Cutting Calories, Exercising, Not losing weight

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  • alysonbriggs22
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    SideSteel wrote: »
    SideSteel wrote: »
    I would take a weigh in daily and then take a rolling 7 day average of your body-weight and look at that trend to determine whether or not any changes are occurring. This will rule out fluctuations that occur day to day and it would allow you to see with a bit more accuracy whether or not anything is happening on the scale.

    Has your weight done ANYTHING in the 4 weeks? Are you exactly the same weight?

    Have you taken measurements over the course of the 4 weeks and have those changed?
    Thanks! I do weigh in everyday, but hadn't thought of averaging it! My weight steadily fluctuates between 128-129, and has done so for four weeks. One day (last week) it went down to 127, and that was two days after I did a re-feed and upped my carbs to 160, lowered my protein to 150, and just kept my fat at 43 like it always is. A few days later I was back up to 129 though. Sometimes I'll even hit 130 again. It just gets frustrating.

    Measurements-wise, I have lost an inch in my hips, but gained half an inch in each of my arms.

    How is your appetite and overall energy levels? How food focused are you currently?

    What was your training program like just before you started this cut, when you were on 1900 calories? I'm interested to hear about the differences in total training volume going from the maintenance phase to the deficit phase.

    Appetite-wise, well, I am ALWAYS excited to eat, but I would not say I fixate on food or anything. When I was doing steady state cardio 45 min./day my energy was EXTREMELY low, but I feel much better now that I've switched to HIIT.
    Before cutting I wasn't really doing cardio and I was lifting 6 days per week. I still lift 6 days per week at the same intensity as before.
  • alysonbriggs22
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    malk2651 wrote: »
    To clarify, you are cutting body fat for competition? How long till the competition? It sounds like diet is spot on. May just need a week or two for your body to shake it out.

    You said you were going to switch to HIIT as a change of pace. That sounds like a good change to shake things up.

    Here are some articles I found on cutting for competition. Maybe they have some tidbits for you.

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek42.htm

    Yes exactly; I am cutting for a bikini competition on March 28th, so I'm currently a little less than 12 weeks out. That Layne Norton article is a great one! I'll take a look at the bb.com one too! Thank you a lot!
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,177 Member
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    You're eating too much. Drop your daily calorie goal to 1200.

    Not very likely based on the reported exercise activity assuming the lack of any mention of eating back exercise calories is correct.

    If you just started HIIT you are probably retaining water. What other measures of progress do you use? Pictures? Body measurements?
  • alysonbriggs22
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    You're eating too much. Drop your daily calorie goal to 1200.

    Not very likely based on the reported exercise activity assuming the lack of any mention of eating back exercise calories is correct.

    If you just started HIIT you are probably retaining water. What other measures of progress do you use? Pictures? Body measurements?

    Yeah, I don't eat back calories burned during exercise. I'm not very consistent with other measures. I have lost an inch around my hips, but I've gained .5 an inch in each of my arms. It's possible that this is muscle.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    I would give it another 1 to 2 weeks but I would also look at average weight as I mentioned earlier. If you still have daily weigh in data I would also go back the previous 4 weeks and calculate that out to see if your average weight is slowly trending downwards.

    Given your size, you're not going to be able to create rapid fat loss so you're just not going to see the scale move at a fast pace. This makes looking at averages even more important because it may point to losses that you don't otherwise notice when looking at daily values.

    Assuming you were actually maintaining on 1900, given that you've dropped to 1600 AND increased activity I'm going to guess that your average weight is slowly moving downwards.

    If you don't see that trend show up in the next one to two weeks I would consider reducing calories a bit, probably by removing another 15-20g CHO. Rinse and repeat.
  • ana3067
    ana3067 Posts: 5,623 Member
    edited January 2015
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    It's possible that this is muscle.

