"Eat to Live" book thoughts?
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I don't think he says anyone NEEDS to follow his diet. Like any diet, it's a recommendation for health from one viewpoint.0
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Laurend224 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Laurend224 wrote: »
Not to me. There is no point in that level of exclusion. None whatsoever.
O.K.I understand that. Which is why I found it unsustainable for the long term, we eat too many nuts and avocados (and olive oil) around here to make it work. I don't eat meat or eggs or dairy for ethical reasons, so in my mind my diet isn't restrictive at all, although some people may say it is. I agree that I don't think restriction (within our own eating parameters) is the key to sustainable diet.
I pretty much eat what I want, it just happens that what I want to eat doesn't come from animals.
I don't think that my plant based life is less of a life though.
I'm confused, doesn't eat to live encourage avocado and nuts?0 -
If you can add meat, it's not a vegetarian plan...
It's not. Really. It's plant based. He actually goes to town on "veganism" and the vegan "agenda" (in one of his books anyway).
He says if you want to eat fish and meat, do it, but he doesn't believe they are healthy.
It's been a while since I read EtL, but as I recall, there's not much he says "don't eat". But rather a lot of "eat more plants".
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That's not quite accurate. But then, the webMD review of south beach calls it high protein low carb, which it's not.Read the review on WebMD
"The Eat to Live diet is a vegetarian, vegan, low-salt, low-fat, and gluten-free (if you avoid grains with gluten) plan. After the first 6 weeks, when some restrictions loosen, you may add animal products in limited amounts, if you like."
Read more at website...
Not for me...
It also ends with "healthy eating can be costly".... wtf?
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I did it once, my whole family did, and I lost 8 lbs in like 13 days. It's hard but you do get a lot of calcium and protein through veggies and fruits. Surprisingly you do eat a lot, since fruits and veggies are low in calorie! Give it a try!! I may actually start it back up now!! Probably wait until March since we have air of celebrations in Jan and Feb!0
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Why wait. Incorporating celebrations in your lifestyle.ilovelucy711 wrote: »I did it once, my whole family did, and I lost 8 lbs in like 13 days. It's hard but you do get a lot of calcium and protein through veggies and fruits. Surprisingly you do eat a lot, since fruits and veggies are low in calorie! Give it a try!! I may actually start it back up now!! Probably wait until March since we have air of celebrations in Jan and Feb!
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herrspoons wrote: »Eat to live... like you have no life.
No thanks.
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When Fuhrman wrote it, there wasn't as much evidence as now. A 2014 study looked at people over 50 and found 4x more likelihood of dying of cancer in those with high meat protein intakes.I'm reading "Eat to Live" by Joel Fuhrman and wanted to know if anyone else read it and their thoughts on it. I got it because I thought I could learn a lot about nutrition from it. Somethings I'm not sure about so far is that he states high protein diets aren't good for you because "diets rich in animal products and low in fruit and unrefined carbohydrates are likely to significantly increase a person's risk of colon cancer". Not sure if this is true? Also I belive his meal plan consists of mainly plants and no meat or dairy for the first few weeks. Not sure if that is good.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-high-in-meat-proteins-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/
No meat or dairy for a few weeks wouldn't hurt you. There are plenty of plant protein sources.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Laurend224 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Laurend224 wrote: »
Not to me. There is no point in that level of exclusion. None whatsoever.
O.K.I understand that. Which is why I found it unsustainable for the long term, we eat too many nuts and avocados (and olive oil) around here to make it work. I don't eat meat or eggs or dairy for ethical reasons, so in my mind my diet isn't restrictive at all, although some people may say it is. I agree that I don't think restriction (within our own eating parameters) is the key to sustainable diet.
I pretty much eat what I want, it just happens that what I want to eat doesn't come from animals.
I don't think that my plant based life is less of a life though.
I'm confused, doesn't eat to live encourage avocado and nuts? [/quote
I may have confused it with an 80/10/10 book. I read quite a few books of that ilk a couple years ago. I found 80/10/10 unsustainable.
And, coffee. Nectar of the Gods.0 -
So drink caffeine and alcohol. The thing with eat to live: he makes recommendations. You do them all, you do some of them. Or you do none. It's not really a binary thing.herrspoons wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Eat to live... like you have no life.
No thanks.
How so?
