Define "healthy" food...
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Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
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Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
^^ How so?
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diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
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I agree with what you are saying..however, the coke is not "empty" you still get a benefit from the calories contained within, yes?
Healthy food and junk food have nothing to do with the calories or even the macro nutrients. It is all about micro nutrients only.
With the soda since it has no micro nutrients is consider junk food. Liquid candy was what it was called when I was a kid.
What's the line between healthy food and junk food? I mean, how many micronutrients does it need and in what percentages to be considered healthy? And is there anything between healthy and junk or are those the only two categories of food?
When talking about vitamins and minerals how can there be a in between. If I remember correctly it was like 10% of a vitamins makes that food healthy which I remember disagreeing with that in class.
How is that 10% determined? What I mean by that is: does it have to have 10% of any one given micro? Or do the micros have to add up to 10%? Or what?
And what I mean by an "in between" is that foods are either healthy or junk and that's all there is? There are no neutral foods? Foods that aren't so bad but maybe don't fit into the category of health foods? Anything at all that doesn't reach 10% of vitamins is junk food? That seems unfair.
I don't know about the 10% thing. Never heard of it before. However, when comparing "junk" to "healthy" as we've been putting it, it's not always a clear cut image. I used cola and orange juice because they're two similar things (soft drinks), but are vastly different in terms of nutritional content.
If you were comparing, say, a premade chicken burger patty and beef patty, both frozen in a box, then it's really a judgement call. There is a lot of grey area in all of this.
IMO (and yes, this is purely my opinion, I'm not going to argue it) I see individual foods like this:
Natural/raw -> home cooked -> factory made, but natural ingredients -> factory made, natural ingredients with chemical additives -> made in a chemical factory
Listed, in Healthiest -> least healthy
I aim for healthier foods, but my actual diet consists of foods from all across the spectrum. This is how I live my life. Your mileage may vary.0 -
Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?0 -
you seem to understand the premise but are stuck on the fact that there is no hard definition of healthy, or clean, or even an empty calorie. these are all relative termschivalryder wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
I suppose I should add that what I just explained there is a clear cut example of what is a "healthy" food and what is not a "healthy" food.
Now, put that together into a 'diet' and you're not longer talking about what a singular healthy food is. You're talking about a diet. You can eat whatever the heck you want, but what you eat can, and will make a different physiologically. Mentally, if you need to eat the donut, then eat the freaking donut because it would be unhealthy to completely ignore your cravings all the time
no, they are just foods with different calorie content, and micro breakdowns...
2 direct comparisons in front of you showing calorie vs micro count, you should be able to clearly state which is better for you. and short of some minor mental aspect that you could consider, the OJ wipes the table over coke any day
that is exactly my point..
there is just food that your body uses for energy ..combine them in certain ways, for certain goals…
if someone wants to drink a cola to get in their calories for the day then so be it…does not mean that one is better than another...
your still missing the micronutrient point. yes, if you have all micros in for a day then it makes no difference but how often does that ever happen without extreme planning and diligence to a very specific diet
This is interesting, and I wonder if it's the crux of the disagreement, or one of them. You seem to be suggesting that because it is very hard to meet all your micro requirements that it is important to maximize them and choose only nutrient dense foods (and presumably choose very carefully).
I didn't follow the Coke vs. orange juice bit, but I personally would consider orange juice not particularly healthy (not particularly unhealthy either, but I don't drink it, and also don't drink Coke, of course, because to me it is less nutritious and more of a calorie bomb than, say, an orange, with no countervailing virtues). If I loved it, I'd probably feel differently (I like it, but like oranges better and various other fruits still better), but then if I really loved Coke I might think it was important to fit into my diet too (although I can't imagine).
However, I guess if you think life is a constant fight to get in adequate micronutrients you might think juice is really healthy and important and be one of those people who juices rather than eating actual fruits and veggies and all that. (Or maybe not--just going from the comment.)
