"Eat to Live" book thoughts?
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So drink caffeine and alcohol. The thing with eat to live: he makes recommendations. You do them all, you do some of them. Or you do none. It's not really a binary thing.herrspoons wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Eat to live... like you have no life.
No thanks.
How so?
Lack of caffeine and alcohol, pointless restrictions. The usual.
fwiw, he doesn't say don't drink wine. He says it's not the most healthful choice to make... but whatever.0 -
O.K.I understand that. Which is why I found it unsustainable for the long term, we eat too many nuts and avocados (and olive oil) around here to make it work. I don't eat meat or eggs or dairy for ethical reasons, so in my mind my diet isn't restrictive at all, although some people may say it is. I agree that I don't think restriction (within our own eating parameters) is the key to sustainable diet.
I pretty much eat what I want, it just happens that what I want to eat doesn't come from animals.
I don't think that my plant based life is less of a life though.
I'm confused, doesn't eat to live encourage avocado and nuts?
If memory serves. He talks a lot about the benefits of nuts. And encourages avocado. He's not a big fan of oils and encourages limiting them as he believes they lack nutrients.I may have confused it with an 80/10/10 book. I read quite a few books of that ilk a couple years ago. I found 80/10/10 unsustainable.
And, coffee. Nectar of the Gods.0 -
I read it a while back, tried it for a few months, but I was really not enjoying what I was eating. I am not much of a meat eater, anyway. Too much fruit was not good for me either...high carb.
After floundering for over a year and not really making any progress, I stopped logging food and ate with abandon.
Now, after reading The One, One, One plan, I have finally found my strategy for eating. Having a carb, a protein, and a fat at each meal along with lots of veggies is keeping my macros balanced.0 -
Basically a 400% increase in the likelihood of someone dieing of cancer with a direct causation of that cancer from animal protein and of course nothing to do with any other lifestyle factor, at all.....have I mentioned lately that epidemiology is the weapon of mass confusion. People believe this stuff verbatim, interesting. Information is more often than not confused for knowledge and wisdom.....WalkingAlong wrote: »
When Fuhrman wrote it, there wasn't as much evidence as now. A 2014 study looked at people over 50 and found 4x more likelihood of dying of cancer in those with high meat protein intakes.I'm reading "Eat to Live" by Joel Fuhrman and wanted to know if anyone else read it and their thoughts on it. I got it because I thought I could learn a lot about nutrition from it. Somethings I'm not sure about so far is that he states high protein diets aren't good for you because "diets rich in animal products and low in fruit and unrefined carbohydrates are likely to significantly increase a person's risk of colon cancer". Not sure if this is true? Also I belive his meal plan consists of mainly plants and no meat or dairy for the first few weeks. Not sure if that is good.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-high-in-meat-proteins-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/
No meat or dairy for a few weeks wouldn't hurt you. There are plenty of plant protein sources.
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herrspoons wrote: »There is no need to exclude anything from one's diet short of diagnosed medical issues.
Everybody - every single person - excludes all kinds of foods from their diets.
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I'm not sure why you assume anyone read that as 'causation' or that no one knows how to process information (besides you).neanderthin wrote: »
Basically a 400% increase in the likelihood of someone dieing of cancer with a direct causation of that cancer from animal protein and of course nothing to do with any other lifestyle factor, at all.....have I mentioned lately that epidemiology is the weapon of mass confusion. People believe this stuff verbatim, interesting. Information is more often than not confused for knowledge and wisdom.....WalkingAlong wrote: »
When Fuhrman wrote it, there wasn't as much evidence as now. A 2014 study looked at people over 50 and found 4x more likelihood of dying of cancer in those with high meat protein intakes.I'm reading "Eat to Live" by Joel Fuhrman and wanted to know if anyone else read it and their thoughts on it. I got it because I thought I could learn a lot about nutrition from it. Somethings I'm not sure about so far is that he states high protein diets aren't good for you because "diets rich in animal products and low in fruit and unrefined carbohydrates are likely to significantly increase a person's risk of colon cancer". Not sure if this is true? Also I belive his meal plan consists of mainly plants and no meat or dairy for the first few weeks. Not sure if that is good.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-high-in-meat-proteins-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/
No meat or dairy for a few weeks wouldn't hurt you. There are plenty of plant protein sources.
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Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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Just "better".
Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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But regardless I don't think following his approach necessitates that.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're trying to lose, and you're going about your day, you've eaten, say, 2/3 of your calories, you're close to the top of your carb macro...and family calls. Some sort of cultural celebration that involves Mexican food or whatever. What do you do? Do you eat it? Do you not? You make a decision. Either way, it's all good.0 -
Eat to live is great. especially is if you have a lot of weight to lose or have heart disease or diabetes. After my moms heart attack I had her follow the plan about 90% and her heart disease was reversed.
