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OnsionPosting this for more discussion.
Mods / Admins / Niner, I'm aware that you may not like the video, but please contact me if you're going to take it down. This is purely, as I said for discussion and I'd thought that I'd bring a straight edge vegan (Onision) into this.
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Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.0 -
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tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.0 -
tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
YES THIS THANK YOU THAT IS ALL. Unless you have a medical condition that makes you unable to consume gluten for medical reasons (Celiac, wheat allergy, etc.) you can consume gluten.
Goodbye.
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emily_stew wrote: »I think I deserve a medal for actually watching that entire video. Wow.
Gluten isn't bad. I Gluten. I also do not have celiac or any other intestinal disease, if I did that would be another story since gluten really only affects the people with those diseases.
You deserve a medal for this comment too.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.
Name one.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.
Very few, if any. Even the researcher who invented the condition of "gluten sensitivity" retracted his stance and said the condition does not actually exist.0 -
If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.
Name one.
Crohn's, UC, peptic ulcers0 -
myheartsabattleground wrote: »[WARNING: Wear headphones ! Swearing, and sensitive content.
I Onsion
Posting this for more discussion.
Mods / Admins / Niner, I'm aware that you may not like the video, but please contact me if you're going to take it down. This is purely, as I said for discussion and I'd thought that I'd bring a straight edge vegan (Onision) into this.
ZZzzzzzzzzzz.... I want my 3:50 minutes back.
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redraidergirl2009 wrote: »If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?
Nocebo.
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redraidergirl2009 wrote: »If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?
For the same reason people get headaches when they're told that the food they're eating contains MSG, even when there actually isn't any MSG in the food. It's mostly psychosomatic.0 -
Certain autoimmune diseases are linked to wheat sensitvity, such as type 1 diabetes and Sjogren's syndrome. The bottom line is, if you have a clean bill of health and no digestion issues, eat wheat if you like. But if you have a family history of autoimmune disease and/or are symptomatic after eating wheat, then a trial gluten-free diet certainly won't hurt you, especially if you are replacing gluten with fresh fruits and veggies. If after a few weeks you feel better without wheat, stick with it. If not, go back to what you were doing before. I tire of the alarmists on both ends of the spectrum. Wheat is not the devil. And those who chose to be gluten free are not all nut jobs.0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.
Name one.
Crohn's, UC, peptic ulcers
I have a GI disease, and I can tell you that all sorts of food can jack up your system just because your body doesn't work the way it's supposed to. It's not limited to gluten, and not everyone with GI diseases are impacted the same way by the same things. Gluten doesn't impact me. With celiac disease it's gluten that is causing the problems, end of story there is nothing else.
From Chron's and Colitis Foundation of America
"Decreasing poorly digestible carbohydrates may decrease symptoms of gas, bloat, cramps, and diarrhea in patients with IBD, but that is not the same thing as decreasing the inflammation, or affecting the disease process. Unlike the gluten-free diet for celiac sprue, which has a well-researched basis, and well-demonstrated track record for affecting the underlying mechanisms at work in the disease process, the SCD (The Specific Carbohydrate Diet ) does not. Bottom line: it may be worth a try (there are plenty of other diets being touted in the marketplace), but do not abandon your conventional treatment, and keep in touch with your doctor."
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myheartsabattleground wrote: »...a straight edge vegan...
WTF is a "straight edge vegan"?
It must imply that other vegans are potheads or something... that's my guess.0 -
I saw the name "Onision" and knew watching it would be a waste of time.
That's the same guy that thinks it's okay to feed a cat (an obligate carnivore) a vegetarian diet. Doesn't surprise me he knows just as much (as little, rather) about human nutrition.0 -
I am actually one of those people who develops inflammation, pain, nausea, and vomiting out both ends (TMI) when I consume wheat/gluten products. I tend to lose too much weight from not getting enough nutrition, not being able to eat, and from my body trying to purge the bad stuff.
In the last couple of years before I discovered what was causing it, my co-workers actually thought I had cancer because I looked so terrible, and was getting worse over time. My doctor ordered me to eliminate gluten, so I did. My official diagnosis is IBS with non-celiac gluten sensitivity. (Except I don't really have IBS anymore now that the gluten is gone.)
Since eliminating gluten, my inflammation markers in my blood tests have dropped dramatically, I'm not anemic, and I no longer get sick after eating. It's been a couple of years now, and I am NOT going back to being sick all the time, like I had been for over a decade. I don't care what the Interwebz and it's many expertz say. They don't have to live on the bathroom floor for hours on end, waiting for the next wave of nausea and vomiting to pass. If you haven't suffered through it, your opinion means nothing to me.
I agree that if you don't have any medical reasons to avoid gluten, you shouldn't bother. It's somewhat inconvenient and it isn't a solution for weight problems. However, I'm not sure why all the hate for people who voluntarily eliminate gluten. There's nothing unhealthy about going gluten free, unless you start eating a lot of high-sugar, high-calorie gluten free processed foods. There are certainly other ways to get whole grains, fiber and vitamins than through wheat products.