My thoughts are different. It seems to me that humans are pretty darn resilient in environments where food is far more scarce than here. I mean, just imagining the situation of my ancestors a few generations back who were essentially farming and homesteading in climates like that I now live in, and had far less access to fruits and veggies in the winter seems significant. So on the whole I think that if one makes a reasonable effort to get a good variety of nutrient dense foods, such as vegetables, fruits, etc., as well as a good mix of macros, one probably does not have to worry so much about micros, even if one does have a piece of pie on occasion (which typically is not without micros anyway).0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
unfortunately, OP has a job that requires work and stuff …
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I agree with what you are saying..however, the coke is not "empty" you still get a benefit from the calories contained within, yes?
Healthy food and junk food have nothing to do with the calories or even the macro nutrients. It is all about micro nutrients only.
With the soda since it has no micro nutrients is consider junk food. Liquid candy was what it was called when I was a kid.
What's the line between healthy food and junk food? I mean, how many micronutrients does it need and in what percentages to be considered healthy? And is there anything between healthy and junk or are those the only two categories of food?
When talking about vitamins and minerals how can there be a in between. If I remember correctly it was like 10% of a vitamins makes that food healthy which I remember disagreeing with that in class.
How is that 10% determined? What I mean by that is: does it have to have 10% of any one given micro? Or do the micros have to add up to 10%? Or what?
And what I mean by an "in between" is that foods are either healthy or junk and that's all there is? There are no neutral foods? Foods that aren't so bad but maybe don't fit into the category of health foods? Anything at all that doesn't reach 10% of vitamins is junk food? That seems unfair.
If the so called nutrition facts says it has 10% of a particular micro nutrient then by my class it was consider healthy. Now if its has 9% of the micro nutrients. It is still better than it saying not significant enough to put on the nutrition label. Also not all labels are 100% anyways.
BTW there was a test I had that we compare foods to which is healthier. My teacher would call me crazy if I did not put orange juice being healthier than soda.
I think this issues needs to be learn first by people studying it because lets face it. A lot of people die from health issues that happen from eating wrong.0 -
To me, the health value of foods is a continuum, not an on/off. If the consumption of a food has been consistently associated with positive health outcomes(i.e. lower incidence of disease and lower all-cause mortality) across several well controlled studies with high N values and low P values, I would consider it "healthy". Foods that are rich in compounds associated with longevity and lower all-cause mortality are probably also healthy (I consider them to be), but because there are so many synergistic compounds that are not yet understood (the carotenoid group for example), I am not confident that enrichment is equivalent to natural levels, which are found within the the context of multiple compounds with potentially synergistic effects.
I realize correlation is not proof of causation, but in the absence of any better explanation for a persistent, reproducible and dose dependent result, I think it can be considered to be evidence thereof.
Foods which have been associated with negative health outcomes (or contain compounds that have been), would be less healthy in my opinion. This doesn't mean they can't be part of an overall healthy diet, in moderation, but I think they could be considered to be suboptimal in terms of health value, ceteris paribus.
Of course there will always be exceptions (the studies don't show perfect correlation), but I think if there is a statistically and clinically significant correlation over large and diverse groups, over long periods of time, that is strong evidence that some foods are, in fact, healthier than others for most human beings, most of the time.
There may be one optimal diet for humans, but if there is, we haven't found it (as far as I know). I think we can use what we do know, though, to improve our health through our food choices.0 -
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
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Define "Healthy food"? A little off topic but this makes me think of the quote "define pornography" with the answer being "I know it when i see it". I think the same can generally be said about food without getting too technical about it.0
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chivalryder wrote: »prattiger65 wrote: »Orange juice is not one bit healthier than Cola. Is that clear cut enough. Repeating someone else's opinion doesn't make it fact, in fact, it makes your argument weaker. I can drop some Alan Aragon and Bret Contraras quotes that dispute your opinion. You keep telling people that they have a reading problem, it seems you have a problem understanding correlation. No food can singularly be called healthy or unhealthy outside of the diet it is a part of. Your argument is void otherwise.
Without talking about diet, or any outside considerations or variables, explain to me how cola is just as healthy, good for you, as nutritional as, and/or consisting of equal or better macro and micronutrients, when compared directly to orange juice, using factual information, at least one criditable source to back up your claim.
ETA: forgot to mention orange juice.