It is pretty extreme was it's a good way to jump start weight loss and detox0 -
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billieljaime wrote: »Here are his current thoughts on coffee, like any nutritionist he has his own agenda and opinions but it all boils down to the same THING
moderation and the standard nutritional recommendation of one cup per day, which is what I hear out of every professional dr/nutritionists mouth, no different than anyone else, bet he thinks the same on wine and liquor because ANYTHING in excess, coffee, wine, bacon can be bad for your health and that is his ANGLE beyond the plants....
https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/does-coffee-have-health-benefits.aspx
I personally find him to be one of the most controversial and informative nutritionists out there today, yes some of his views are extreme it is up to you to decide what to adopt or not, alot of his information is really quite current, standard and very good.
He left out many of the potential positive benefits of coffee consumption eg. Reduced risk of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's Disease, liver and colorectal cancer, depression, increased cognitive function, several large cohort studies suggesting reduced risk of type 2 diabetes. His opinion piece didn't provide a balanced discussion of pros and cons. Like you said, he has his own agenda.
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While this was specifically for Niner, who spoke of the role of cultural foods, sure.billieljaime wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Just "better".
Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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But regardless I don't think following his approach necessitates that.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're trying to lose, and you're going about your day, you've eaten, say, 2/3 of your calories, you're close to the top of your carb macro...and family calls. Some sort of cultural celebration that involves Mexican food or whatever. What do you do? Do you eat it? Do you not? You make a decision. Either way, it's all good.
how would you handle it if you ate 2/3 of your calories? You would go and try to fit it in?
make a salad out of taco toppings?
bring your own food if you have to
you handle it how you have to when your trying to lose weight
how would you handle it if you only had 1/3 calories left and were invited to a taco feast regardless of your food preference?
You can still eat the taco, your not a vegetarian here you would go and eat a taco, and use moderation as usual.
YES, this is probably how you'd do it if you followed "eat to live". You'd make some choices.You might eat a taco salad, you might bring your own food.... You'd make choices. Some folks who follow eat to live, would eat some animal products, be it cheese or meat, some wouldn't. Some would bring their own food, some would know their goals well enough to find something at a Mexican food cultural feast that exactly fit their plan. Some folks would say: heck, it's "just one day" and eat whatever they want. They'd make choices.
Fwiw, my own heritage involves cultural eating, as does my husbands. He's a vegetarian, so he makes some choices. I'm not, but do watch what I eat, so I make some as well.
And we have a great time.
I *strive* to eat the most nutrient dense diet I can. I think it's a great goal. Not something to bemoan or consider unsustainable.
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The approach from the book would be to select a lower meat laden choice. If it were Mexican, I'd eat a steak (rare) taco salad with the works. Eating a taco salad with no meat isn't a taco salad to me.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Just "better".
Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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But regardless I don't think following his approach necessitates that.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're trying to lose, and you're going about your day, you've eaten, say, 2/3 of your calories, you're close to the top of your carb macro...and family calls. Some sort of cultural celebration that involves Mexican food or whatever. What do you do? Do you eat it? Do you not? You make a decision. Either way, it's all good.
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billieljaime wrote: »Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Here are his current thoughts on coffee, like any nutritionist he has his own agenda and opinions but it all boils down to the same THING
moderation and the standard nutritional recommendation of one cup per day, which is what I hear out of every professional dr/nutritionists mouth, no different than anyone else, bet he thinks the same on wine and liquor because ANYTHING in excess, coffee, wine, bacon can be bad for your health and that is his ANGLE beyond the plants....
https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/does-coffee-have-health-benefits.aspx
I personally find him to be one of the most controversial and informative nutritionists out there today, yes some of his views are extreme it is up to you to decide what to adopt or not, alot of his information is really quite current, standard and very good.
He left out many of the potential positive benefits of coffee consumption eg. Reduced risk of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's Disease, liver and colorectal cancer, depression, increased cognitive function, several large cohort studies suggesting reduced risk of type 2 diabetes. His opinion piece didn't provide a balanced discussion of pros and cons. Like you said, he has his own agenda.
Of course he has an agenda just like Dr Atkins, or Weight Watchers.
EVERYONE touting their views has an agenda, he does NOT say "dont drink coffee"
he says drink it in moderation
we could all list the numerous wonderful things we know that coffee can do, we can list the numerous negative things it can do
be realistic what healthcare professional is going to condone over consumption of coffee?
he, like any other healthcare professional, states enjoy coffee in moderation.
All his other views and opinions on coffee outside of that are irrelevant.
So basically because he did not have an opinion of coffee that you liked, he is wrong and extremist? Even though his professional advice (coffee in moderation) falls in line with what 95% of what most health care professionals would tell you?
be realistic. Separate facts from opinions.
Really? Is that what you read from my post?