There seems to be a lot of unnecessary hate out there for gluten free people. If it's not dangerous, what do you care if someone cuts a food out of their diet? Don't even worry about it.0 -
redraidergirl2009 wrote: »If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?
Perhaps because of fermentable carbohydrates (FODMAPS) and not gluten.0 -
I agree that if you don't have any medical reasons to avoid gluten, you shouldn't bother. It's somewhat inconvenient and it isn't a solution for weight problems. However, I'm not sure why all the hate for people who voluntarily eliminate gluten. There's nothing unhealthy about going gluten free, unless you start eating a lot of high-sugar, high-calorie gluten free processed foods. There are certainly other ways to get whole grains, fiber and vitamins than through wheat products.
There seems to be a lot of unnecessary hate out there for gluten free people. If it's not dangerous, what do you care if someone cuts a food out of their diet? Don't even worry about it.
Thank you... the voice of reason. OK moderators...now you can shut this thread down. This is the last rational comment needed here.
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I take a bump of gluten before clubbing with my bro's downtown.0
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Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »redraidergirl2009 wrote: »If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?
Perhaps because of fermentable carbohydrates (FODMAPS) and not gluten.
Gluten containing foods are some of the primary FODMAPS, so it doesn't really matter. If you have a FODMAP problem, you probably shouldn't eat gluten containing foods anyway. Gluten free foods help with FODMAP issues. The basic result is the same, whether you have gluten sensitivity or issues with FODMAPs: gluten (a major FODMAP) elimination improves symptoms.0 -
Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »redraidergirl2009 wrote: »If no other conditions besides celiac disease affect people if they eat gluten then why do people report less intestinal discomfort who have tested negative for celiac disease but have discomfort eating it?
Perhaps because of fermentable carbohydrates (FODMAPS) and not gluten.
Gluten containing foods are some of the primary FODMAPS, so it doesn't really matter. If you have a FODMAP problem, you probably shouldn't eat gluten containing foods anyway. Gluten free foods help with FODMAP issues. The basic result is the same, whether you have gluten sensitivity or issues with FODMAPs: gluten (a major FODMAP) elimination improves symptoms.
Nope, it's wrong to assume that a problem with FODMAPS means you should eliminate gluten containing foods. Fructans tend to cause the most problems, so for those people, they could reduce/restrict certain foods in the fructan category, but find that they can still consume small amounts of wheat and be fine. It's usually large quantities of wheat that are a problem and it's a matter of elimination and slow re-introduction to determine tolerable amounts. Eliminating gluten because of a FODMAP problem is overkill.
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The problem doesn't come from people choosing to cut out gluten, it comes from people insisting that everyone else needs to cut out gluten.I am actually one of those people who develops inflammation, pain, nausea, and vomiting out both ends (TMI) when I consume wheat/gluten products. I tend to lose too much weight from not getting enough nutrition, not being able to eat, and from my body trying to purge the bad stuff.
In the last couple of years before I discovered what was causing it, my co-workers actually thought I had cancer because I looked so terrible, and was getting worse over time. My doctor ordered me to eliminate gluten, so I did. My official diagnosis is IBS with non-celiac gluten sensitivity. (Except I don't really have IBS anymore now that the gluten is gone.)
Since eliminating gluten, my inflammation markers in my blood tests have dropped dramatically, I'm not anemic, and I no longer get sick after eating. It's been a couple of years now, and I am NOT going back to being sick all the time, like I had been for over a decade. I don't care what the Interwebz and it's many expertz say. They don't have to live on the bathroom floor for hours on end, waiting for the next wave of nausea and vomiting to pass. If you haven't suffered through it, your opinion means nothing to me.
I agree that if you don't have any medical reasons to avoid gluten, you shouldn't bother. It's somewhat inconvenient and it isn't a solution for weight problems. However, I'm not sure why all the hate for people who voluntarily eliminate gluten. There's nothing unhealthy about going gluten free, unless you start eating a lot of high-sugar, high-calorie gluten free processed foods. There are certainly other ways to get whole grains, fiber and vitamins than through wheat products.
There seems to be a lot of unnecessary hate out there for gluten free people. If it's not dangerous, what do you care if someone cuts a food out of their diet? Don't even worry about it.
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Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »...It's usually large quantities of wheat that are a problem and it's a matter of elimination and slow re-introduction to determine tolerable amounts. Eliminating gluten because of a FODMAP problem is overkill.
It's not overkill if it alleviates your symptoms and makes you feel better - especially if it's a FODMAP that is particularly troublesome for you, personally. Gluten-containing foods are not required nutrients for good health. If eliminating something that causes you physical distress works, and it won't harm you to do it, why wouldn't you do it?![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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tigersword wrote: »The problem doesn't come from people choosing to cut out gluten, it comes from people insisting that everyone else needs to cut out gluten.
