't eat so I don't go over my calorie limit.

    Absolutely! Not everyone will get this second nature - some may but some may not. I've been logging (on and off to be honest, but more on than off) for almost 6 years. I do eat my exercise calories, but I definitely have a moment of anxiety if I overdo it too much on holidays.

  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    When you're in it for long enough, you eventually learn your limits and enable yourself to control your diet better.. Lately I've calmed down in logging, and I'm still seeing the results I want..

    I certainly hope to get there eventually. I don't have high expectations, but it would be nice.
    For now though, I'm just thankful I know my limits as far as - if i stop logging i will start gaining. Just being able to recognize that is a pretty big step for me.
  • randomtai
    randomtai Posts: 9,003 Member
    So don't log... *shrug*
    randomtai wrote: »
    zipa78 wrote: »


    There's no magic to this. They just don't want to eat as much, so they stay slim by default. It's not like they could truly eat anything and still somehow not put on any weight.

    That's exactly what I mean. They just naturally know when to stop, and what to eat. Sometimes they choose a gigantic burger and fries because that's what they crave. Sometimes they choose a super healthy salad because that's what they crave. They don't think to themselves "well I had a burger yesterday, so I'd better have a salad today" - they just automatically crave it and listen to their bodies. Like you said, they stay slim by default that way. (and before I get more 'you don't know what they think when they order a salad' - again, yes, i do, i have asked them)

    Like I said earlier though. This doesn't mean they don't have other struggles, and it doesn't mean I don't have other struggles either. That's not the topic though. And like I said again, it doesn't mean that my strugg;es or "worse" or "easier" than theirs. Everyone is different and deals with challenges differently.

    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It's not second nature to everyone though. For me I log daily and have for over a year, but I still have to check constantly even though I eat the exact same things and know exactly how many calories I have left over before exercise and I don't eat back any exercise calories. If I have a night where I decide to eat a pizza (like Thanksgiving, Christmas, or my birthday) then I will go into a panic trying to figure out how much I need to exercise and how many foods I can't eat so I don't go over my calorie limit.

    Are you the OP who is wasting energy being jealous of other people? No? ok then.
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    I don't understand how a few moments of feeling jealous is such a huge horrible waste of energy.

    That's the same thing as saying "your feelings are completely invalid"

    Like telling someone who is going through a rough time in their marriage "you're wasting energy feeling sad/frustrated"
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    I think any negative feeling can be turned into a positive if dealt with the right way.

    If I see something that I like but don't have, and recognize a feeling of jealousy, then *maybe* eventually I can say "OK is it realistic for me to make that as a goal for myself. If so, what steps do I need to take to get there. If not, what can I do that will give me a similar feeling of satisfaction?".

    But for me... when I first recognize that feeling... sometimes I just need to see if other people have a similar feeling, and connect with them so we can help each other through that negativity and help each other turn it into a positive.

    I don't see why that is considered a huge waste of time. But that's just me.
  • zipa78
    zipa78 Posts: 354 Member
    randomtai wrote: »
    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It doesn't matter if it's second nature or not. I don't need to weigh my food in order to be able to eat approximately the amount of calories that I have planned, but I do need to make a conscious effort of eating right. If I just let go and not "force" my self to make good choices I'll end up on the couch every night with a bag of chips, a tub of Ben & Jerry's or a sixpack.
  • yoovie
    yoovie Posts: 17,121 Member
    JFC!
  • ShrinkingMuslimah
    ShrinkingMuslimah Posts: 99 Member
    zipa78 wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if it's second nature or not. I don't need to weigh my food in order to be able to eat approximately the amount of calories that I have planned, but I do need to make a conscious effort of eating right. If I just let go and not "force" my self to make good choices I'll end up on the couch every night with a bag of chips, a tub of Ben & Jerry's or a sixpack.

    ^^ this
  • hoyalawya2003
    hoyalawya2003 Posts: 631 Member
    I struggled with this, too, until I read the Beck Diet Solution (which isn't really a diet). The author's take was: yes, it is unfair that you have to track while other people don't and are naturally slim. But being upset about how unfair it is won't make you lose weight. You have to live with what is. I've finally accepted that I will have to track the rest of my life, and as others on this site have mentioned, I view it kind of like balancing my checkbook/budgeting. I am not at all invalidating your feelings--I think it is actually accepting those feelings and validating them that helped me get past them. I hope you can do that, too.
  • LiveLoveRunFar
    LiveLoveRunFar Posts: 176 Member
    Most people I know count calories and watch food intake. People SAY they can eat whatever they want and not gain weight, but the ones I've met who say that really can't. If you watch them eat, they are very conscious of what they are eating. Unless you are extremely active you will have to always watch what you eat to stay in shape.
  • AglaeaC
    AglaeaC Posts: 1,974 Member
    edited December 2014
    A few things comes to mind:
    - Everyone has something they struggle with.

    - Don't compare yourself to anyone else but you. Someone else might be miles ahead of you in the nutrition department, but in some other area of life they most certainly are behind you. Did you even think this thought when you began to beat yourself up emotionally and putting impossible-to-meet expectations on yourself?

    - Just because someone is slim, doesn't mean they are fit. You want fitness. If you haven't had fitness, you need to do something new to reach such a state. It will take time. Practice patience.

    - This whole overwhelm of what is going to happen in ten years, sigh. We may not be here in ten years from now. We might have been killed in a car accident or caught a deadly infection or something else. Live in the moment, you have neither your past nor your future but only your present (Master Oogway, Kung Fu Panda: "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.")