    No it's not.

    your diary entries are almost all fairly generic.
    "Brussels sprouts - Cooked, boiled, drained, without salt, 1 cup", how did you measure this if you're using a food scale? This is a veggie. It even comes with the gram listing. Use it.
    "All Whites - Liquid Egg Whites, 0.33 cup(s)" same issue.
    "Ground Turkey Raw (99% Fat Free) - All Brands, 2 oz " All brands? Are you sure? HOw do you know the macros match up?
    " Raw - Almond, 1 Kernel, 10 kernel " wtf does that even mean? nuts are calorically dense. Weigh them.
    " Fruits - Cherry Tomatoes Raw, 0.25 cup (8 oz) " Just use the actual weight info, not cups.\
    " Bananas - Raw, 0.5 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) " You have absolutely no idea if your banana is medium. And even if it is the weight differs for each. Weigh your banana.
    " Fresh Picked - Green Beans, Raw, 1 cup (100 g) " cup.
    " Della - Cooked Brown Basmati Rice- Organic, 0.5 cup cooked " Is this a prepackaged rice dish? Most of these things have info for their uncooked state. Either way, it's still cups.
    " Chicken Breast Ni - Raw Boneless, Skinless, 4 oz " This is not the USDA/official entry.
    " Small Sweet Potato - Sweet Potato - Microwaved, 3 oz(s) " Is this 3oz raw? Microwaved? Cooked but cold before reheating? Cooked and then reheated? Use specific entries.

    So you very well could be eating more than you think. Coupled with water weight from exercising, you very well could be eating closer to maintenance than you realize. considering you think that at a deficit or maintenance you'd be gaining muscle mass, I feel you may want to start properly educating yourself on how this all works before entering into a contest.

    And at basically 130lbs your protein is ridiculously high. I doubt you'd need to go above 150 at the very highest. I only eat about 1.25x my estimated lean body mass, or 95% of my total weight (I've tried 0.82x my total weight a few times now and the higher protein intake works better for me; still no need to eat above my total weight) I have 30lbs on you and I eat less protein while I am in the midst of my first cut. YOu might want to eat more carbs right now to help fuel your workouts and worry about lowering them closer to the competition itself to help with water weight loss.

    I'm also just gonna say that your diet looks super boring. WHy are you eating the same things every day, and basically following a bro diet? Where did you formulate your cutting plan from and how out-dated is this source? I'm going to guess that you might be eating too much salt too, leading to more water retention, based solely on seeing hte salsa and wraps and packaged rice. These could all be pretty salty.

  • scorpionadvies
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    The scale is not showing any loss of weight ?

    your body and mine are burning body fat and replacing it by muscles.

    Muscles are more in weight then fat.

    Watch for all the other important changes as a reliable reference.

    Strong advice NOT to decrease your kcal input.
    otherwise the risk of health problems are becomin bigger and bigger and you end up as a guest in the Dr. Phil show.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    The scale is not showing any loss of weight ?

    your body and mine are burning body fat and replacing it by muscles.

    Muscles are more in weight then fat.

    Watch for all the other important changes as a reliable reference.

    Strong advice NOT to decrease your kcal input.
    otherwise the risk of health problems are becomin bigger and bigger and you end up as a guest in the Dr. Phil show.

    Very unlikely that a lean female on high amounts of activity is building any appreciable amount of muscle without excess calories.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    ana3067 wrote: »
    It's possible that this is muscle.

    No it's not.

    your diary entries are almost all fairly generic.
    "Brussels sprouts - Cooked, boiled, drained, without salt, 1 cup", how did you measure this if you're using a food scale? This is a veggie. It even comes with the gram listing. Use it.
    "All Whites - Liquid Egg Whites, 0.33 cup(s)" same issue.
    "Ground Turkey Raw (99% Fat Free) - All Brands, 2 oz " All brands? Are you sure? HOw do you know the macros match up?
    " Raw - Almond, 1 Kernel, 10 kernel " wtf does that even mean? nuts are calorically dense. Weigh them.
    " Fruits - Cherry Tomatoes Raw, 0.25 cup (8 oz) " Just use the actual weight info, not cups.\
    " Bananas - Raw, 0.5 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) " You have absolutely no idea if your banana is medium. And even if it is the weight differs for each. Weigh your banana.
    " Fresh Picked - Green Beans, Raw, 1 cup (100 g) " cup.
    " Della - Cooked Brown Basmati Rice- Organic, 0.5 cup cooked " Is this a prepackaged rice dish? Most of these things have info for their uncooked state. Either way, it's still cups.
    " Chicken Breast Ni - Raw Boneless, Skinless, 4 oz " This is not the USDA/official entry.
    " Small Sweet Potato - Sweet Potato - Microwaved, 3 oz(s) " Is this 3oz raw? Microwaved? Cooked but cold before reheating? Cooked and then reheated? Use specific entries.