I contend that they are both Unhealthy. If you tried to survive off of either of them alone you would die. That is a fact. See, you cant separate any food from an overall diet. Lastly, can you cite a source that specifically compares cola and oj? Im doubting it, but who knows. And with this, I will concede the battle, but not the war. I am certain you are a good and well meaning person whom I would enjoy having a debate with in person. I will not change your mind, nor you mine. Ill bow out now, and let you have at it.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
unfortunately, OP has a job that requires work and stuff …
trying to read through the replies …
I agree with what you are saying..however, the coke is not "empty" you still get a benefit from the calories contained within, yes?
Healthy food and junk food have nothing to do with the calories or even the macro nutrients. It is all about micro nutrients only.
With the soda since it has no micro nutrients is consider junk food. Liquid candy was what it was called when I was a kid.
What's the line between healthy food and junk food? I mean, how many micronutrients does it need and in what percentages to be considered healthy? And is there anything between healthy and junk or are those the only two categories of food?
When talking about vitamins and minerals how can there be a in between. If I remember correctly it was like 10% of a vitamins makes that food healthy which I remember disagreeing with that in class.
How is that 10% determined? What I mean by that is: does it have to have 10% of any one given micro? Or do the micros have to add up to 10%? Or what?
And what I mean by an "in between" is that foods are either healthy or junk and that's all there is? There are no neutral foods? Foods that aren't so bad but maybe don't fit into the category of health foods? Anything at all that doesn't reach 10% of vitamins is junk food? That seems unfair.
I don't know about the 10% thing. Never heard of it before. However, when comparing "junk" to "healthy" as we've been putting it, it's not always a clear cut image. I used cola and orange juice because they're two similar things (soft drinks), but are vastly different in terms of nutritional content.
If you were comparing, say, a premade chicken burger patty and beef patty, both frozen in a box, then it's really a judgement call. There is a lot of grey area in all of this.
IMO (and yes, this is purely my opinion, I'm not going to argue it) I see individual foods like this:
Natural/raw -> home cooked -> factory made, but natural ingredients -> factory made, natural ingredients with chemical additives -> made in a chemical factory
Listed, in Healthiest -> least healthy
I aim for healthier foods, but my actual diet consists of foods from all across the spectrum. This is how I live my life. Your mileage may vary.
Kind of my point, though I've been trying to gather more information before making it. Healthy vs. junk seems to be a lot like the definition of pornography: you know it when you see it. It's a bit like defining the difference between blue and green when you get into the aqua and teal part of the spectrum. Because of that it's very subjective and hard to define outside of the context of a larger diet.
We start to get a lot of posts around here this time of year (though I haven't seen many yet) from people who can't figure out how to eat more than 800 calories because they're out of "healthy" food ideas. They've thrown out everything that's not in the top tier of healthy foods and can't eat enough. When we see so many threads like this and so many threads from people asking for help because they can't devote their life to eating only healthy foods, I'm in the camp that starts to say that maybe this unclear definition isn't helping anyone. And maybe it's time to throw out the idea of healthy foods vs. unhealthy foods and start to look at the overall context instead.
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Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
why would it matter?
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Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
Really depends on the bread you're buying.
EX: Ezekiel Sprouted Bread ingredients: Organic Sprouted Wheat, Filtered Water, Organic Sprouted Barley, Organic Sprouted Millet, Organic Malted Barley, Organic Sprouted Lentils, Organic Sprouted Soybeans, Organic Sprouted Spelt, Fresh Yeast, Organic Wheat Gluten, Sea Salt.
So . . .how are those ingredients bad?
There are a lot of breads out there that don't have the ingredients you listed.0 -
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
So bread may not be healthy in terms of ingredients, which can be said of many, if not most, prepared foods.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
you seem to understand the premise but are stuck on the fact that there is no hard definition of healthy, or clean, or even an empty calorie. these are all relative termschivalryder wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
I suppose I should add that what I just explained there is a clear cut example of what is a "healthy" food and what is not a "healthy" food.
Now, put that together into a 'diet' and you're not longer talking about what a singular healthy food is. You're talking about a diet. You can eat whatever the heck you want, but what you eat can, and will make a different physiologically. Mentally, if you need to eat the donut, then eat the freaking donut because it would be unhealthy to completely ignore your cravings all the time
no, they are just foods with different calorie content, and micro breakdowns...