    - Self-kindness isn't dense at all, in fact it's quite a nice concept. But if you seek out all the bad stuff or struggles or challenges, you most certainly won't reach a state of self-kindness ever. It's all in your perspective and how you choose to view life. I'm saying this one as much to OP as to the person who complained about "all the happy" people in the forums. We all have a choice and we can choose to make a list of the crap in our lives or we can choose to bring forth, to the top of our consciousness, what is good. Inevitably everyone can make a List of Doom, should they so desire, but what on earth is the point in that? What joy does such a conscious effort bring to an everyday life that is modest and, well, everyday? I find that practicing gratitude is very helpful in fighting negative thoughts. Do you feel grateful every day for something good in your life? I do. It's an active effort. Because I choose to think those thoughts.

    I have neither eating disorders nor Asperger's, but I have other extremely challenging stuff going on currently. You'd be exhausted if I told you all of it. Instead I'll end with my favourite quote of all times, by Eleanor Roosevelt:
    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
    In this case I refer to the fact that you are comparing yourself to extreme extents to others, when you should only focus on your own journey. Good luck.
  • 1stplace4health
    1stplace4health Posts: 523 Member
    I think it's a matter of training yourself to *want* to eat healthier. I have friends who have trouble putting on weight because all they eat are veggies and chicken. Me? I crave fast food and pizza and seriously have an aversion to cooking. Last year when I lost super fast I was in a habit of cooking frequently. Now, with stress, feeling depressed, and my fiancée deployed, I find it hard to eat what I've even taken the time to cook because I want the greasy "comfort" stuff.
    Maybe I'm lazy. Maybe my view of food is unhealthy... I want to eat things I enjoy and flat out: I DONT enjoy vegetables or repetition or cooking or left overs. I also DONT enjoy the way I feel after eating fast food.... but it's easier. Maybe one day I will learn to love it... until then, it's a struggle :disappointed:


    exactly

  • randomtai
    randomtai Posts: 9,003 Member
    AglaeaC wrote: »
    A few things comes to mind:
    - Everyone has something they struggle with.

    by Eleanor Roosevelt:
    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
    In this case I refer to the fact that you are comparing yourself to extreme extents to others, when you should only focus on your own journey. Good luck.

    All of this. ^^^^
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    randomtai wrote: »

    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It would be nice if that's how reality worked. Unfortunately, having conversations with people who have different eating habits than I do, and logging my food are two completely different things. Also, as I have said before, I put a LOT of my daily energy into logging.

    Every person is different, thinks differently, functions differently. So for someone else to determine what would make something 'second nature' to me isn't going to be very fair or accurate.

    I'm sure I'll get there eventually with my logging, but for now it takes up as much time out of my day as I'm capable of giving.

    how much actual time does it take you to log a days food?
  • yoovie
    yoovie Posts: 17,121 Member
    edited December 2014
    I used the word 'obsessed' with about 18 grains of salt. I didn't mean you had a clinical unhealthy preoccupation with someone else. I used the word casually. I was trying to encourage you to turn your attention to learning your own body and finding your own amazingness instead of comparing yourself to other people. Because that energy that is spent thinking about what they dont have to think about, could be used to think about the things you can do and will do and are destined to become.

    You yourself just said that "Every person is different, thinks differently, functions differently. So for someone else to determine what would make something 'second nature' to me isn't going to be very fair or accurate."

    So for you to sit and say over and over again how other people are different than you, is a bit redundant for no reason. You already know they aren't you.

    When I said that, after being at this for awhile it would become second nature to you - I wasn't putting negative demands on you or expecting more of you than anyone else.

    First time we brushed our own teeth we thought about it the whole time, up up up down down up down up down circle circle circle top bottom left right - now we don't. Now we just brush our teeth. Our body knows what to do. After like 4 years of counting calories, heck, now I just eyeball everything. I've trained myself well through repetition.

    Constant repetitive actions eventually can go on autopilot if you put careful thought into training yourself.

    Some people dont need to learn to eat healthily if they have never had to watch how they eat. So of course they dont bargain between burgers and salads - what reason have they to do this? There has never been a reason. They are not you.

    And you are not them - you do have a reason to think differently. You are making changes to your entire life and you have gumption and you are willing to do what is necessary - even if that is just venting out of frustration occasionally because some things seem easier for others.

    I get that. Believe me.

    You said you had a hard time being consumed with jealousy over the behaviors that others can adopt but you can't. So vent a little, get it off your chest and then let it go.

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    PS here is why I got the impression that you were more concerned with others' thought patterns instead of your own potential.

    They just naturally know when to stop, and what to eat.
    Sometimes they choose a gigantic burger and fries because that's what they crave.
    Sometimes they choose a super healthy salad because that's what they crave.
    They don't think to themselves "well I had a burger yesterday, so I'd better have a salad today" - they just automatically crave it and listen to their bodies.
    Like you said, they stay slim by default that way...

    ...it's not something they 'learned to do' that has become second nature to them. It's something that they really truly don't think about, don't care about. I have asked them to guestimate how many calories they have in a day and they aren't even able to guess how many calories is in an apple...

    Every person is different, thinks differently, functions differently.
  • zipa78 wrote: »
    randomtai wrote: »
    If you put this much energy into your logging, it would be second nature for you. :ohwell:

    It doesn't matter if it's second nature or not. I don't need to weigh my food in order to be able to eat approximately the amount of calories that I have planned, but I do need to make a conscious effort of eating right. If I just let go and not "force" my self to make good choices I'll end up on the couch every night with a bag of chips, a tub of Ben & Jerry's or a sixpack.


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    Lightweight. :wink:
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