Well, I guess that could be a problem, since it's just silly to say that everyone should be gluten-free. But it's really more of an annoyance than a problem, per se. The thing about GF, is that it's not dangerous, like some of these other fads. There's really no need to rescue the ignorant masses from the GF-pushers. Even if it doesn't help them, it won't harm them to eat less wheat. It's not really that big of a problem. When I see people pushing something that doesn't fit for me, I just ignore it. Problem solved.
I just haven't seen this problem that you speak of - where all these hard-core GF people are pushing GF onto everyone else. I believe you if you say so, I just haven't personally seen it. Maybe it's in the media a lot or something. I don't watch TV talk shows, or Dr.Oz, or any of those flakes, so I guess I missed it. I myself don't advocate for everyone to go gluten free. If it won't benefit you to do so, why should you?
I've seen people talk about their own experiences going gluten free, and I talk about it when I'm asked, but I don't ever see or hear rants about everyone needing to do it. I've seen plenty about how everyone should go low-carb, but that's not the same as gluten free at all.
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Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »...It's usually large quantities of wheat that are a problem and it's a matter of elimination and slow re-introduction to determine tolerable amounts. Eliminating gluten because of a FODMAP problem is overkill.
It's not overkill if it alleviates your symptoms and makes you feel better - especially if it's a FODMAP that is particularly troublesome for you, personally. Gluten-containing foods are not required nutrients for good health. If eliminating something that causes you physical distress works, and it won't harm you to do it, why wouldn't you do it?
Because if it's a FODMAP issue, gluten isn't a FODMAP and gluten containing foods such as bread are considered troublesome for those with IBS only in large quantities. Elimination may certainly alleviate symptoms for those sensitive to fructans but so may simply reducing the quantity of wheat products. Why eliminate if reduction alleviates symptoms just the same?
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Postural Orthostatic Tachcardia Syndrome. Well many cases of POTS benefit from a gluten free diet but its mot required by all. My wife not only needs a gf diet but also requires low carb.FunkyTobias wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »tigersword wrote: »Without watching the video, I'm just going to point out that, unless you have celiac disease, gluten is not bad for you. To even hint otherwise shows a complete ignorance of the topic.
There's evidence that we've been baking and eating bread for over 30,000 years. If it's bad for us, then we'd have died out long ago.
That's not true. There are other medical conditions that are exacerbated by gluten.
Name one.
While i agree its wrong to suggest cutting gluten without a need or desire, but it just as wrong to suggest that no one outside of celiacs have gluten issues.
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I am actually one of those people who develops inflammation, pain, nausea, and vomiting out both ends (TMI) when I consume wheat/gluten products. I tend to lose too much weight from not getting enough nutrition, not being able to eat, and from my body trying to purge the bad stuff.
In the last couple of years before I discovered what was causing it, my co-workers actually thought I had cancer because I looked so terrible, and was getting worse over time. My doctor ordered me to eliminate gluten, so I did. My official diagnosis is IBS with non-celiac gluten sensitivity. (Except I don't really have IBS anymore now that the gluten is gone.)
Since eliminating gluten, my inflammation markers in my blood tests have dropped dramatically, I'm not anemic, and I no longer get sick after eating. It's been a couple of years now, and I am NOT going back to being sick all the time, like I had been for over a decade. I don't care what the Interwebz and it's many expertz say. They don't have to live on the bathroom floor for hours on end, waiting for the next wave of nausea and vomiting to pass. If you haven't suffered through it, your opinion means nothing to me.
I agree that if you don't have any medical reasons to avoid gluten, you shouldn't bother. It's somewhat inconvenient and it isn't a solution for weight problems. However, I'm not sure why all the hate for people who voluntarily eliminate gluten. There's nothing unhealthy about going gluten free, unless you start eating a lot of high-sugar, high-calorie gluten free processed foods. There are certainly other ways to get whole grains, fiber and vitamins than through wheat products.
There seems to be a lot of unnecessary hate out there for gluten free people. If it's not dangerous, what do you care if someone cuts a food out of their diet? Don't even worry about it.
Very well said....I concur..... been there done that!! Everybody bugs me because I don't eat foods containing gluten... well they should be around me a few hours later to next day!! I can gas everyone out of the house and many trips to the bathroom...NOT funny!!0 -
^this. I've only known about 2 people to be -legitimately- intolerant of gluten. Most of the others just think its "healthier" or that they will lose weight---which actually backfired for a girl I knew from high school. I think she ended up gaining around 30 lbs after going gluten freeherrspoons wrote: »Whilst it is undoubtedly true that some people have coeliac disease and that some people have wheat intolerance to varying degrees, the simple truth is that the overwhelming majority do not.
Unfortunately, people tend to believe complicated lies rather than simple truths sometimes.
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