Lack of caffeine and alcohol, pointless restrictions. The usual.
fwiw, he doesn't say don't drink wine. He says it's not the most healthful choice to make... but whatever.0 -
O.K.I understand that. Which is why I found it unsustainable for the long term, we eat too many nuts and avocados (and olive oil) around here to make it work. I don't eat meat or eggs or dairy for ethical reasons, so in my mind my diet isn't restrictive at all, although some people may say it is. I agree that I don't think restriction (within our own eating parameters) is the key to sustainable diet.
I pretty much eat what I want, it just happens that what I want to eat doesn't come from animals.
I don't think that my plant based life is less of a life though.I'm confused, doesn't eat to live encourage avocado and nuts?
If memory serves. He talks a lot about the benefits of nuts. And encourages avocado. He's not a big fan of oils and encourages limiting them as he believes they lack nutrients.I may have confused it with an 80/10/10 book. I read quite a few books of that ilk a couple years ago. I found 80/10/10 unsustainable.
And, coffee. Nectar of the Gods.0 -
I read it a while back, tried it for a few months, but I was really not enjoying what I was eating. I am not much of a meat eater, anyway. Too much fruit was not good for me either...high carb.
After floundering for over a year and not really making any progress, I stopped logging food and ate with abandon.
Now, after reading The One, One, One plan, I have finally found my strategy for eating. Having a carb, a protein, and a fat at each meal along with lots of veggies is keeping my macros balanced.0 -
Basically a 400% increase in the likelihood of someone dieing of cancer with a direct causation of that cancer from animal protein and of course nothing to do with any other lifestyle factor, at all.....have I mentioned lately that epidemiology is the weapon of mass confusion. People believe this stuff verbatim, interesting. Information is more often than not confused for knowledge and wisdom.....WalkingAlong wrote: »
When Fuhrman wrote it, there wasn't as much evidence as now. A 2014 study looked at people over 50 and found 4x more likelihood of dying of cancer in those with high meat protein intakes.I'm reading "Eat to Live" by Joel Fuhrman and wanted to know if anyone else read it and their thoughts on it. I got it because I thought I could learn a lot about nutrition from it. Somethings I'm not sure about so far is that he states high protein diets aren't good for you because "diets rich in animal products and low in fruit and unrefined carbohydrates are likely to significantly increase a person's risk of colon cancer". Not sure if this is true? Also I belive his meal plan consists of mainly plants and no meat or dairy for the first few weeks. Not sure if that is good.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-high-in-meat-proteins-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/
No meat or dairy for a few weeks wouldn't hurt you. There are plenty of plant protein sources.
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herrspoons wrote: »There is no need to exclude anything from one's diet short of diagnosed medical issues.
Everybody - every single person - excludes all kinds of foods from their diets.
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I'm not sure why you assume anyone read that as 'causation' or that no one knows how to process information (besides you).neanderthin wrote: »
Basically a 400% increase in the likelihood of someone dieing of cancer with a direct causation of that cancer from animal protein and of course nothing to do with any other lifestyle factor, at all.....have I mentioned lately that epidemiology is the weapon of mass confusion. People believe this stuff verbatim, interesting. Information is more often than not confused for knowledge and wisdom.....WalkingAlong wrote: »
When Fuhrman wrote it, there wasn't as much evidence as now. A 2014 study looked at people over 50 and found 4x more likelihood of dying of cancer in those with high meat protein intakes.I'm reading "Eat to Live" by Joel Fuhrman and wanted to know if anyone else read it and their thoughts on it. I got it because I thought I could learn a lot about nutrition from it. Somethings I'm not sure about so far is that he states high protein diets aren't good for you because "diets rich in animal products and low in fruit and unrefined carbohydrates are likely to significantly increase a person's risk of colon cancer". Not sure if this is true? Also I belive his meal plan consists of mainly plants and no meat or dairy for the first few weeks. Not sure if that is good.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-high-in-meat-proteins-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/
No meat or dairy for a few weeks wouldn't hurt you. There are plenty of plant protein sources.
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Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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Just "better".
Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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But regardless I don't think following his approach necessitates that.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're trying to lose, and you're going about your day, you've eaten, say, 2/3 of your calories, you're close to the top of your carb macro...and family calls. Some sort of cultural celebration that involves Mexican food or whatever. What do you do? Do you eat it? Do you not? You make a decision. Either way, it's all good.0 -
Eat to live is great. especially is if you have a lot of weight to lose or have heart disease or diabetes. After my moms heart attack I had her follow the plan about 90% and her heart disease was reversed.
It is pretty extreme was it's a good way to jump start weight loss and detox0
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