    So you very well could be eating more than you think. Coupled with water weight from exercising, you very well could be eating closer to maintenance than you realize. considering you think that at a deficit or maintenance you'd be gaining muscle mass, I feel you may want to start properly educating yourself on how this all works before entering into a contest.

    And at basically 130lbs your protein is ridiculously high. I doubt you'd need to go above 150 at the very highest. I only eat about 1.25x my estimated lean body mass, or 95% of my total weight (I've tried 0.82x my total weight a few times now and the higher protein intake works better for me; still no need to eat above my total weight) I have 30lbs on you and I eat less protein while I am in the midst of my first cut. YOu might want to eat more carbs right now to help fuel your workouts and worry about lowering them closer to the competition itself to help with water weight loss.

    I'm also just gonna say that your diet looks super boring. WHy are you eating the same things every day, and basically following a bro diet? Where did you formulate your cutting plan from and how out-dated is this source? I'm going to guess that you might be eating too much salt too, leading to more water retention, based solely on seeing hte salsa and wraps and packaged rice. These could all be pretty salty.

    ^ Good post.
  • alysonbriggs22
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    ana3067 wrote: »
    It's possible that this is muscle.

    No it's not.

    your diary entries are almost all fairly generic.
    "Brussels sprouts - Cooked, boiled, drained, without salt, 1 cup", how did you measure this if you're using a food scale? This is a veggie. It even comes with the gram listing. Use it.
    "All Whites - Liquid Egg Whites, 0.33 cup(s)" same issue.
    "Ground Turkey Raw (99% Fat Free) - All Brands, 2 oz " All brands? Are you sure? HOw do you know the macros match up?
    " Raw - Almond, 1 Kernel, 10 kernel " wtf does that even mean? nuts are calorically dense. Weigh them.
    " Fruits - Cherry Tomatoes Raw, 0.25 cup (8 oz) " Just use the actual weight info, not cups.\
    " Bananas - Raw, 0.5 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) " You have absolutely no idea if your banana is medium. And even if it is the weight differs for each. Weigh your banana.
    " Fresh Picked - Green Beans, Raw, 1 cup (100 g) " cup.
    " Della - Cooked Brown Basmati Rice- Organic, 0.5 cup cooked " Is this a prepackaged rice dish? Most of these things have info for their uncooked state. Either way, it's still cups.
    " Chicken Breast Ni - Raw Boneless, Skinless, 4 oz " This is not the USDA/official entry.
    " Small Sweet Potato - Sweet Potato - Microwaved, 3 oz(s) " Is this 3oz raw? Microwaved? Cooked but cold before reheating? Cooked and then reheated? Use specific entries.

    So you very well could be eating more than you think. Coupled with water weight from exercising, you very well could be eating closer to maintenance than you realize. considering you think that at a deficit or maintenance you'd be gaining muscle mass, I feel you may want to start properly educating yourself on how this all works before entering into a contest.

    And at basically 130lbs your protein is ridiculously high. I doubt you'd need to go above 150 at the very highest. I only eat about 1.25x my estimated lean body mass, or 95% of my total weight (I've tried 0.82x my total weight a few times now and the higher protein intake works better for me; still no need to eat above my total weight) I have 30lbs on you and I eat less protein while I am in the midst of my first cut. YOu might want to eat more carbs right now to help fuel your workouts and worry about lowering them closer to the competition itself to help with water weight loss.

    I'm also just gonna say that your diet looks super boring. WHy are you eating the same things every day, and basically following a bro diet? Where did you formulate your cutting plan from and how out-dated is this source? I'm going to guess that you might be eating too much salt too, leading to more water retention, based solely on seeing hte salsa and wraps and packaged rice. These could all be pretty salty.

    I appreciate that you're trying to help, but I kind of feel like you're attacking me lol. Anyway, in response:
    Yeah, I use cups pretty exclusively for my veggies. I don't think that's a HUGE crime, especially since the frozen ones always give calories per cup, but if the consensus on here is to use the scale for them as well, maybe I'll give it a try. Egg whites same deal, because they're from a carton and that's how the calories are given on the carton: per cup. But thanks, I'll try grams. Additionally, I have been extremely careful about adding salt to my food, and my rice is not pre-packaged.