2 direct comparisons in front of you showing calorie vs micro count, you should be able to clearly state which is better for you. and short of some minor mental aspect that you could consider, the OJ wipes the table over coke any day
that is exactly my point..
there is just food that your body uses for energy ..combine them in certain ways, for certain goals…
if someone wants to drink a cola to get in their calories for the day then so be it…does not mean that one is better than another...
your still missing the micronutrient point. yes, if you have all micros in for a day then it makes no difference but how often does that ever happen without extreme planning and diligence to an very specific diet
well again, context of diet has to be considered? If you have hit micros and drink the coke then what is the issue?
The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
This.
I am the OP and I said define healthy, but I also said that you have to take into consideration context of overall diet...
at least, I am pretty sure that is what I said..0 -
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
why would it matter?
Just when I thought we were slowing down here...0 -
Lasmartchika wrote: »Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
I think that's a reasonable position to have, but I think it raises the problem of defining a healthy food as obviously lots of people would claim that meat (or some meat, that which is not lean) and dairy are unhealthy, and others would claim that breads are unhealthy, and still others seem to think fruits are problematic or even nuts (too many calories or too much fat). So the question is what criteria are you using?
My argument would be that there is probably no way to define foods as "healthy" in isolation, without reference to specific goals and how they fit into a diet, because without that there's no way to come up with the criteria to use and to apply it.
That is, I think "provides needed nutrients" is a good criteria--needed for what? Well, for health, energy, to do what you need to do. But then you need to be able to answer those questions and also be able to identify what nutrients are missing. Someone who eats mostly steak and lots of it probably shouldn't consider another piece of steak "healthy" (although that doesn't mean "unhealthy" necessarily), whereas someone who has been on a superlow fat diet perhaps should.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
you seem to understand the premise but are stuck on the fact that there is no hard definition of healthy, or clean, or even an empty calorie. these are all relative termschivalryder wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
I suppose I should add that what I just explained there is a clear cut example of what is a "healthy" food and what is not a "healthy" food.
Now, put that together into a 'diet' and you're not longer talking about what a singular healthy food is. You're talking about a diet. You can eat whatever the heck you want, but what you eat can, and will make a different physiologically. Mentally, if you need to eat the donut, then eat the freaking donut because it would be unhealthy to completely ignore your cravings all the time
no, they are just foods with different calorie content, and micro breakdowns...
2 direct comparisons in front of you showing calorie vs micro count, you should be able to clearly state which is better for you. and short of some minor mental aspect that you could consider, the OJ wipes the table over coke any day
that is exactly my point..
there is just food that your body uses for energy ..combine them in certain ways, for certain goals…
if someone wants to drink a cola to get in their calories for the day then so be it…does not mean that one is better than another...
your still missing the micronutrient point. yes, if you have all micros in for a day then it makes no difference but how often does that ever happen without extreme planning and diligence to a very specific diet
This is interesting, and I wonder if it's the crux of the disagreement, or one of them. You seem to be suggesting that because it is very hard to meet all your micro requirements that it is important to maximize them and choose only nutrient dense foods (and presumably choose very carefully).
I didn't follow the Coke vs. orange juice bit, but I personally would consider orange juice not particularly healthy (not particularly unhealthy either, but I don't drink it, and also don't drink Coke, of course, because to me it is less nutritious and more of a calorie bomb than, say, an orange, with no countervailing virtues). If I loved it, I'd probably feel differently (I like it, but like oranges better and various other fruits still better), but then if I really loved Coke I might think it was important to fit into my diet too (although I can't imagine).
However, I guess if you think life is a constant fight to get in adequate micronutrients you might think juice is really healthy and important and be one of those people who juices rather than eating actual fruits and veggies and all that. (Or maybe not--just going from the comment.)