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The meat and coffee additions to his original text is to sell more books....bigger audience, more cash, simple. Everyone has a price it appears.Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Here are his current thoughts on coffee, like any nutritionist he has his own agenda and opinions but it all boils down to the same THING
moderation and the standard nutritional recommendation of one cup per day, which is what I hear out of every professional dr/nutritionists mouth, no different than anyone else, bet he thinks the same on wine and liquor because ANYTHING in excess, coffee, wine, bacon can be bad for your health and that is his ANGLE beyond the plants....
https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/does-coffee-have-health-benefits.aspx
I personally find him to be one of the most controversial and informative nutritionists out there today, yes some of his views are extreme it is up to you to decide what to adopt or not, alot of his information is really quite current, standard and very good.
He left out many of the potential positive benefits of coffee consumption eg. Reduced risk of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's Disease, liver and colorectal cancer, depression, increased cognitive function, several large cohort studies suggesting reduced risk of type 2 diabetes. His opinion piece didn't provide a balanced discussion of pros and cons. Like you said, he has his own agenda.
Of course he has an agenda just like Dr Atkins, or Weight Watchers.
EVERYONE touting their views has an agenda, he does NOT say "dont drink coffee"
he says drink it in moderation
we could all list the numerous wonderful things we know that coffee can do, we can list the numerous negative things it can do
be realistic what healthcare professional is going to condone over consumption of coffee?
he, like any other healthcare professional, states enjoy coffee in moderation.
All his other views and opinions on coffee outside of that are irrelevant.
So basically because he did not have an opinion of coffee that you liked, he is wrong and extremist? Even though his professional advice (coffee in moderation) falls in line with what 95% of what most health care professionals would tell you?
be realistic. Separate facts from opinions.
Really? Is that what you read from my post?
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The approach from the book would be to select a lower meat laden choice. If it were Mexican, I'd eat a steak (rare) taco salad with the works. Eating a taco salad with no meat isn't a taco salad to me.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Just "better".
Didn't state that eating that way COULDN'T be celebratory for those who follow it. I stated it for my own opinion on it. There are definitely cultural foods that I eat that wouldn't fit criteria of the book. And deleting them wouldn't make me happy.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I don't recall the book saying don't celebrate.Everyone eats to live. Some just like to live it up better with choices for celebration. And celebration is pretty much a great way to express happiness.
I wouldn't be happy if I only just ate what is mentioned by the book.
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But regardless I don't think following his approach necessitates that.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're trying to lose, and you're going about your day, you've eaten, say, 2/3 of your calories, you're close to the top of your carb macro...and family calls. Some sort of cultural celebration that involves Mexican food or whatever. What do you do? Do you eat it? Do you not? You make a decision. Either way, it's all good.
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And again, you make choices. If you chose the meat: one decision that didn't "follow his book" wouldn't negate all the decisions that did. If that *were* the case, there would be no Christians/Catholics out there.
In fact, his book considers that:
Many of my patients choose to eat only vegan foods in their home and eat animal products as a treat once a week or so when they are out.
But regardless, it's a general lifestyle choice. You don't like it. Fortunately you don't have to live it.
Doesn't make it sad or invalid as a choice, just not one that you like.
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neanderthin wrote: »
The meat and coffee additions to his original text is to sell more books....bigger audience, more cash, simple. Everyone has a price it appears.Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Here are his current thoughts on coffee, like any nutritionist he has his own agenda and opinions but it all boils down to the same THING
moderation and the standard nutritional recommendation of one cup per day, which is what I hear out of every professional dr/nutritionists mouth, no different than anyone else, bet he thinks the same on wine and liquor because ANYTHING in excess, coffee, wine, bacon can be bad for your health and that is his ANGLE beyond the plants....
https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/does-coffee-have-health-benefits.aspx
I personally find him to be one of the most controversial and informative nutritionists out there today, yes some of his views are extreme it is up to you to decide what to adopt or not, alot of his information is really quite current, standard and very good.
He left out many of the potential positive benefits of coffee consumption eg. Reduced risk of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's Disease, liver and colorectal cancer, depression, increased cognitive function, several large cohort studies suggesting reduced risk of type 2 diabetes. His opinion piece didn't provide a balanced discussion of pros and cons. Like you said, he has his own agenda.
Of course he has an agenda just like Dr Atkins, or Weight Watchers.
EVERYONE touting their views has an agenda, he does NOT say "dont drink coffee"
he says drink it in moderation
we could all list the numerous wonderful things we know that coffee can do, we can list the numerous negative things it can do
be realistic what healthcare professional is going to condone over consumption of coffee?
he, like any other healthcare professional, states enjoy coffee in moderation.
All his other views and opinions on coffee outside of that are irrelevant.