    Furthermore, perhaps to you my diet is boring, but I love everything that I eat and I mean that quite sincerely. I founded my cutting regime off of principles given by Kim Oddo, who is generally regarded as being really knowledgeable in the sport of bodybuilding.
  • Dnarules
    Dnarules Posts: 2,081 Member
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    queenliz99 wrote: »
    How is it that your chicken always weighs in at 4 ounces? When I measure chicken it is never the same. Do you trim it each time to get to 4 ounces?

    I do this all the time. I cut things to make it what I want.
  • dominicgamutan
    dominicgamutan Posts: 42 Member
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    Did you consider perhaps you are gaining muscle mass?
  • alysonbriggs22
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    Also, just want to clarify that I am not saying it's possible to build muscle while in a caloric deficit. I mentioned that the increased size in my arms "could be muscle" simply because I'm REALLY bad at consistently taking measurements and the increased size of my arms *could have possibly occurred prior to my initiating my cut and not SINCE I BEGAN my cut, if that is clear. That and my biceps just look gigantic compared to how they looked a month ago. Just sayin'.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,150 Member
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    Are you weighing and measuring your food?
  • MysticRealm
    MysticRealm Posts: 1,264 Member
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    I appreciate that you're trying to help, but I kind of feel like you're attacking me lol. Anyway, in response:
    Yeah, I use cups pretty exclusively for my veggies. I don't think that's a HUGE crime, especially since the frozen ones always give calories per cup, but if the consensus on here is to use the scale for them as well, maybe I'll give it a try. Egg whites same deal, because they're from a carton and that's how the calories are given on the carton: per cup. But thanks, I'll try grams. Additionally, I have been extremely careful about adding salt to my food, and my rice is not pre-packaged.

    Furthermore, perhaps to you my diet is boring, but I love everything that I eat and I mean that quite sincerely. I founded my cutting regime off of principles given by Kim Oddo, who is generally regarded as being really knowledgeable in the sport of bodybuilding.

    Often you will find that when they say 'per cup' or 'per tbsp' or such things, that when you actually measure the grams on a scale, it's usually LESS than a cup or tbsp, etc. Or when it says 30 chips are 250 calories, if you weigh it instead you find that it's closer to 25 chips. That's why it's really important to weight things.
  • myfitnesspal654
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    Hello,

    It appears as though I have hit some kind of plateau. I have been cutting my calories (for about 4 weeks now) down to around 1520-1530/day. My protein is at 170 grams, my carbs are at 120-127, and my fat is generally at about 43. I am not losing any weight. In addition to this, I exercise twice per day 6 days per week. In the morning I strength train and in the afternoon I do cardio. I was just doing steady state but am switching to HIIT this week to see if that makes any difference. Last week I did a refeed day and dropped 3 pounds, but the weight just came right back up again a few days after that. Any help for pushing through this??

    You have cut your calories so you are doing the right thing. Switching from steady to cardio to HIIT won't work that well because you will be taking in a different amount of oxygen. What I recommend is to do HIIT every other day but to do other cardio every single day, maybe take one day off.

    So an example would be

    Sunday- Off (do a different kind of exercise like mall walking or golf)
    Monday- 120 minutes of steady cardio, 45 minutes of weights
    Tuesday- 30 min of moderate cardio, 30 min HIIT
    Wednesday- 120 minutes of steady cardio, 45 minutes of weights
    Wednesday-30 minute HIIT, 90 min steady cardio
    Thursday- 60 min moderate cardio, 45 minutes of weights

    Friday- 30 minute HIIT, 90 min steady cardio
    Saturday- 120 minute steady cardio

    Too much bro science asking someone to spend 3+ hours a day in the gym?
    Seems like OP is just taking guessing and eye balling calories. As many others have suggested looks like weighing everything should do the trick
  • 3proud
    3proud Posts: 21 Member
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    Have you considered 5:2 diet? Eat at maintenance for 5 days and cut to 500 calls on 2 days? Maybe even make the 2 days cal days rest days? I would even consider an IF window (16:8) and eating TDEE calories without exercise factored in (and don't eat exercise calories back).
  • 3proud
    3proud Posts: 21 Member
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    FWIW, I think you are doing too much cardio.
  • afitmama
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    You're eating too much. Drop your daily calorie goal to 1200.
    ^^ don't listen to this!! noone needs to eat THAT little unless you're very petite and very sedentary!