My thoughts are different. It seems to me that humans are pretty darn resilient in environments where food is far more scarce than here. I mean, just imagining the situation of my ancestors a few generations back who were essentially farming and homesteading in climates like that I now live in, and had far less access to fruits and veggies in the winter seems significant. So on the whole I think that if one makes a reasonable effort to get a good variety of nutrient dense foods, such as vegetables, fruits, etc., as well as a good mix of macros, one probably does not have to worry so much about micros, even if one does have a piece of pie on occasion (which typically is not without micros anyway).
now your pickin up what im droppin, albeit i dont go to a huge extreme to hit every micro thats pretty much my thought process specifically in the terms of healthy vs unhealthy (minus the juicing, im just not a fan of liquid dieting even if it provides a greater micro profile)
i also agree with your last paragraph in that humans are very resilient, however in this day and age where food is plentiful doesnt it make sense to get the most out of every bite?
as for the OJ vs. cola thing, i think it was more of A being healthier than B rather than out of A and B, which is healthy0 -
chivalryder wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
you seem to understand the premise but are stuck on the fact that there is no hard definition of healthy, or clean, or even an empty calorie. these are all relative termschivalryder wrote: »
and OP was never seen againchivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »By definition of my nutrition book since I took a class at my college, healthy foods have more micro nutrients than the so call junk food "empty calories", foods with no micro nutrients, was what it was called in the book.
OK - so if I hit my macros/micors and calorie goals for the day, but I got 500-600 calories from ice cream and cookies is that then not healthy? Because empty calories??? (whatever those are)
This line alone shows just how little you actually know about what you're talking about.
Please feel free to enlighten us.
The point trying to be made is that you can only absorb so many micronutrients. If you eat a majority of nutrient dense food (or at least sufficient amounts), and fill the rest with pizza, chocolate, ice cream, or whatever, how is that bad.
*And keep in mind that this thread is being argued by people who eat a hell of a lot more than 1200 calories a day. It's hard to fit in treats when you only eat a little every day. When your goal is 2000 calories or even 3500 calories, you can easily work in more calorie dense food and still get proper nutrition.
"Empty calories (whatever that is)" was the line I was going at.
The credibility of the original post was lost when the OP admitted she doesn't know what an empty calorie is.
for the record I am a male…
please feel free to explain what an empty calorie is..? I assume a calorie with zero units of energy…?
No. An empty calorie is where you eat or drink a substance that has little to no nutritional value on a micronutrient level.
Take 12 fl oz of Cola vs freshly squeezed Orange Juice for example. The orange juice contains 41mg of calcium, 0.74 mg of iron, 41mg of magnesium, 63mg of phosphorus, 744mg of potassium, 4mg of sodium, 0.19mg of zinc, 186mg of Vitamin C, 0.335mg of Thiamin, 0.112mg of Riboflavin, 1.488mg of Niacin, 0.149mg of Vitamin B-6, 112 ug of Folate, 37ug of Vitamin A, RAE, 744IU of Vitamin A, IU, 0.15mg of Vitamin E, and 0.4 ug of Vitamin K. That's all in 328 total calories.
The Cola, on the other hand, contains 7 mg of Calcium, 0.07 mg of Iron, 41 mg of Phosphorus, 11mg of Potassium, 15mg of Sodium, 0.04 mg of Zinc, and absolutely nothing else. From 12 fl oz, that is basically nothing, for 152 calories. These are called empty calories. Calories you consume that have minimal nutritional significance, beyond the macro level.
I suppose I should add that what I just explained there is a clear cut example of what is a "healthy" food and what is not a "healthy" food.
Now, put that together into a 'diet' and you're not longer talking about what a singular healthy food is. You're talking about a diet. You can eat whatever the heck you want, but what you eat can, and will make a different physiologically. Mentally, if you need to eat the donut, then eat the freaking donut because it would be unhealthy to completely ignore your cravings all the time
no, they are just foods with different calorie content, and micro breakdowns...
2 direct comparisons in front of you showing calorie vs micro count, you should be able to clearly state which is better for you. and short of some minor mental aspect that you could consider, the OJ wipes the table over coke any day
that is exactly my point..
there is just food that your body uses for energy ..combine them in certain ways, for certain goals…
if someone wants to drink a cola to get in their calories for the day then so be it…does not mean that one is better than another...
your still missing the micronutrient point. yes, if you have all micros in for a day then it makes no difference but how often does that ever happen without extreme planning and diligence to an very specific diet
well again, context of diet has to be considered? If you have hit micros and drink the coke then what is the issue?