So basically because he did not have an opinion of coffee that you liked, he is wrong and extremist? Even though his professional advice (coffee in moderation) falls in line with what 95% of what most health care professionals would tell you?
be realistic. Separate facts from opinions.
Really? Is that what you read from my post?
fwiw
I pulled out the first book.Many of my patients choose to eat only vegan foods in their home and eat animal products as a treat once a week or so when they are out.
andThese individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels.
were the the first two references to eating meat in the first book.
Hasn't differed much since then
Fuhrman, Joel (2011-01-05). Eat to Live: The Amazing Nutrient-Rich Program for Fast and Sustained Weight Loss. Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.0 -
I had about 90 lbs off and stalled for an entire year doing South Beach. So, I read Eat to Live, did the diet (the strict vegan plan) for 6 months, lost about 35 lbs, woke up one day and said, "I can't look at another bean," and quit. It's just so restrictive that I could never do it again. I'm not even sure I could do it if my life depended on it.0
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PS, My doctor cut down my cholesterol meds twice while I was doing Eat to Live. It really works for weight loss and cholesterol lowering. It's just so darn restrictive and difficult to do.0
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njitaliana wrote: »I had about 90 lbs off and stalled for an entire year doing South Beach. So, I read Eat to Live, did the diet (the strict vegan plan) for 6 months, lost about 35 lbs, woke up one day and said, "I can't look at another bean," and quit. It's just so restrictive that I could never do it again. I'm not even sure I could do it if my life depended on it.
Fabulous loss! Do you find that you still consider some of the principles? I don't think I could be a vegan either, but do like the notion, as you know, of being plant "based".0 -
Thanks, my mistake. He personally doesn't endorse either and had read that it had changed, again thanks.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »
The meat and coffee additions to his original text is to sell more books....bigger audience, more cash, simple. Everyone has a price it appears.Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Charlottesometimes23 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »Here are his current thoughts on coffee, like any nutritionist he has his own agenda and opinions but it all boils down to the same THING
moderation and the standard nutritional recommendation of one cup per day, which is what I hear out of every professional dr/nutritionists mouth, no different than anyone else, bet he thinks the same on wine and liquor because ANYTHING in excess, coffee, wine, bacon can be bad for your health and that is his ANGLE beyond the plants....
https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/does-coffee-have-health-benefits.aspx
I personally find him to be one of the most controversial and informative nutritionists out there today, yes some of his views are extreme it is up to you to decide what to adopt or not, alot of his information is really quite current, standard and very good.
He left out many of the potential positive benefits of coffee consumption eg. Reduced risk of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's Disease, liver and colorectal cancer, depression, increased cognitive function, several large cohort studies suggesting reduced risk of type 2 diabetes. His opinion piece didn't provide a balanced discussion of pros and cons. Like you said, he has his own agenda.
Of course he has an agenda just like Dr Atkins, or Weight Watchers.
EVERYONE touting their views has an agenda, he does NOT say "dont drink coffee"
he says drink it in moderation
we could all list the numerous wonderful things we know that coffee can do, we can list the numerous negative things it can do
be realistic what healthcare professional is going to condone over consumption of coffee?
he, like any other healthcare professional, states enjoy coffee in moderation.
All his other views and opinions on coffee outside of that are irrelevant.
So basically because he did not have an opinion of coffee that you liked, he is wrong and extremist? Even though his professional advice (coffee in moderation) falls in line with what 95% of what most health care professionals would tell you?
be realistic. Separate facts from opinions.
Really? Is that what you read from my post?
fwiw
I pulled out the first book.Many of my patients choose to eat only vegan foods in their home and eat animal products as a treat once a week or so when they are out.
andThese individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels.
were the the first two references to eating meat in the first book.
Hasn't differed much since then
Fuhrman, Joel (2011-01-05). Eat to Live: The Amazing Nutrient-Rich Program for Fast and Sustained Weight Loss. Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.
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I have a family member who tries to follow eat to live. He finds it really time consuming, and difficult, and often falls off the wagon, sometimes for months at a time, swearing that NEXT time he'll get it right.
The food requires lots of prep, and multiple expensive ingredients. So that rules it out for me, personally.0 -
melimomTARDIS wrote: »I have a family member who tries to follow eat to live. He finds it really time consuming, and difficult, and often falls off the wagon, sometimes for months at a time, swearing that NEXT time he'll get it right.
The food requires lots of prep, and multiple expensive ingredients. So that rules it out for me, personally.
It's a lot of salad. Why would that require any more prep than any other eating style?0 -
Maybe I dont understand, but he makes a lot of soups. With ground cashews/nutritional yeast, organic spices, and hard to find locally produce. Is that not eat-to-live?
Cuz...even I eat salad FFS.0 -
edited to add- eating a very large broccoli and fruit salad today for lunch, with shredded quorn ch'kn.0
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