The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
This.
I am the OP and I said define healthy, but I also said that you have to take into consideration context of overall diet...
at least, I am pretty sure that is what I said..
from my original post:
My premise is that there is no "healthy" or "junk" food, there is just food that your body uses for energy, and that context of diet is what matters. Different combinations of foods will result in different results for each individuals diet.
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What making it at home you mean?? Because you know whats going into it!
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
why would it matter?
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Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
why would it matter?
Just when I thought we were slowing down here...
heh- nope- it's lunch break folks- let's get it fired up in here.
Very curious as to purchased bread with the same ingredients as someone who makes bread at home is inherently worse.
I mean- I think carbs are the debil- so I don't eat either anyway- you know- child of the 2000's- carbs made me fat.
(Just kidding for all of you who don't know me)0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »
I agree with this and I try to do the same. When I go to the store I pretty much perimeter shop and only go down other aisles if I need certain things -- coffee, tea, olive oil etc.
What I consider "unhealthy" someone else might not and vice versa.
I'm just blown away by the amount of people who actually care.
That's pretty much how I do it too.
And I am surprised by how many people care! I just signed up to mfp, and want to learn more about nutrition and whatnot, it's interesting to me. But then this thread is insane and I'm wondering if I'm in over my head here lol. It's fun to read though, like a car crash
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Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
why would it matter?
Just when I thought we were slowing down here...
heh- nope- it's lunch break folks- let's get it fired up in here.
Very curious as to purchased bread with the same ingredients as someone who makes bread at home is inherently worse.
I mean- I think carbs are the debil- so I don't eat either anyway- you know- child of the 2000's- carbs made me fat.
(Just kidding for all of you who don't know me)
I had a carb once. I almost died.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
Really depends on the bread you're buying.
EX: Ezekiel Sprouted Bread ingredients: Organic Sprouted Wheat, Filtered Water, Organic Sprouted Barley, Organic Sprouted Millet, Organic Malted Barley, Organic Sprouted Lentils, Organic Sprouted Soybeans, Organic Sprouted Spelt, Fresh Yeast, Organic Wheat Gluten, Sea Salt.
So . . .how are those ingredients bad?
There are a lot of breads out there that don't have the ingredients you listed.
These breads still have all the other added ingredients!! A massive process goes into it!!0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »
I agree with this and I try to do the same. When I go to the store I pretty much perimeter shop and only go down other aisles if I need certain things -- coffee, tea, olive oil etc.
What I consider "unhealthy" someone else might not and vice versa.
I'm just blown away by the amount of people who actually care.
That's pretty much how I do it too.
And I am surprised by how many people care! I just signed up to mfp, and want to learn more about nutrition and whatnot, it's interesting to me. But then this thread is insane and I'm wondering if I'm in over my head here lol. It's fun to read though, like a car crash
This thread took a pretty negative tone early on. And I'm not one to usually say that. Car crash, indeed. LOL.
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goddessofawesome wrote: »Proven Fact:soda cause kidney problems and other health issues so how can anyone say that they are healthy while consuming carbonate drinks which comes from Co2? Poison to your body. LOL
LOL Really?
"In the human body, an atom of Carbon is attached to an O2 atom via osmosis in the lungs, as a way to eliminate a waste product. Humans exhale Co2 by the bucket, as do all animals on the planet which breathe air. After which, in a beautifully balanced dance of chemical interactions, trees and other plants take in the Co2 molecule then steal the carbon atom to use in their growth, liberating the Oxygen for some needy animal to inhale. Interestingly, as Co2 concentrations rise, plants get greener, more robust and better able to exchange it for O2."
Yes we exhale carbon dioxide because our body is discarding it as does our body discards our waste, as trees and plants may breathe carbon dioxide it is poisonous to humans it's simple chemistry fact, if a human consistently breathes in carbon dioxide the human will die. How do you not know this ? all I stated was that co2 is bad for the human body not the rest of the earth. Lol0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
Really depends on the bread you're buying.
EX: Ezekiel Sprouted Bread ingredients: Organic Sprouted Wheat, Filtered Water, Organic Sprouted Barley, Organic Sprouted Millet, Organic Malted Barley, Organic Sprouted Lentils, Organic Sprouted Soybeans, Organic Sprouted Spelt, Fresh Yeast, Organic Wheat Gluten, Sea Salt.
So . . .how are those ingredients bad?
There are a lot of breads out there that don't have the ingredients you listed.
These breads still have all the other added ingredients!! A massive process goes into it!!
You mean like mixing and baking?
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goddessofawesome wrote: »
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
Really depends on the bread you're buying.
EX: Ezekiel Sprouted Bread ingredients: Organic Sprouted Wheat, Filtered Water, Organic Sprouted Barley, Organic Sprouted Millet, Organic Malted Barley, Organic Sprouted Lentils, Organic Sprouted Soybeans, Organic Sprouted Spelt, Fresh Yeast, Organic Wheat Gluten, Sea Salt.
So . . .how are those ingredients bad?
There are a lot of breads out there that don't have the ingredients you listed.
Well, most of them have gluten and yeast, although of course there are exceptions. ;-) (Most of the bread I'd want to eat has both, though, as I'm not super into unleavened varieties. Some quick breads are tasty, but typically less "healthy" as we seem to be defining it here (although depends).)
I think of the ingredients of basic bread as flour, water, yeast. All else is elective. But some people think flour (and I guess yeast, didn't know about that one before) is unhealthy. Shrug, oh well. That's one of the things that always comes out in these discussions, that even people who feel very strongly that some foods are "healthy" and some are not disagree on which ones are which. It's why you have to first either posit a context or at least discuss criteria for measuring.
(For the record, I do not think bread is unhealthy. I think it can be healthy depending on the context or, better, that it can be an important (or less important, depending) part of a healthy diet.)
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goddessofawesome wrote: »
Yeast, azodicarbonamide, dough conditioner, gluten, bleach and many other things i can not even pronounce!! Different matter if your making it at home but..................Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Lasmartchika wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The issue is that the OP asked about healthy foods yet you are talking about a healthy diet. I get your point, but you are really mixing topics.
Yeah these are two topics all mushed into one... But I'll bite.
1)
Healthy foods: Meats, vegetables, fruits, breads, nuts, dairy.
Junk food: Chips, candy, soda, cookies, donuts, etc.
2)
Now, are they bad? NO. Will I stop eating them? NO. Do I make it fit into my day? HELL YEAH.
That is all. :drinker:
Bread is not healthy in terms of ingredients
How so?
Really depends on the bread you're buying.
EX: Ezekiel Sprouted Bread ingredients: Organic Sprouted Wheat, Filtered Water, Organic Sprouted Barley, Organic Sprouted Millet, Organic Malted Barley, Organic Sprouted Lentils, Organic Sprouted Soybeans, Organic Sprouted Spelt, Fresh Yeast, Organic Wheat Gluten, Sea Salt.
So . . .how are those ingredients bad?
There are a lot of breads out there that don't have the ingredients you listed.
These breads still have all the other added ingredients!! A massive process goes into it!!
And you know this because you work at the bread factory?
And if you make your own bread you're still using yeast and gluten so according to what you say about bread home made is still bad. According to you.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »
I agree with this and I try to do the same. When I go to the store I pretty much perimeter shop and only go down other aisles if I need certain things -- coffee, tea, olive oil etc.
What I consider "unhealthy" someone else might not and vice versa.
I'm just blown away by the amount of people who actually care.
That's pretty much how I do it too.
And I am surprised by how many people care! I just signed up to mfp, and want to learn more about nutrition and whatnot, it's interesting to me. But then this thread is insane and I'm wondering if I'm in over my head here lol. It's fun to read though, like a car crash
This thread took a pretty negative tone early on. And I'm not one to usually say that. Car crash, indeed. LOL.
There are some hot button topics, clean eating, healthy/unhealthy, cleanses, detox, sugar etc. People are passionate, but it is mostly just a vigorous debate. Jump in, the water is fine! Don't take anything personally.
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